For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
Will this guide require specialized hardware like a CNC machine? No, just a drill and a vice/press.
Topic: AR 15 Lowers (Read 2030 times)
No, just a drill and a vice/press.
If it's like the standard 80% lowers I've seen from big operations you can complete it with a drill press.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I've shot an AR-10 that had a 80% lower finished with a hand drill. It definitely wasn't pretty but it did the job. Considering how all the gun regulation bills were killed off(that I know of) I imagine we'll get back to 2012 prices soon enough. Just something to consider.
If it's like the standard 80% lowers I've seen from big operations you can complete it with a drill press.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
Will this guide require specialized hardware like a CNC machine?
As an update, I will be ordering the parts I need for the printer/mill over the next couple of days. For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
If you want to be safe, stick with 80% lowers...you could however include the guides for what needs to be milled and drilled. That is perfectly legal.
In my opinion you should be able to send me a fully assembled lower without any hassle but sadly my opinion is not the law
In my opinion you should be able to send me a fully assembled lower without any hassle but sadly my opinion is not the law
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That being said I cannot imagine an epoxied lego lower would hold up well. An AR-15 lower isn't a pressure bearing part but you're going to have a fun time keeping the rear take-down pin through-hole from snapping off with just legos and epoxy 
Legos, yes. However, this:
http://www.infowars.com/3d-printed-lower-receiver-withstands-more-than-650-rounds-gun-grabbers-panic/
Honestly I'd rather build a
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
Your first mistake is you're trying to apply logic and common sense to this. Gun laws can be arcane and easily misinterpreted but that's how it is.
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
It's not illegal to sell steel or aluminum either, unless they fit the definition of what the government defines as "guns" (and you aren't licensed to do so)
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
My understanding is that would be legal. This would be similar to an 80% lower with jigs to make milling out the fire control group easier.
That being said I cannot imagine an epoxied lego lower would hold up well. An AR-15 lower isn't a pressure bearing part but you're going to have a fun time keeping the rear take-down pin through-hole from snapping off with just legos and epoxy
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.When you're in court the judge will not find this amusing. Oh, and be sure not to drop the soap.
No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them. Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.I'm sure the BATF agents breaking out your windows at 2:00 AM with tear gas grenades will find it hilarious.
He's not selling them, he's trading them for something called a "bitcoin."
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable. What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
The design I am working on could actually be shipped in more than two parts, each part being a flat sheet of metal with holes. If I go to jail for selling a few pieces of metal, then this country really is screwed.
On a side note, I will make sure the product is legally compliant before I ship, and if I am forced to, I will only sell 80% lowers, or I will ship though a ATF dealer.
A judge will not consider your splitting a lower into two, or even three, trivially-assembleable pieces to be cute or clever. He will consider it to be willful flaunting of federal gun laws and will make an example of you. These laws are not taken lightly.
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
The design I am working on could actually be shipped in more than two parts, each part being a flat sheet of metal with holes. If I go to jail for selling a few pieces of metal, then this country really is screwed.
On a side note, I will make sure the product is legally compliant before I ship, and if I am forced to, I will only sell 80% lowers, or I will ship though a ATF dealer.
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
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