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Topic: Apple or the FBI… whose side are you on in the iPhone privacy battle? (Read 1945 times)

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The Fingerprint Lock on Your Phone Isn’t Cop-Proof


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/the-fingerprint-lock-on-your-phone-isn-t-cop-proof

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The FBI’s feud with Apple over access to Syed Farook’s iPhone might never have happened if the San Bernardino, Calif., shooter had been carrying a 5S or newer. For the 250 million phones sold around the world with fingerprint authentication since 2013, law enforcement may be able to compel suspects to press their fingers to the devices and unlock them.

With minimal litigation on the books in the U.S., police and prosecutors require only a judge’s blessing on a warrant for a suspect’s fingerprints. So far they’ve used the power sparingly. But as the number of fingerprint scanners in hip pockets grows, district attorneys across the country say the technology is poised to become a major engine of evidence-gathering. “It is likely to be just a matter of time till this does become a primary gateway to accessing phones,” says Micheal O’Connor, an Alameda County assistant district attorney in Oakland, Calif.

If a person has enabled Apple’s Touch ID, her fingerprint will unlock the phone for 48 hours after locking before the device requires a PIN. Systems on newish Samsung and LG phones work similarly. Los Angeles and Oakland are among the cities that have already granted or received warrants for the use of a finger to unlock a phone. The next step may be a lawsuit that determines whether a fingerprint is off-limits.

Legal scholars say law enforcement is likely to win that fight. Two years ago, David Baust, a paramedic in Virginia Beach, Va., admitted that his locked iPhone 5S may have filmed him in bed strangling his girlfriend, according to a court filing. Baust’s lawyers argued that unlocking the phone would violate his Fifth Amendment right to avoid incriminating himself. A state judge ruled that demanding Baust type in his pass code would entail a “mental process” leading to self-incrimination, but that asking for his fingerprint was more like drawing a blood sample and therefore OK.

Although the Virginia decision isn’t binding on other judges, it’s only a matter of time before a higher court weighs in and sets a precedent, says Rahul Gupta, a senior deputy district attorney in Orange County, Calif. He, too, is betting on police and prosecutors. “It’s just the same old evidence, blood or a mouth swab, being used in a different way,” he says.

Fingerprint-scanning phones will become the majority within about two years, estimates researcher IDC. As the pile of warrant requests grows, the pressure will be on magistrate judges to draw a line between genuine seizures and fishing expeditions, says Leslie Harris, a lecturer at the University of California at Berkeley’s School of Information. “They could be the last line of defense,” says Harris, who’s also president of the Harris Strategy Group, a think tank that advocates for privacy rights. “And they often get calls in the dead of night that force them to make immediate decisions. It’s not an ideal situation.”

The fingerprint lock systems, as they stand, though, aren’t foolproof skeleton keys for law enforcement. When the phone is switched off and restarted, it requires a pass code. And it won’t take long for criminals to learn that the little scanner on the home button isn’t their friend.

The bottom line: Fingerprint locks, which will be the norm in two years, give law enforcement an end run around smartphone encryption.

Imagine I could get a phone pre 2013 but they will eventually make it out of date with various updates to make the phone inefficient. This looks like a issue that will being tackled for a well and should go back and forth in the courts.
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Its impossible to break a 128bit or 256bit cryptography. There is no so powerfull computer to do it. But its very possible a secret cooperation between police and a company.
That is a false generalization  If we are talking about encryption, then it comes down to the length of the password/type & computer power used to decrypt.

If I think from the privacy protection angle then I choose Apple. But if I think how horrible things can happen and that I might be a victim of crime then FBI also have a point.
No, they don't. There's no point in encrypting if you are going to keep a key and let entities unlock on request.
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i support FBI. nothing is impossible for FBI. Roll Eyes Shocked
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Its impossible to break a 128bit or 256bit cryptography. There is no so powerfull computer to do it. But its very possible a secret cooperation between police and a company.

With a 4 or 5 digit key?! Are you serious?!
You can't directly decrypt it, but it takes 10 seconds to get the key.
All it takes is to get the raw data and brutte force it at another computer (one without the 10 fail routine).
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of course apple.
FBI cannot win against iphone.
i bet.
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Its impossible to break a 128bit or 256bit cryptography. There is no so powerfull computer to do it. But its very possible a secret cooperation between police and a company.
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I would go with Apple's decision. Its about users privacy !
Its decision is right in not disclosing and cracking its own smartphone.

