ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread - page 81.

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Quote from: dlowings on November 28, 2014, 11:44:39 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on November 28, 2014, 08:05:54 PM

Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

Those amazing deals aren't that much better - if at all - than an S4 with a coupon. Am I missing something here?

I've been running some numbers, one thing I see is that the SP-20 vs. the S4 is an under volt advantage that gains you money at the wall in favor of SP.. I may be wrong, but if they come out with new tech ANY batchs of the S4 won't even come close to ROI.. I bought some of the FIRST S4s to ship, and they are no where close to ROI . Even with the coupon, I can't pull the trigger when my first several S4's are so far under water. It takes me almost 15 days of mining to cover electricity cost alone. Anything after 15 days goes to the under water s4's .. This late in the game on the 28nm tech I can't find a reason to grab more. Anyone else have thoughts on how to make the s4 more profitable ?

Sell now to recoup what you can. Best option. That is what I did with my SP30s.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 28, 2014, 08:05:54 PM

Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

Those amazing deals aren't that much better - if at all - than an S4 with a coupon. Am I missing something here?

I've been running some numbers, one thing I see is that the SP-20 vs. the S4 is an under volt advantage that gains you money at the wall in favor of SP.. I may be wrong, but if they come out with new tech ANY batchs of the S4 won't even come close to ROI.. I bought some of the FIRST S4s to ship, and they are no where close to ROI . Even with the coupon, I can't pull the trigger when my first several S4's are so far under water. It takes me almost 15 days of mining to cover electricity cost alone. Anything after 15 days goes to the under water s4's .. This late in the game on the 28nm tech I can't find a reason to grab more. Anyone else have thoughts on how to make the s4 more profitable ?

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Quote from: Cyper_BLC on November 28, 2014, 11:29:12 PM

anyone know how can i change cgminer executable?

/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh stop
wget http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s4/4.6.1-141018/cgminer
mv /usr/bin/cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer.bak
chmod +x cgminer
mv cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer
/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh restart

this is not working
i change 10 times but when S4 restarted, old one comes again. i cant place new cgminer in S4 Huh

?

I wish I knew how to make the change permanent. Hopefully someone can chime in.

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anyone know how can i change cgminer executable?

/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh stop
wget http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s4/4.6.1-141018/cgminer
mv /usr/bin/cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer.bak
chmod +x cgminer
mv cgminer /usr/bin/cgminer
/etc/init.d/cgminer.sh restart

this is not working
i change 10 times but when S4 restarted, old one comes again. i cant place new cgminer in S4 Huh

?

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Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

Those amazing deals aren't that much better - if at all - than an S4 with a coupon. Am I missing something here?

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Any way around dead screen?

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Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 03:33:26 PM

Quote from: dmwardjr on November 28, 2014, 11:12:44 AM

Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

So the reset switch is only for reset to default settings ? I thought it was for hard reset like PC and also for restore to def.

If we manually change the voltage, frequency, etc... from factory defaults to something else; we have to manually change them back to defaults if we want to go back to defaults without doing a "hard reset" as you say.

I do not know of another way to restore settings back to defaults with one touch of a button or one click of the mouse. If you find out, let me know.

EDIT: The only thing I know that can reset BUT WILL RESET EVERYTHING is the reset button inside the hole to the left of the LCD screen. This may be what you are calling a "Hard Reset."

2nd EDIT: As for reseting something we have changed [frequency, voltage, etc...] back to defaults without a "hard reset," I do not know of a way to do that. I believe we have to "manually" change those things back to defaults the same way we "manually" changed them from default to something else; IF we do not want to do a hard reset.

I dont know if you read my previous posts. The point for asking is that i want to make arduino board that will remotely tell the miners to turn off completely or reset, or reset to default settings. As i know we have only remote access to the web GUI only if you have pc in lan next to them. So what if the miner stuck, you lost control over him? Here comes the arduino that will trigger remotely the power switch or the reset switch. Combined with raspberry pi, you will have complete access over the miners

yes you are loosing your control if you do reset with reset switch remotely. s4 becomes default dhcp (you dont know ip), default bitmain pool configs and also default 200Mhz 0720 Volt ASIC config etc.. But if you can edit /usr/bin/factory_config_reset.sh file then your reset operation will comes your config Wink

i done this.

