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Quote from: mk4 on December 19, 2023, 04:01:34 AM

Centralized exchanges are far more likely to question you about your funds if your coins are mixed. So if you already mixed your coins, probably do a couple of hops from multiple wallet addresses to hopefully bypass their automated flagging software if it doesn't dig deep enough.

Thanks for this tip but wouldn't they still see where it came from and how long it got there towards another address? The scary thing about mixers is that your clean coins will inevitably be tainted by the bad ones which makes it difficult for you to hide that it's gone through that right?

I don't think it's a problem to use a mixer if you're not doing anything illegal though and I want that we have that right to use that services, the only problem with that is you're going to need some explaining to do with why you're using that service and it's a hassle in my opinion.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

I don't think it should be a problem to use a mixer while you are doing nothing bad, but the best practice is to do your own research about the mixer you are going to use. Because, sometimes the mixer you might be using is involving in some kind of illegal case or some words is out from the officials on news or media, Once you read such types of news then the best practice is to avoid using those mixers.

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Will any one come knocking on your door if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

Yeh, it is possible.

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

For this you should read the full post mentioned above in the news section and remains there for long enough, the short story is, old posts will do no harm and the posts made after 1 January may harm your account. And you can talk about Mixers but can not ask people to go look for this mixer or search for this mixer etc.

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Will using mixers be an expensive?

Yes, they have different rates and different features you can find many on this forum easily.

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If you're not engaging in any illegal activities, you should generally have nothing to worry about. Using mixers is not illegal; many use them to enhance privacy or security. It's just that it can be associated with illegal activities like money laundering or other financial crimes. No one should knock on your door simply for using mixers within legal boundaries. However, I thought that posts with the word "mixer" would be filtered starting in January. I need to visit the discussion about this to stay updated.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?
Will any one come knocking on your door if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?
Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?
Will using mixers be an expensive?

Bitcoin mixers are not illegal for the moment. If you use them for illegal purpose then there would issues. You can discuss about mixers, you cannot promote or shill them in the forum. Currently the transaction fees are more expensive than the fees that mixer are charging. I don't think that using mixer would be expensive for anyone who is looking for privacy of their Bitcoin transaction.

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It depends on what you are using mixers for in the first place, many people will say they are using mixers for their own private reasons but those who are using it for illegal activities won't come here and say they are into illegal activities, so when people say they are not bad people I don't take they seriously, no one comes out and say they are bad people, until they are caught in the act.

Mixers are now illegal even if you use them for right purposes it can easily promote illegal funding as well, do you really have anything to hide? Because Bitcoin decentralization gives power to the people already, you don't have to use mixer, I don't see reason to use mixer because Bitcoin did enough for me in that part.

The choice is yours, but don't bring any mixers related discussion on here after December 31st, I still don't know if mixers related discussions will be allowed or not, until then.

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There is a draft law being prepared for it to be passed and become a law. Even in the United States, the use of a mixer is considered legal, and all the problem that occurred because of Sinbad’s signature was because the address of the signature campaign for that mixer was included in the OFAC list, but you can still spend your coins to any party that does not support OFAC lists, especially since most mining pools do not adhere to it.

unless there is a legal ban on these mixers in your country, and you are not using the mixer to hide illegal gains, then mixing your currencies is considered a legal act.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

You can't deposit your coin on most centralized exchange and custodial wallet since it's either against their ToS or they deemed your deposit suspicious. On some case, they'd ask tons of personal information to prove you're innocent.

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Will any one come knocking on your door if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

I don't know, but i don't recall it ever happens. CMIIW.

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

No.

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will using mixers be an expensive?

It depends on which mixers service you use. Although i expect few mixers would try to be competitive by applying low fees.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?
Will any one come knocking on your door if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

Bitcoin mixers or mixers in general are not illegal but they are fluctuating between legal and illegal. It is only matter of time when some criminals like Lazardus group to mix coins on a mixer and bring problems to that platform. The US. government, DOJ. will seize, sanction it and it will become illegal.

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Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

It is allowed if a discussion post has no url link to a mixer website.

Follow it in Mixers to be banned.
Follow theymos' post history to see his updates about the ban and what he adjust, finalize for January 1 ban against mixers.

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Will using mixers be an expensive?

Depends on each mixer. I can not generalize service fee for all mixers.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?
Will any one come knocking on your door if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?
Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?
Will using mixers be an expensive?

If mixers are not illegal in your countries, then you can feel free to use them. But, keep in mind that since the purpose of using a bitcoin mixer is to protect your privacy, you have to use decentralized exchanges like BISQ instead of centralized ones. If you use centralized exchanges like Binance and Coinbase, they'll ask you for KYC documents and source of funds, that means, your privacy won't be protected and they'll have an eye on you (let's assume this one).

