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sr. member
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November 30, 2014, 08:33:44 AM

More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit

How many people would be interested in another S1 upgrade kit batch?

I want some, if the price is right.
member
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November 30, 2014, 05:05:32 AM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit

How many people would be interested in another S1 upgrade kit batch?

I'd like 10 or 20 upgrade kits
legendary
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Technical Analyst/Trader
November 30, 2014, 03:59:00 AM
HELP

Just received my Antminer S4 and having a difficult time setting it up.  When turning the machine on it whirls at full speed/noise, but never settles down.  The LCD screen is bright but never displays any text.  Anyone know what the issue is?

This occurs whether directly plugged into my computer, or plugged into a Netgear N300 wifi to Ethernet adapter.  I unscrewed the lid, and all of the cables appear to be plugged in properly.


Popped the SD Card out, and then pushed it back in.  Miner worked!  Stable after adding CK's cgminer mod.  Running 1.82GH at (hopefully) 1060W as suggested on BtcGuild.  Thanks for the help on this thread!

Congrats.  The shipping gods have not been kind to S4s, although all three of mine worked out of the box.  One had a bit of scratched paint.

Mind posting the Freq. and Voltage your using and/or a link to the article you read?

Cassey

Okay I may grab one or two  of these.  I am interested in under clocked results.   

so is anyone running freq 187.5  with 0.685 volts?       if so what do you  get for hash rate watts/ power numbers and fan speeds?


better yet has anyone done freq 175 with 0.670 volts?  if so what do you get for hashrate watts used and fan speed?

TIA

philipma1957

Ask and yea shall receive (at least sometimes!):  http://puu.sh/d3BqI/ad9aaf7d23.png - 187.5 at 0.685V.
sr. member
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Better to have 100 friends than 100 rubles
November 30, 2014, 12:53:41 AM
HELP

Just received my Antminer S4 and having a difficult time setting it up.  When turning the machine on it whirls at full speed/noise, but never settles down.  The LCD screen is bright but never displays any text.  Anyone know what the issue is?

This occurs whether directly plugged into my computer, or plugged into a Netgear N300 wifi to Ethernet adapter.  I unscrewed the lid, and all of the cables appear to be plugged in properly.


Popped the SD Card out, and then pushed it back in.  Miner worked!  Stable after adding CK's cgminer mod.  Running 1.82GH at (hopefully) 1060W as suggested on BtcGuild.  Thanks for the help on this thread!

Congrats.  The shipping gods have not been kind to S4s, although all three of mine worked out of the box.  One had a bit of scratched paint.

Mind posting the Freq. and Voltage your using and/or a link to the article you read?

Cassey
newbie
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November 29, 2014, 11:05:15 PM
HELP

Just received my Antminer S4 and having a difficult time setting it up.  When turning the machine on it whirls at full speed/noise, but never settles down.  The LCD screen is bright but never displays any text.  Anyone know what the issue is?

This occurs whether directly plugged into my computer, or plugged into a Netgear N300 wifi to Ethernet adapter.  I unscrewed the lid, and all of the cables appear to be plugged in properly.


Popped the SD Card out, and then pushed it back in.  Miner worked!  Stable after adding CK's cgminer mod.  Running 1.82GH at (hopefully) 1060W as suggested on BtcGuild.  Thanks for the help on this thread!
hero member
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gotta let a coin be a coin
November 29, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit

How many people would be interested in another S1 upgrade kit batch?

I would love to see some again!

Those were a lot of fun. I'd be interested as well.
hero member
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November 29, 2014, 10:16:18 PM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit

How many people would be interested in another S1 upgrade kit batch?

I would love to see some again!
legendary
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Merit: 1006
November 29, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
Do I think they are great investments no I don't.
But they may make money.