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Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 01:10:07 PM

Quote from: dlowings on November 28, 2014, 12:53:03 PM

Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

What new tech are you speaking of ? Are you trying to pump interest into sub 28nm tech ? or are you talking about repackaged 28nm chips ? I would like to see REAL proof that something sub 28nm is even at the foundry yet . I'm going to warn people about jumping on pre-order pumping anything sub 28nm .. If you look at the track record of pre order stuff it NEVER ends well … Even when it does make it to market it is often so late that you will never dig yourself out of the hole for putting up SOOOOO much money upfront for late delivers in hopes to get a jump on the difficulty increase … Because most chip producers are now heavily invested in their own cloud solutions by the time you get your product you will be getting the table scraps of any possible profit from the new tech … I'm all for mining but VERY anti cloud, and anti pre orders .

100% agree with NOT pre-ordering anything!

The announcements for the new tech have been leaked by competitors (trustworthy) for the past couple of months. The tape-outs for first batch started this month. Assembly etc, next month into Jan. Announcements will therefore follow shortly. However, I will say, the SP20's ability to be turned down to 0.6J/GH at the wall, down to as low as 0.5 for some with no physical modifications make it a longer lasting product at this stage that we find ourselves as at with the current tech. Personally I believe bitmain made mistakes with developing the U3 and the C1. Waste of time and resources.

" The announcements for the new tech have been leaked by competitors (trustworthy) for the past couple of months. "

leaked is marketing for pre-orders … they need the pre order money to pay the foundry .. I don't thing we will see the new stuff for a while, even if it were on the near horizon don't you think we would see news for pre orders ? last round of pre orders to the new 28 nm chips was almost 6 months ahead of any release … and even then it was late … the math don't add up.

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Quote from: dmwardjr on November 28, 2014, 11:12:44 AM

Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

So the reset switch is only for reset to default settings ? I thought it was for hard reset like PC and also for restore to def.

If we manually change the voltage, frequency, etc... from factory defaults to something else; we have to manually change them back to defaults if we want to go back to defaults without doing a "hard reset" as you say.

I do not know of another way to restore settings back to defaults with one touch of a button or one click of the mouse. If you find out, let me know.

EDIT: The only thing I know that can reset BUT WILL RESET EVERYTHING is the reset button inside the hole to the left of the LCD screen. This may be what you are calling a "Hard Reset."

2nd EDIT: As for reseting something we have changed [frequency, voltage, etc...] back to defaults without a "hard reset," I do not know of a way to do that. I believe we have to "manually" change those things back to defaults the same way we "manually" changed them from default to something else; IF we do not want to do a hard reset.

I dont know if you read my previous posts. The point for asking is that i want to make arduino board that will remotely tell the miners to turn off completely or reset, or reset to default settings. As i know we have only remote access to the web GUI only if you have pc in lan next to them. So what if the miner stuck, you lost control over him? Here comes the arduino that will trigger remotely the power switch or the reset switch. Combined with raspberry pi, you will have complete access over the miners

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Quote from: dlowings on November 28, 2014, 12:53:03 PM

Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

What new tech are you speaking of ? Are you trying to pump interest into sub 28nm tech ? or are you talking about repackaged 28nm chips ? I would like to see REAL proof that something sub 28nm is even at the foundry yet . I'm going to warn people about jumping on pre-order pumping anything sub 28nm .. If you look at the track record of pre order stuff it NEVER ends well … Even when it does make it to market it is often so late that you will never dig yourself out of the hole for putting up SOOOOO much money upfront for late delivers in hopes to get a jump on the difficulty increase … Because most chip producers are now heavily invested in their own cloud solutions by the time you get your product you will be getting the table scraps of any possible profit from the new tech … I'm all for mining but VERY anti cloud, and anti pre orders .

100% agree with NOT pre-ordering anything!

The announcements for the new tech have been leaked by competitors (trustworthy) for the past couple of months. The tape-outs for first batch started this month. Assembly etc, next month into Jan. Announcements will therefore follow shortly. However, I will say, the SP20's ability to be turned down to 0.6J/GH at the wall, down to as low as 0.5 for some with no physical modifications make it a longer lasting product at this stage that we find ourselves as at with the current tech. Personally I believe bitmain made mistakes with developing the U3 and the C1. Waste of time and resources.

