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Topic: Antminers E3 still alive for ETH? - page 2. (Read 2170 times)

newbie
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January 18, 2021, 05:02:36 AM
#64
ETP (Metaverse) is minable with E3s

I was mining ETP (Metaverse) too, but recently I switch to MOAC and so far is making around $4.20 USD per day. Almost $2 more that ETP


which exchange u use for moac coin?
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 1
January 17, 2021, 03:26:50 PM
#63
ETP (Metaverse) is minable with E3s

I was mining ETP (Metaverse) too, but recently I switch to MOAC and so far is making around $4.20 USD per day. Almost $2 more that ETP
full member
Activity: 1275
Merit: 141
January 06, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
#62
Thanks adaseb

Question to all E3 owners
Where and what coin you mining now with Ant E3?
Is zergpool reliable?

Zerg is reliable.
pinpin from there is good people.
They support a lot of algos and mining methods.
You can get paid in coins that you may prefer....ltc is what i take payment in fast and cheap and easy to convert....sure beats waiting much longer to meet minimum btc withdrawl and higher tx fees.  But i think you can get Dash and maybe even Doge.  Much choices...many options Smiley

newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 1
December 22, 2020, 06:43:48 PM
#61
Thanks adaseb

Question to all E3 owners
Where and what coin you mining now with Ant E3?
Is zergpool reliable?
legendary
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December 21, 2020, 10:29:32 PM
#60
Yes I think you are confusing the E3 with an FGPA which is reprogrammable. However the E3 is an ASIC and its hard-coded on the silicon chip and even one slight change cannot be done unless you create a new fabrication chip which costs millions.

This is why many people always ask, what to do with old bitcoin ASICs. People want to "crack" passwords with them because its SHA256 however the way that its coded, you cannot even do that even if there was money to be mad "cracking" password.

Yes ETC forked and changed the algo to prevent ASICS, I don't know why they did this because the extra E3 hashrate on ETC network would provide more hashrate and security. I don't think the E3 posed as a threat. Maybe the devs just don't like Bitmain and their ASICS.
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December 21, 2020, 09:30:55 PM
#59

No they changed the Algo specifically to prevent asics from being able to mine it.  

I agree with you about the Algo, and I think this is the part that I'm missing and confuse
I believe the Algo is managed by the software.
For example, PhoenixMiner 5.2 and older versions can't mine the new ETC algo, but the new ones over 5.3 no problem.
From a hardware point, there should be no difference between GPUs and Ant E3. They both are GPUs.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
By the way, Ant E3 was the most profitable asic miner ever. More than 2 years and a half and still profitable. Is unbelievable. And I'm sure E3 can continue to work fine, but I don't believe bitmain will release new firmware
Hope someone will found a way to patch the software Smiley

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Asics in your bitmain and all others are good for only the specific algos they have been designed and made for.  The miner software in this case is basically feeding the raw data and receveing and conveying the results back to the pool.  In a gpu setup the order and types of operations are coded in the miner software but it relies on the big complex gpu.  So gpus can quickly adapt to any change in algos where asics take a lot of time and money to develop. 
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 1
December 21, 2020, 07:23:48 PM
#58

No they changed the Algo specifically to prevent asics from being able to mine it. 
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I agree with you about the Algo, and I think this is the part that I'm missing and confuse
I believe the Algo is managed by the software.
For example, PhoenixMiner 5.2 and older versions can't mine the new ETC algo, but the new ones over 5.3 no problem.
From a hardware point, there should be no difference between GPUs and Ant E3. They both are GPUs.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
By the way, Ant E3 was the most profitable asic miner ever. More than 2 years and a half and still profitable. Is unbelievable. And I'm sure E3 can continue to work fine, but I don't believe bitmain will release new firmware
Hope someone will found a way to patch the software Smiley
full member
Activity: 1275
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December 21, 2020, 05:39:12 PM
#57
Hello guys,

I believe much more possible will be to make Ant E3 start mining ETC again because the DAG file now is 2.5 GB
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but for me seems to be a software fix. Ant E3 is just a case /box/ with GPUs inside and Linux OS and miner software.
Can we somehow install another mining software like Claymore / Ethminer / PhoenixMiner ?
The original one is a cgminer named bmminer
If Ant E3 can mining ETC again will be great.
I have only one Ant E3 and currently mining ETHO or EGEM coin, but profit is max $3.50 per day
Any ideas or suggestions are very welcome

Thanks,



No they changed the Algo specifically to prevent asics from being able to mine it. 
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 1
December 21, 2020, 03:52:26 PM
#56
Hello guys,

I believe much more possible will be to make Ant E3 start mining ETC again because the DAG file now is 2.5 GB
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but for me seems to be a software fix. Ant E3 is just a case /box/ with GPUs inside and Linux OS and miner software.
Can we somehow install another mining software like Claymore / Ethminer / PhoenixMiner ?
The original one is a cgminer named bmminer
If Ant E3 can mining ETC again will be great.
I have only one Ant E3 and currently mining ETHO or EGEM coin, but profit is max $3.50 per day
Any ideas or suggestions are very welcome

Thanks,

hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 597
December 21, 2020, 02:58:43 AM
#55
yes those are ddr3 chips , there is the Data sheet : https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf/1305324/ESMT/M15T1G1664A/1

maybe this is what we need to replace those chips Smiley : https://www.esmt.com.tw/upload/pdf/ESMT/datasheets/M15F2G16128A(2L).pdf

If anyone can do the software part , i might would be happy to deal with the hardware part Wink , really depend on my free time , but just for try  , why not Wink
legendary
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December 21, 2020, 01:38:25 AM
#54
Looks like there are 32 memory chips per ASIC, so 32*6=192 per blade so 576 memory chips per Antminer E3. Like I assumed before they didn't use memory ram modules but just used the chips. Looks like they are DDR3 SDRAM instead of DDR2 like I thought.

