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Quote from: Kluge on April 26, 2013, 02:43:22 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 01:12:35 PM

Quote from: stevegee58 on April 26, 2013, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 12:24:38 PM

Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?

Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.

Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.

So all of those 80% or 95% lowers are able to be sold because they have zero machining done to the trigger area. These bolt together units will have to have that done.

The only way I see this working is if you just shipped the two halves in separate boxes at separate times from different locations, and just didn't care for the legalities.

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Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 01:12:35 PM

Quote from: stevegee58 on April 26, 2013, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 12:24:38 PM

Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?

Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.

Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.

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Quote from: stevegee58 on April 26, 2013, 12:46:51 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 12:24:38 PM

Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?

Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.

Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.

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Quote from: RandyFolds on April 26, 2013, 12:24:38 PM

Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?

Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.

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Quote from: barbarousrelic on April 26, 2013, 12:31:37 PM

There is no way that the BATFE is going to agree that bolting one half to the other half constitutes 20% or more of the process of manufacturing a lower.

That much is true...that's why I want to see plans. 80% receivers still require machining, which bolting definitely is not. That said, I have no idea how you could implement a bolted lower. More info, OP!

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There is no way that the BATFE is going to agree that bolting one half to the other half constitutes 20% or more of the process of manufacturing a lower.

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Quote from: stevegee58 on April 26, 2013, 05:36:07 AM

Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Generally manufacturers of 80% lowers have a letter from BATF stating that they looked at their plans and a prototype and have approved it as an 80%.

Where's OP's BATF letter?

Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?

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Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Generally manufacturers of 80% lowers have a letter from BATF stating that they looked at their plans and a prototype and have approved it as an 80%.

Where's OP's BATF letter?

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Personally, I would be more interested in the complete lower shipped to ffl dealer.

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Quote from: RandyFolds on April 25, 2013, 10:33:41 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on April 25, 2013, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 25, 2013, 08:51:38 PM

Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.

Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.

BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.

Was living in a cabin in the woods in Texas for a while, foraging for all sorts of food and mushrooms, ripping huge gar and catfish out of the brazos, and shooting feral pigs. There were a lot of guns and Lone Star. Tecshare dragged me back in by telling me how volatile things were...needless to say, some safe wallets were dusted off for this playground.

That sounds like great fun. So you retired to your “country estate” for a while. Nice! I think Bruno cried for like a month when you left. LOL

Welcome back!

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A fully detached home is a single wide mobile on a larger parcel of land.

A mansion is a double wide mobile on several acres.

A country estate is a cabin in the woods.

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on April 25, 2013, 10:23:20 PM

Quote from: RandyFolds on April 25, 2013, 08:51:38 PM

Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.

Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.

BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.

Was living in a cabin in the woods in Texas for a while, foraging for all sorts of food and mushrooms, ripping huge gar and catfish out of the brazos, and shooting feral pigs. There were a lot of guns and Lone Star. Tecshare dragged me back in by telling me how volatile things were...needless to say, some safe wallets were dusted off for this playground.

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Quote from: RandyFolds on April 25, 2013, 08:51:38 PM

Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.

Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.

BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.

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Quote from: crazyates on April 25, 2013, 08:38:04 PM

Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.

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Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.

You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).

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Here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AR+receiver+blanks

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Quote from: Kluge on April 25, 2013, 08:05:02 PM

I sincerely doubt selling them in pieces as a kit gives you any more of a legitimate defense than a "build-a-bomb" kit, or selling government secrets but with two documents available with each containing half the letters of words to make up the "whole" document. "Well, there are no secrets -- it just says 'Rnl Raa kld hmef n 18 bt ws rpae wt a coe md ot o crbad' on one, and 'oad egn ile isl 92 u a elcd ih ln ae u f ador" on the other,' so there's obviously no state secrets there."

For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.

IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.

I know people who have shipped entire (read the whole freaking rifle) AR-15s through the mail and not got in trouble. Its not illegal to even sell the entire receiver, I just have to have it shipped specially (to a dealer).

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I sincerely doubt selling them in pieces as a kit gives you any more of a legitimate defense than a "build-a-bomb" kit, or selling government secrets but with two documents available with each containing half the letters of words to make up the "whole" document. "Well, there are no secrets -- it just says 'Rnl Raa kld hmef n 18 bt ws rpae wt a coe md ot o crbad' on one, and 'oad egn ile isl 92 u a elcd ih ln ae u f ador" on the other,' so there's obviously no state secrets there."

For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.

IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.

ETA: They see me derpin'.

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Quote from: stevegee58 on April 25, 2013, 07:51:17 PM

I smell coffee and donuts.

BAFTE compliant in most of the US, my man.

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I smell coffee and donuts.

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