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Quote from: Plaguedeath on February 08, 2023, 07:32:42 AM

Many casinos are prohibit to use arbitrage betting because it's a way how the gambler will always make money and which will result lose on the casino's side. If you search on scam accusations section, you will see a lot accusations created due to arbitrage betting broken rule. Just create bet from your analysis about the event you bet, don't compare one casino to another one and looking to find the loophole.

I think the one that prohibits it are the sports betting sites and not the casino's unless if you mean casinos with sports betting sites on them. There might still be risks on doing arbitrage, the same as on trading even if the betting site allows it so it's not always a guaranteed loss for them and a win from those who did it. Now the risk for those who did it have increased drastically because betting sites are now after them. They have different ways to detect the same users that will try to do an arbitrage betting.

It's likely that these betting sites have a cooperation with other betting sites to bust this kind of betting strategy. Those who report a scam accuse were maybe new to it but at least they are now aware that it's not allowed the next time they place a bet.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 08, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

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The only arbitrage betting I do is when I bet with cash in the neighborhood with odds that are usually far from the odds in online betting sites.

I envy you that you can still go and place bets in the neighborhood.I remember when I used to go there and talk with a lot of random people who soon after would become my friends and we would exchange ideas every day about the bets of the day.At that time Internet betting was not as massive as it is now.

Nevertheless from what I see as there are still some lotto clubs here who provide their newspaper which has sport teams information and the odds and I rarely see any small difference with odds of online providers,for huge difference I don't think this to exist massively.

Many bettors here in my neighborhood either don't check online odds or they don't know about it or they don't care at all. I guess they find it too much of a hassle for them. They're too used to betting on the streets. Even in basketball handicaps, for example, they make fun of that points with +/-0.5. They don't understand that. They find it ridiculous. Normally, the odds would be straight 2.0. You will bet $50, for example, to match another $50 bet. If there's a handicap, the + or - would always be whole numbers and the odds would remain 2.0.

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Quote from: Darker45 on February 07, 2023, 08:09:02 PM

The only arbitrage betting I do is when I bet with cash in the neighborhood with odds that are usually far from the odds in online betting sites.

I envy you that you can still go and place bets in the neighborhood.I remember when I used to go there and talk with a lot of random people who soon after would become my friends and we would exchange ideas every day about the bets of the day.At that time Internet betting was not as massive as it is now.

Nevertheless from what I see as there are still some lotto clubs here who provide their newspaper which has sport teams information and the odds and I rarely see any small difference with odds of online providers,for huge difference I don't think this to exist massively.

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But on the contrary, how does Betting arbitrage actually work when it comes to casino gambling? Because thou I'm familiar with crypto arbitrage whereby a user buys a coin on exchange "A" at a lower price to sell it on exchange "B" at a higher price to make a profit. Is that the same to Betting arbitrage? Because from what I could read from the replies made above, it seems we have many persons who have tried this and have a clue how this thing works, as it will likely be a privilege on my side learning something new today. Thanks

Maybe it only work in the betting environment where different sites give different odds but to be true, even if the odds are a bit different i wont call it an Arbitrage.

Yes, that's exactly the point I was driving to, because for the fact that the odds on casino are a bit different that doesn't make it an arbitrage, following the true definition of what "arbitrage" is, because according to Google, I am made to understand that "Arbitrage is the simultaneous buying of goods at a lower price and selling of the same good at a different market at a higher price for the purpose of making profit", which is quite different from what its been claim here as arbitrage betting.

But, if there is anyone else who can explain more than I understand how arbitrage betting works, I will be very glad.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on February 08, 2023, 02:50:35 AM

I think arbitrage betting works only if you find proper opportunity to do it. But its big hassle in my opinion. As far as I know online casinos may cancel your bets (its probably in their rules) if odds are weirdly different than competitor casinos. Its %100 sure you should spend a lot of time to detect one opportunity anyways. May it be worth to spend your time for low percentage profit? I personally don't know.