We can't predict whether mixers will charge more or not, i.e. whether they'll be expensive or not but it will be very hard to find a good, trustworthy mixer.

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Using mixers isn't illegal in most countries, so long as you are not participating in any illicit activities. Unless, of course your mixer is listed as being compliant with money laundering, that is a whole other story.

Unfortunately, not all government works the same. There are certain cases where government can seize your funds if you were to use a mixer and/or the origins of your coins are tainted already. Familiarize your local laws and your rights, do your own research when it comes to legal advice.

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In Bitcointalk forum all about mixer will not longer be allowed after January 1 next year but the mixer project is still allowed if you want to be anonymous with your bitcoin fund. Not must to be worry when using Mixer not for illegal transaction because you want to keep with all your assets how to be private without allowed tracking by the other.

Quote from: btc78 on December 19, 2023, 03:56:38 AM

but no i don’t think police will come knocking at your door if you talk or discuss about mixers here maybe if you try to post an alternative or promote it, your post might be deleted or something of the likes

Actually is not has police will knock your door when talking about mixer but is not allowed in this forum based on admin rule, all promotion or discussing about mixer for first January will not be allowed any more and get warning with your bitcointalk account if still discussing or promoting with mixer project.

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Centralized exchanges are far more likely to question you about your funds if your coins are mixed. So if you already mixed your coins, probably do a couple of hops from multiple wallet addresses to hopefully bypass their automated flagging software if it doesn't dig deep enough.

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well if you weren’t doing anything illegal while you were using mixers then you shouldn’t feel worried because mixers weren’t yet illegal by the time you were using them but if you use it knowing that it is now illegal or banned then you should be worried then

but no i don’t think police will come knocking at your door if you talk or discuss about mixers here maybe if you try to post an alternative or promote it, your post might be deleted or something of the likes

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on December 19, 2023, 03:36:21 AM

Mixer is a tool to make you stay anonymous, so assuming you did right and know what you're doing, how can someone able to know your location and knocking your door? you must be leave your identity somewhere and it's already kill the purpose of mixer.

Using mixer will be expensive because the current regulations is full of KYC, so it's not gonna be easy to stay anonymous.

It is super easy to mess it up, by mixing outputs of separate transactions together. For example, I have a UTXO that is freshly mixed. Then I pay something online and I receive the change. If I then mix the change with other UTXOs that haven't been processed by mixers or coinjoins etc, you can definetely make a mistake. So I underline a sentence in your response, because it is important that we do things properly. No tool is safe against human error Wink

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Mixer is a tool to make you stay anonymous, so assuming you did right and know what you're doing, how can someone able to know your location and knocking your door? you must be leave your identity somewhere and it's already kill the purpose of mixer.

Using mixer will be expensive because the current regulations is full of KYC, so it's not gonna be easy to stay anonymous.

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Quote from: NotATether on December 19, 2023, 03:22:30 AM

If you're not doing anything illegal, then nobody is going to show up at your door and harass you. The worst thing you have to deal with is just exchanges requesting enhanced verification from you and most likely a source of funds document if you send mixed bitcoins there.

Mixers are still not classified by governments as illegal.

Luckily we can use Robosats, BISQ and many other options that are P2P exchanges and will not censor transactions. Btw, if anyone has more options in this regard, feel free to share them.

There is also this website here: https://kycnot.me/ which has a lot of good value tools

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 19, 2023, 02:00:51 AM

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

Yes.

Wrong:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.

If you're not doing anything illegal, then nobody is going to show up at your door and harass you. The worst thing you have to deal with is just exchanges requesting enhanced verification from you and most likely a source of funds document if you send mixed bitcoins there.

Mixers are still not classified by governments as illegal.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on December 19, 2023, 02:00:51 AM

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

Yes. Not Coinjoin like those on Sparrow and Samourai. Coinjoin are not banned on this forum.

I don't think so. General discussion about Bitcoin mixers will still be allowed if I'm not mistaken.
However, we are not allowed to promote them or shill any particular service.

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Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Anything to worry about if you use mixers and not doing anything illegal?

To avoid centralized exchanges. Because they may seize your coins and tell you to verify your account. Also on those KYC exchanges, they may seize your coins at anytime and ask you to provide how you get the coins.

Quote from: bitcoin talk on December 18, 2023, 09:38:59 PM

Will posts like this be banned too after Jan?

~~Yes. Not Coinjoin like those on Sparrow and Samourai. Coinjoin are not banned on this forum.~~

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 05:45:25 AM

- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.

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