I agree with "may" only because probability is not zero.
hero member
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November 29, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
do they have special cables and connectors Huh
legendary
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November 29, 2014, 07:36:40 PM

I get buy 3 s-4's with a coupon for 2762   if I down clock to 1800gh they burn 1100 watts so 5400 = 3300 watts  this is .611 watts a gh


I'd like to see it. My first S4 worked for a long time with EVGA SUPERNOVA G2 1300W at frequency 181.25M and only 1630GH/s with 1180W
You can never from S4  .611 watts a gh

The second   S4 is  even more power hungry , at frequency 181.25M   1240W and 1800 GH/s
The second S4  PSU is  without a PCI-E cables.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
November 29, 2014, 06:53:27 PM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit

How many people would be interested in another S1 upgrade kit batch?
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
November 29, 2014, 06:38:30 PM

I've been running some numbers, one thing I see is that the SP-20 vs. the S4 is an under volt advantage that gains you money at the wall in favor of SP.. I may be wrong, but if they come out with new tech ANY batchs of the S4 won't even come close to ROI.. I bought some of the FIRST S4s to ship, and they are no where close to ROI . Even with the coupon, I can't pull the trigger when my first several S4's are so far under water. It takes me almost 15 days of mining to cover electricity cost alone. Anything after 15 days goes to the under water s4's .. This late in the game on the 28nm tech I can't find a reason to grab more. Anyone else have thoughts on how to make the s4 more profitable ?

With a coupon I can get 4 S4s for 3358 to my door. My calculations put me at Mid-February before i am losing money every day. All told I will spend $3358 and make about $1500 in revenue. So I lose $1800.

How is anyone buying these and making this work. Even with free power and difficulty increasing at 10% I don't break even until June of next year.

I would love to get into mining, but I cannot see how mining can make any sense to anyone anywhere unless you get the hardware for half what is the current going rate per mhs and free power.
1) https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty     difficulty is slowing, and its unlikely there will be any 10%+ increases until a dramatic price rise occurs - though next week may see a big jump due to the black friday deals by SPTech and Bitmain.
2) most people mining assume the bitcoin price will rise such that profitability is extended
3) you can underclock/undervolt to 0.5w/GH to extend the lifespan

If you look at your calculations you basically assume it wont be profitable past june because you are assuming the price of bitcoin is still only $375 at that time, when (i personally believe) a price of $800+ is likely. If it isnt, you can expect the influx of new equipment to grind even further to a halt as all 1w/gh+ equipment is turned off.


I don't understand the price must rise to justify mining logic. I can spend 9 BTC on miners now, I don't care about the price in the future, i want my 9 BTC back. I will never get there with any calculation I come up with.

Anyone that is justifying buying a miner with a rising price, I suggest that you simply buy Bitcoin with your money rather than a stupid miner.

I would not be surprised to see a drop in hashrate and difficulty in the coming months. Which tells me the price is going down... not up.

why not ?  do you pay high power? do you pay vat?  

I get buy 3 s-4's with a coupon for 2762   if I down clock to 1800gh they burn 1100 watts so 5400 = 3300 watts  this is .611 watts a gh

at 10 cents a watt and 3% diff jumps they break even in aug (btc stays at 375 usd)

if btc jumps to 400

they break even in June.

Do I think they are great investments no I don't.

But they may make money.

legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
November 29, 2014, 05:41:00 PM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!

you could feasibly use the C1 as a pair of upgrade kits, but its not ideal. Not sure why bitmain isnt selling upgrade kits for ~0.3BTC/kit
member
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November 29, 2014, 05:08:01 PM
More S1 upgrade kits please!!
legendary
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Merit: 1006
November 29, 2014, 04:48:27 PM

I've been running some numbers, one thing I see is that the SP-20 vs. the S4 is an under volt advantage that gains you money at the wall in favor of SP.. I may be wrong, but if they come out with new tech ANY batchs of the S4 won't even come close to ROI.. I bought some of the FIRST S4s to ship, and they are no where close to ROI . Even with the coupon, I can't pull the trigger when my first several S4's are so far under water. It takes me almost 15 days of mining to cover electricity cost alone. Anything after 15 days goes to the under water s4's .. This late in the game on the 28nm tech I can't find a reason to grab more. Anyone else have thoughts on how to make the s4 more profitable ?