I wish if someone can share their real experience on how Arbitrage betting works ? Also when they say that they are sure shot bets to be won, it increases my curiosity as i am not aware of it and may be I am losing an easy money making opportunity.

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on February 08, 2023, 07:25:50 AM

But on the contrary, how does Betting arbitrage actually work when it comes to casino gambling? Because thou I'm familiar with crypto arbitrage whereby a user buys a coin on exchange "A" at a lower price to sell it on exchange "B" at a higher price to make a profit. Is that the same to Betting arbitrage? Because from what I could read from the replies made above, it seems we have many persons who have tried this and have a clue how this thing works, as it will likely be a privilege on my side learning something new today. Thanks

Maybe it only work in the betting environment where different sites give different odds but to be true, even if the odds are a bit different i wont call it an Arbitrage. No matter which gambling site you use, the favorite team will get less odds, I dont think this could a possibility that the favorite team is given more odds in some sites Huh

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Quote from: Ivekzg on January 28, 2023, 12:44:03 PM

Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?

No, I don't want to enrich the bookie, although the arbitrage betting opportunity is classified as potential, but it has a certain amount of risk, maybe the 90% chance you have doesn't bring you 3% profit.

Quote from: Ivekzg on January 28, 2023, 12:44:03 PM

Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?

Maybe you don't need to show the interest and opportunities you have in arbitrage betting, even if you risk that amount of your money, I'm sure the dealer doesn't give full opportunities to your advantage, I've never seen my friend win a margin opportunity of up to 10%, The practice of arbitrage betting is very easy for the dealer to detect, I'm not interested in betting, it's not profitable for me, maybe I don't have much time to be in front of the laptop/computer all the time to control or track arbitrage/market bets.

Although arbitrage betting is often used in sports betting, it is not a good opportunity to make big profits, even if you are a professional bettor the risk of losing is bigger than you can imagine.

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Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Arbitrage betting do need a lot of fund. You are talking about a small percent of margin like may be 0.5 or 1%. With $100 risking it's not worth. Even with a $1000 you are thinking of winning $5 to $10. But if anything goes wrong then you are going to lose big chunk of your money.

Bookies don't like it too. When you win rate is higher they will limit you or ban you. They are not here to make you rich but to suck your money out of you pocket.

The fact that it would require a player to have multiple bets on different outcomes and different bookies would require already a bigger amount than with the typical betting habit of just choosing one bookie and predicting an outcome. It is a bit complex especially for the new ones but I agree that it still has its own risk. It is simply relying with different result announced by different bookies. I am one of the players who'd not engage with such betting. Also, it would kill the entertainment in this industry. I still prefer the udual betting. If it is losing players are trying to avoid which pushes them in surebets, then I'll just endure it. Losing is a part of the game in the first place.

Yes, of course it requires more costs, but at the same time it guarantees, although not a big, but a permanent win and players are doing this until they get blocked, but many are willing to risk accounts for the sake of benefits, although not so obvious.

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Many casinos are prohibit to use arbitrage betting because it's a way how the gambler will always make money and which will result lose on the casino's side. If you search on scam accusations section, you will see a lot accusations created due to arbitrage betting broken rule. Just create bet from your analysis about the event you bet, don't compare one casino to another one and looking to find the loophole.

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But on the contrary, how does Betting arbitrage actually work when it comes to casino gambling? Because thou I'm familiar with crypto arbitrage whereby a user buys a coin on exchange "A" at a lower price to sell it on exchange "B" at a higher price to make a profit. Is that the same to Betting arbitrage? Because from what I could read from the replies made above, it seems we have many persons who have tried this and have a clue how this thing works, as it will likely be a privilege on my side learning something new today. Thanks

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I think arbitrage betting works only if you find proper opportunity to do it. But its big hassle in my opinion. As far as I know online casinos may cancel your bets (its probably in their rules) if odds are weirdly different than competitor casinos. Its %100 sure you should spend a lot of time to detect one opportunity anyways. May it be worth to spend your time for low percentage profit? I personally don't know.