In proper crypto there's no "want to". If you send me something PGP encrypted without the key I "can't" decrypt it, regardless if I want or not.
This is the whole point.
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If I think from the privacy protection angle then I choose Apple. But if I think how horrible things can happen and that I might be a victim of crime then FBI also have a point.
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I would go with Apple's decision. Its about users privacy !
Its decision is right in not disclosing and cracking its own smartphone.
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Apple doesn't sell security, sells obscurity. But their customers are usually too dumb to notice!
"It erases on 10 attempts"... how lame is that?! Erases if the memory is being read by the device, if you remove it to read elsewhere you've endless attempts on it.
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apple side too, cause it just doesn't worth it let all the users vulnerable just to bust one terrorist, they must find other way to bust him
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Privacy is always key to me and trumps anything the FBI is selling as a narrative to gain more control over people.
Government is a extension of the people and should be treated as such,the idea the we need to be monitored means they no longer represent the populous.
If you keep letting them extend monitoring aspects you eventually have a 24 hour monitoring system in place.
People that scream there is nothing wrong with that I have nothing to hide usually believe their actions can not be misconstrued as shady.
Say you are in the same block as a terrorist,you are now rounded up because you where in the vicinity. Questioned and then released.
So in essence guilty till proven innocent. I will not live in that world,period!
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US ends case against Apple after pulling data from San Bernardino iPhone

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/28/apple-fbi-case-dropped-san-bernardino-iphone

<< The US government on Monday dropped its court fight against Apple after it successfully pulled data from the iPhone of San Bernardino gunman Syed Farook, according to court records. The development effectively ends a six-week legal battle that was poised to shape digital privacy for years to come. Justice Department lawyers wrote in a court filing Monday evening that they no longer needed Apple's help in getting around the security countermeasures on Farook's device.

"The government has now successfully accessed the data stored on Farook's iPhone and therefore no longer requires the assistance from Apple Inc", the government said. It then asked the court to vacate a 16 February court order demanding Apple create software that weakened iPhone security settings to aid government investigators.

The Guardian has reported that the technique used by the government has been classified. >>
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Apple on this one if it's real. If they just want information on a specific user you'd think they'd just ask Apple vs. asking them to use their software.
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I don't like to say that, but I'm in the Apple side. Even if I hate this company, her action and her leader, it can't be worst than THE terrorist nation, the USA, devil's country.

i am exactly agree with you.. the usa is the evilest , the most hypocrite country of this world.. i hate apple too but it is better than united states..
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Look out for fishy root certs in a ios device near you soon! oh and every android version available.
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FBI may have found way to unlock San Bernardino iPhone without Apple

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/21/fbi-apple-court-hearing-postpone-unlock-terrorist-iphone

<< A court hearing designed to force Apple into compromising its security systems for the iPhone was cancelled Monday at the request of federal authorities, who said they potentially had another way into the San Bernardino shooter's phone. The astonishing reversal kicks the can down the road in what had become the climax of a two year battle over digital privacy between the US government and Silicon Valley. At the same time, the standoff between Apple and the Justice Department drew so much attention that policymakers or another court may weigh in soon regardless.

The government has until 5 April to determine whether it wants to pursue the case. Apple's attorneys, in a conference call with reporters, said they do not consider the development a legal victory and warned they could be back in the same situation in two weeks. The attorneys spoke on the condition of not being quoted by name. The company's lawyers said they were as surprised as anyone and learned of the development in an afternoon phone call.

The government's potential solution raises its own questions: if investigators figure out a way to hack into the device without Apple's help, are they obligated to show Apple the security flaw they used to get inside? Attorneys for Apple, which almost assuredly would then patch such a flaw, said they would demand the government share their methods if they successfully get inside the phone. >>
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I am wondering how many of you really understand what can happen with backdoors on phones...  I would of thought you did but after reading this.. wow.

Yeah, it's kind of surprising to see so many people in this forum, of all places, siding with the FBI on this.

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I am wondering how many of you really understand what can happen with backdoors on phones...  I would of thought you did but after reading this.. wow.

I don't think that I'm concerned, since I don't live in the shitty country which the United States are. They can spy me if they want, they'll never be able to touch me.

You really don't get it at all do you...

This ignorance and widely opinionated is why the world is so fucked up..

What happens when Russia steals all of Microsoft's, IBM's, Apples, Googles top CEO's damming E-mails and posts them all over the web as retaliation for the sanctions?

This will be the beginning of a war.. although with our ecom so fucked perhaps that is the plan of these disgusting pigs.

I hope that it will be the beggining of a war. Russia is threatened by the USA for no reason at all ! At least I hope they will act as real men and will fight back. I know that soon there will the WW3. I only hope that the new coming superpower will be pro-Russia, because this newsuperpower won't do the same mistakes as the 2 Reich that were before it, and thus won"t declare war to both Russia and the USA. That mean that one of those two countries won't survive WW3, and I'm convinced that Russia will be the winner.
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I don't like Apple as a company, but of course I'm on their side in this debate. I don't care what the terrorist did, unlocking the phone would set a precedent and be very dangerous for everyone.

It's funny how everyone asking Apple to do this are technologically clueless, when all the tech-related people are on Apple's side. That should tell us something.

It's a bit like politicians in general saying silly things like "encryption should be banned", they don't know what they're talking about and just want to secure votes from the clueless electorate so it looks like they're doing something against terrorism and child porn etc. It makes me mad.

i dislike apple too. and i think they are so right to not giving personal information of their clients to government whether it is right or not.. privcy is pricvy...
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