With a coupon I can get 4 S4s for 3358 to my door. My calculations put me at Mid-February before i am losing money every day. All told I will spend $3358 and make about $1500 in revenue. So I lose $1800.

How is anyone buying these and making this work. Even with free power and difficulty increasing at 10% I don't break even until June of next year.

I would love to get into mining, but I cannot see how mining can make any sense to anyone anywhere unless you get the hardware for half what is the current going rate per mhs and free power.
1) https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty     difficulty is slowing, and its unlikely there will be any 10%+ increases until a dramatic price rise occurs - though next week may see a big jump due to the black friday deals by SPTech and Bitmain.
2) most people mining assume the bitcoin price will rise such that profitability is extended
3) you can underclock/undervolt to 0.5w/GH to extend the lifespan

If you look at your calculations you basically assume it wont be profitable past june because you are assuming the price of bitcoin is still only $375 at that time, when (i personally believe) a price of $800+ is likely. If it isnt, you can expect the influx of new equipment to grind even further to a halt as all 1w/gh+ equipment is turned off.


I don't understand the price must rise to justify mining logic. I can spend 9 BTC on miners now, I don't care about the price in the future, i want my 9 BTC back. I will never get there with any calculation I come up with.

Anyone that is justifying buying a miner with a rising price, I suggest that you simply buy Bitcoin with your money rather than a stupid miner.

I would not be surprised to see a drop in hashrate and difficulty in the coming months. Which tells me the price is going down... not up.
sr. member
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November 29, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
Looks like S4 is going EOL. Black friday deal posted on Saturday.
See bitmain sales announcement at the head (first post): 16 antminer S4 for ~13K with free shipping or ~$812 for 2Th.
Great price, but I have no use for 16 machines...
One machine is still ~$960 to US (with coupon that is expiring early tomorrow).


Exactly, coupon expires tomorrow, then free shipping on Dec 2. Marketing at it's best.

wait i want to make sure i understand this clearly?

So they are running coupon and after that expires they are moving into free shipping?

Are the Psu's still going up in flames?
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
November 29, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
1) https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty     difficulty is slowing, and its unlikely there will be any 10%+ increases until a dramatic price rise occurs - though next week may see a big jump due to the black friday deals by SPTech and Bitmain.
2) most people mining assume the bitcoin price will rise such that profitability is extended
3) you can underclock/undervolt to 0.5w/GH to extend the lifespan

If you look at your calculations you basically assume it wont be profitable past june because you are assuming the price of bitcoin is still only $375 at that time, when (i personally believe) a price of $800+ is likely. If it isnt, you can expect the influx of new equipment to grind even further to a halt as all 1w/gh+ equipment is turned off.


You can not  underclock/undervolt Antminer S4   to 0.5w/GH
explain?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/antminer-s4-discussion-and-support-thread-796839 clearly states that 500W/1000GH is the underclocking limit of the S4
member
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November 29, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
Looks like S4 is going EOL. Black friday deal posted on Saturday.
See bitmain sales announcement at the head (first post): 16 antminer S4 for ~13K with free shipping or ~$812 for 2Th.
Great price, but I have no use for 16 machines...
One machine is still ~$960 to US (with coupon that is expiring early tomorrow).


Exactly, coupon expires tomorrow, then free shipping on Dec 2. Marketing at it's best.
member
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November 29, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
>30% off Black Friday Deals

Special Sales for ANTMINER S4, 0.409USD/GH/s, FREE International Shipping. Shipping on Dec. 2nd


  BITMAIN - Please do not lie any more

This  is only free shipping , if you buy at one time 16 Antminer S4

You can use one 400 USD coupon per purchase 16 Antminer S4. One Antminer S4 price is 793 USD . It is not >30% off. This is  only free shipping.


Agreed, I too was trying to do the math for when the coupons expire and the Free Shipping on the 2nd Dec.
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