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On the other hand, bookies do not like their punters do arbitrage. They ban the customer if they find such betting pattern.

Can websites detect an arbitrage transaction? As?

I believe that if it is a manual operation, where you only have a "service" that indicates the best opportunities, there is no way for the betting site to say whether you are arbitraging or not.

Even so, I agree that this is a very complicated operation, you need timing, a lot of money and registration on several sites to make arbitration advantageous.

I myself have found some opportunities, but it was luck on sites I already operated, not because I was really looking for it.

It will be a complicated operation, it's more complicated when you are using different platforms. I don't know how they do the operation but sometimes you can be trapped under the same sports provided even you are gambling in different gambling sites. Ultimately the sports providers have your information and they can match the information. The red flags most probably were sent by the providers. The casinos then just act upon it and tells that the sports providers flagged the user or something.

In other times when a gambler is winning too much than he is losing, it brings loss to the bookie. They do not like it, they will eventually limit you, it does not matter you are playing fair or taking any unfair advantages.

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I haven't gotten myself into arbitrage betting because it seemed too much of a hassle for me. Odds could change quickly. You need to maintain accounts across different bookies. Your activities might appear suspicious. Things need to be fast-paced. And the difference might be too small that you need a huge amount to come up with a significant profit. And that's not without risks.

The only arbitrage betting I do is when I bet with cash in the neighborhood with odds that are usually far from the odds in online betting sites.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 28, 2023, 01:52:48 PM

On the other hand, bookies do not like their punters do arbitrage. They ban the customer if they find such betting pattern.

Can websites detect an arbitrage transaction? As?

I believe that if it is a manual operation, where you only have a "service" that indicates the best opportunities, there is no way for the betting site to say whether you are arbitraging or not.

Even so, I agree that this is a very complicated operation, you need timing, a lot of money and registration on several sites to make arbitration advantageous.

I myself have found some opportunities, but it was luck on sites I already operated, not because I was really looking for it.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 30, 2023, 07:03:31 AM

Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Arbitrage betting do need a lot of fund. You are talking about a small percent of margin like may be 0.5 or 1%. With $100 risking it's not worth. Even with a $1000 you are thinking of winning $5 to $10. But if anything goes wrong then you are going to lose big chunk of your money.

Bookies don't like it too. When you win rate is higher they will limit you or ban you. They are not here to make you rich but to suck your money out of you pocket.

Besides arbitrage betting can be more complex than what it may seem, different bookies may have different rules regarding very specific circumstances, so unless you know the sport in which you are betting by heart you could still lose all your bets, and when you consider the low amount you can win on each bet then a single one of those mistakes could be enough to wipe out months of work, and that still does not take into consideration getting your account banned and not getting your money back.

Knowing that these companies arent that dumb on not to know about those arbitrage betting because once they do have suspicions then you would really be that fucked up in the end which it wouldnt
really be that worth i would say when it comes to pursuing this type of betting behavior.Yes, sure there are gamblers who are still doing this kind of approach into their gambling bets but
im aint sure on how rampant they would be neither they are all been locked up and caught or still continuing but really just silent and do stay off on the radar.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 30, 2023, 07:03:31 AM

Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Arbitrage betting do need a lot of fund. You are talking about a small percent of margin like may be 0.5 or 1%. With $100 risking it's not worth. Even with a $1000 you are thinking of winning $5 to $10. But if anything goes wrong then you are going to lose big chunk of your money.

Bookies don't like it too. When you win rate is higher they will limit you or ban you. They are not here to make you rich but to suck your money out of you pocket.

Besides arbitrage betting can be more complex than what it may seem, different bookies may have different rules regarding very specific circumstances, so unless you know the sport in which you are betting by heart you could still lose all your bets, and when you consider the low amount you can win on each bet then a single one of those mistakes could be enough to wipe out months of work, and that still does not take into consideration getting your account banned and not getting your money back.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 30, 2023, 07:03:31 AM

Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Arbitrage betting do need a lot of fund. You are talking about a small percent of margin like may be 0.5 or 1%. With $100 risking it's not worth. Even with a $1000 you are thinking of winning $5 to $10. But if anything goes wrong then you are going to lose big chunk of your money.