Sure you can easily use a hot air station station to desolder one chip, but not 576. Each chip would take maybe like 2-3 minutes to desolder, then you need to solder the new chip, if its new then you don't need to reball it however if you are taking the chips from actual DDR3 ram you would need to desolder that, then reball the chip, and finally solder it onto the E3. Basically just not worth the hassle. Even with all the free time we got during covid this job wouldn't be worth it. Then you would need to recode the firmware so it recognises the higher density chips. I'd say its officially a doorstop.
hero member
Activity: 1498
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December 21, 2020, 01:26:16 AM
#53
nope ... today was the last day ... around 4.30pm EST all of my working E3 become a door stopper Smiley  Cry Wink Grin
newbie
Activity: 15
Merit: 0
December 20, 2020, 11:44:10 PM
#52
Anyone open up their E3 units? I am assuming that the RAM found inside it is surface mount? Most likely bitmain ordered the DDR2 memory chips instead of actual memory modules.

However if there are interchangeable DDR2 memory modules inside, then maybe its possible to upgrade the ram to a higher capacity. You will need some open source software to be able to rewrite the firmware however. Most likely won't be worth while to resolder any surface mount memory chips. I can imagine that there are probably a few hundred of them in total on the E3.

Each Antminer E3 have 3 Blades , on every blades have 6 BM1790 ASIC chip

https://beszeljukmeg.com/AntminerE3/1.jpg

https://beszeljukmeg.com/AntminerE3/31.jpg

https://beszeljukmeg.com/AntminerE3/4.jpg

https://beszeljukmeg.com/AntminerE3/5.jpg

yours still working?
hero member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 597
December 20, 2020, 02:00:35 PM
#51
Anyone open up their E3 units? I am assuming that the RAM found inside it is surface mount? Most likely bitmain ordered the DDR2 memory chips instead of actual memory modules.

However if there are interchangeable DDR2 memory modules inside, then maybe its possible to upgrade the ram to a higher capacity. You will need some open source software to be able to rewrite the firmware however. Most likely won't be worth while to resolder any surface mount memory chips. I can imagine that there are probably a few hundred of them in total on the E3.

Each Antminer E3 have 3 Blades , on every blades have 6 BM1790 ASIC chip







full member
Activity: 1275
Merit: 141
December 17, 2020, 06:16:27 PM
#50
I suspect just like 570/580's the memory chips can be replaced with higher capacity units.  Would probably need a fix to firmware but maybe not.  Surely somebody will open one up...removing and replacing SMT components is not a big deal....if ya got the gear.
legendary
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December 17, 2020, 05:38:17 PM
#49
Anyone open up their E3 units? I am assuming that the RAM found inside it is surface mount? Most likely bitmain ordered the DDR2 memory chips instead of actual memory modules.

However if there are interchangeable DDR2 memory modules inside, then maybe its possible to upgrade the ram to a higher capacity. You will need some open source software to be able to rewrite the firmware however. Most likely won't be worth while to resolder any surface mount memory chips. I can imagine that there are probably a few hundred of them in total on the E3.
newbie
Activity: 76
Merit: 0
December 17, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
#48
Are the E3 190 MH/s miners also dead, or will be soon?

Mine are all dead now for ETH. If you want to continue mining another coin, you will need to downgrade your firmware as version 5.4.0 and 5.6.0. will not work.
TGJ
jr. member
Activity: 173
Merit: 5
December 17, 2020, 03:23:52 PM
#47
Are the E3 190 MH/s miners also dead, or will be soon?
legendary
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December 17, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
#46
4GB cards still mining ETH right now, will lose around 5-6% hashrate for every new epoch until around mid-late jan when they will be at around 50% of their original speed.

The above is true for Linux, Windows is much worse.. 4GB cards on windows hashrate will be halved around now or in the next week.

No its going to be around 50% of the original speed in about 3 weeks or so. Go to the lolminer thread and there is a benchmark posted. I think unless there is some interest in developement then most will shut off their rigs by the end of the year.

There are lots of 4GB sitting idle since ETC is not profitable that maybe some clever developer like Claymore or Phoenix can find a way to get them hashing again at close to their original mining speed. But who knows if that will happen. Since lol did it, it might be possible.
jr. member
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December 17, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
#45
4GB cards still mining ETH right now, will lose around 5-6% hashrate for every new epoch until around mid-late jan when they will be at around 50% of their original speed.

The above is true for Linux, Windows is much worse.. 4GB cards on windows hashrate will be halved around now or in the next week.
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