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Quote from: pak13 on November 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

What new tech are you speaking of ? Are you trying to pump interest into sub 28nm tech ? or are you talking about repackaged 28nm chips ? I would like to see REAL proof that something sub 28nm is even at the foundry yet . I'm going to warn people about jumping on pre-order pumping anything sub 28nm .. If you look at the track record of pre order stuff it NEVER ends well … Even when it does make it to market it is often so late that you will never dig yourself out of the hole for putting up SOOOOO much money upfront for late delivers in hopes to get a jump on the difficulty increase … Because most chip producers are now heavily invested in their own cloud solutions by the time you get your product you will be getting the table scraps of any possible profit from the new tech … I'm all for mining but VERY anti cloud, and anti pre orders .

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Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

spondoolies is offering some amazing cyber monday deals. Naturally all before new tech is announced shortly.

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Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 12:06:56 PM

Quote from: Biodom on November 28, 2014, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

My guess-they will have something on Cyber Monday (after all coupons expire), but I would have hurried up a bit-there is a lot of competition out there right now.
Side note: we have a 50PH jump overnight-somebody either deploying or burning in quite a lot of hashing power.

Heh - so much for negative difficulty.

I think the hash rate jumps up or down about that much almost daily. Looks that way to me.

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Quote from: Biodom on November 28, 2014, 11:58:17 AM

Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

My guess-they will have something on Cyber Monday (after all coupons expire), but I would have hurried up a bit-there is a lot of competition out there right now.
Side note: we have a 50PH jump overnight-somebody either deploying or burning in quite a lot of hashing power.

Heh - so much for negative difficulty.

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Quote from: Prelude on November 28, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

No black friday deals, bitmain?

My guess-they will have something on Cyber Monday (after all coupons expire), but I would have hurried up a bit-there is a lot of competition out there right now.
Side note: we have a 50PH jump overnight-somebody either deploying or burning in quite a lot of hashing power.

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No black friday deals, bitmain?

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Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

So the reset switch is only for reset to default settings ? I thought it was for hard reset like PC and also for restore to def.

If we manually change the voltage, frequency, etc... from factory defaults to something else; we have to manually change them back to defaults if we want to go back to defaults without doing a "hard reset" as you say.

I do not know of another way to restore settings back to defaults with one touch of a button or one click of the mouse. If you find out, let me know.

EDIT: The only thing I know that can reset BUT WILL RESET EVERYTHING is the reset button inside the hole to the left of the LCD screen. This may be what you are calling a "Hard Reset."

2nd EDIT: As for reseting something we have changed [frequency, voltage, etc...] back to defaults without a "hard reset," I do not know of a way to do that. I believe we have to "manually" change those things back to defaults the same way we "manually" changed them from default to something else; IF we do not want to do a hard reset.

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Are we there yet?

Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

So the reset switch is only for reset to default settings ? I thought it was for hard reset like PC and also for restore to def.

No. Reset switch is accessed by using a pin in the hole to reset to factory defaults. Hard reset (like PC) is a button at the back of the case, where you have to press and hold for a few seconds to turn it on or off.

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So the reset switch is only for reset to default settings ? I thought it was for hard reset like PC and also for restore to def.

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Quote from: sEpuLchEr on November 28, 2014, 10:51:01 AM

Quote from: dmwardjr on November 28, 2014, 10:41:24 AM

Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 10:28:43 AM

Thanks Cyper

As i was reading through this topic, people were saying that sometimes you need to turn off and restore to defaults, to get the full speed, probably from main voltage spikes. I have relay board for the arduino, so i want to connect the two wires on C and NO. Is the reset button the same switch for restore to defaults ? And how about the power on/off switch?

Power on/off does what it says.

The reset button [use a paper clip or something similar] will reset to factory defaults.

I think what he was actually asking if it's possible to remote control the on/off button using some circuit board.. I think....

Yes, that too...

Quote from: bittalc1 on November 28, 2014, 03:33:59 AM

Cyper can you please tell me for the reset button connections are they easy accessible, is there a way to solder two wires to that connection? My miners are on the way and i have arduino board here and want to make remote program for remote restart to defaults and remote hard reset and so on...
thanks

That last question, though, had me thinking they wanted to know if the reset button will reset to factory defaults. I could be wrong though.

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