Bookies don't like it too. When you win rate is higher they will limit you or ban you. They are not here to make you rich but to suck your money out of you pocket.

The fact that it would require a player to have multiple bets on different outcomes and different bookies would require already a bigger amount than with the typical betting habit of just choosing one bookie and predicting an outcome. It is a bit complex especially for the new ones but I agree that it still has its own risk. It is simply relying with different result announced by different bookies. I am one of the players who'd not engage with such betting. Also, it would kill the entertainment in this industry. I still prefer the udual betting. If it is losing players are trying to avoid which pushes them in surebets, then I'll just endure it. Losing is a part of the game in the first place.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 30, 2023, 07:03:31 AM

Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Arbitrage betting do need a lot of fund. You are talking about a small percent of margin like may be 0.5 or 1%. With $100 risking it's not worth. Even with a $1000 you are thinking of winning $5 to $10. But if anything goes wrong then you are going to lose big chunk of your money.

Bookies don't like it too. When you win rate is higher they will limit you or ban you. They are not here to make you rich but to suck your money out of you pocket.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 30, 2023, 07:03:31 AM

with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

Yes, it requires a lot of funds because you will be betting on multiple betting sites and you only want to make sure that your effort counts so you should increase your bets because who knows the platform might caught you and you cant do the same thing again next time.

You don't need to follow this kind of set up if you have a doubt and then you are only a small gambler but why not register only accounts for other people, like what you have done before? As long as the site doesn't demand a KYC then there is no need to worry. Maybe if someone trusted you, they will let you do the thing for them and they will only fund your accounts. You have nothing to lose this way.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on January 28, 2023, 03:28:58 PM

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Not all gamblers like the Arbitrage Betting because if you loss all bets, you loss a huge amount of money at a time. There was a time I discussed with a friend to do Arbitrage Bet but he said no. And really I have tried twice or thrice and the thing didn't favour me so since then I abandoned it. I always focus on one betting row. I am even afraid to bet on it since one of my guy lost about $300 for Arbitrage Betting.

In Arbitrage betting timing is very important even a few seconds can make huge difference. The best practice is to do it with friends. Check the odds in several sites. Decide between you who will place bet in which leg of the same market. Do it at once. This is one of the method.

Another method is doing it by yourself. You can do it in different platform or in the same platform too. Mostly in the Live match you will find this kind of opportunity. But it's risky. I used to do it in Test cricket match, you can easily find several opportunity for arbitrage betting. Five days long match, session by session games. You will easily find the fav is behind in one of two session. With a lot of passion you may make some money but to be honest the amount of time you spend in it not worth it even if you are placing huge amount of stake.

Hmm, with your explanation here i already know i wont be doing this type of betting anytime soon, but i have heard some of my guys who alway talk about this arbitrage betting and he even paid me once just to register an account with a betting due to the fact that they have restricted his account due to the lots of winning he had they made it sound so 98% reliable and easy to follow. They have really preached about arbitrage betting and was thinking of going into myself but i later learnt it requires a whole lot of funds to follow up this type of gambling and certainly i am not that type of gambler again as i only gamble for fun now and don't want to involve myself in such gambling process that requires lots of stress according to the explanation i got and for sure, i don't want be gambling more on what i dont have.

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Arbitrage has a big risk ? Yes if you are a moron who doesn't know what are you doing.
For some ppl crossing the road has a big risk also. Roll Eyes

am I wrong to say big risk? after you said some people crossing the road are also at risk.
In this forum, every time there is a thread, there will definitely be differences of opinion and differences of argument, maybe you don't need to misunderstand, you just need to continue your argument.

if indeed you think the Arbitrage betting that you wrote is not risky or is correct in your opinion, just do it.

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