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legendary
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January 29, 2023, 07:29:30 PM
#25
there are several problems/facts to be known regarding surebets:
- you need to have several accounts on bookmakers with money deposited there (it means huge amounts of money at least 10+ accounts). What if there is a problem with one bookmakers? ...
- bookmakers could decide to not pay if they suspects you are doing surebets.
- you need to act very quickly because odds change fast. it means you need to receive such info very quickly and be able to place a bet during the whole day.
- low earning (already pointed out but it should be clear!)

if people feel comfortable by doing this... please continue to bet Wink

I am doing 17 years full time arbitarge and i dont agree with your post.

1. Why u need 10 accounts? I have 1 softbook bookmaker where i placing bets and have 1 pinnacle account and 1 orbit account where i cover bets. Also u dont need huge amounts because huge deposit is a reg flag for bookmaker. Its better to deposit 10 x 500 eur and lose that 500 eur 10 times like deposit 5000 eur at once. Once they stop acceptin bet or limit stakes move on other softbook bookmaker.

2. Bookmaker have no chance to give you proof that you are doing arbitrage, they just can void your bet, if you bet on price with obvious mistake. For example if you bet odds 15 instead of 1.5 the will void this. thats a reason why u need to avoid arbitrage higher then 5% . Also they will limit you when you frequently place EV+ bets (search for it)

3. What is very quickly ? betburger show me arb so i login to both bookmakers, calculate stakes , place bets . thats it. With practice you will be faster than other guys ... who are very slow and unsure about what they are doing. you need to be confident.

4. 3-5 k eur monthly is not good? ok no problem lets find other job. But in eastern countries this is awesome salary.


Have other questions? Ask i will reply you


1. I don't want use "strange" bookmakers where in case of win, I am not 101% sure they will pay. That's why arbitrage system that I have seen requires several bookmakers (very WELL KNOWN).
And of course more bookmakers you have = more chance to get surebets available. it's clearly a lie you use just 3 bookmakers if at end you claim to make 5K monthly Smiley come on !!!!  

I want challenge you on math. If you have to pay fees on win, fees for withdraw, fees for deposit... and you're betting 500 USD for a profit of (more or less) 1%... you're seriously doing all this shit and calculations for win around a couple of USD? Moreover from site that can decide to not pay etc etc etc?
Moreover, linked to your "point2" bookies could just void your bet... it means no profit, or much worst you can just get a bet voided (win) and one bet valid (LOSS!)
You are taking this risk each time for few bucks? Come on Smiley Anyone can decide by himself what do on their life, but I don't understand why people should tell happy ending tales Roll Eyes

3. Odds change fast. And If you're not doing this full time (I mean I don't think you're wasting full time job just for a couple of bucks) you need to be online to place a bet. Well act fast, as I told before you're making all this work/placing bet on "softbook", risk a lot of money, spending time... for a couple of bucks. If you enjoy... don't worry at all!

4. LOL
Surebets are around 1% of profit (rounded numbers without counting the various fees etc).
Considering the amount have you claimed (placing 500 euro on each book/bankroll) It means you're placing around 1000 surebets monthly.

No I don't have any questions, please avoid selling service/tips etc etc Wink

Finally someone who knows how things works …

lol of course, trust a newbie with fake and random numbers is like a new kind of sports Wink
enjoy!
newbie
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January 29, 2023, 05:06:35 PM
#24
there are several problems/facts to be known regarding surebets:
- you need to have several accounts on bookmakers with money deposited there (it means huge amounts of money at least 10+ accounts). What if there is a problem with one bookmakers? ...
- bookmakers could decide to not pay if they suspects you are doing surebets.
- you need to act very quickly because odds change fast. it means you need to receive such info very quickly and be able to place a bet during the whole day.
- low earning (already pointed out but it should be clear!)

if people feel comfortable by doing this... please continue to bet Wink

I am doing 17 years full time arbitarge and i dont agree with your post.

1. Why u need 10 accounts? I have 1 softbook bookmaker where i placing bets and have 1 pinnacle account and 1 orbit account where i cover bets. Also u dont need huge amounts because huge deposit is a reg flag for bookmaker. Its better to deposit 10 x 500 eur and lose that 500 eur 10 times like deposit 5000 eur at once. Once they stop acceptin bet or limit stakes move on other softbook bookmaker.

2. Bookmaker have no chance to give you proof that you are doing arbitrage, they just can void your bet, if you bet on price with obvious mistake. For example if you bet odds 15 instead of 1.5 the will void this. thats a reason why u need to avoid arbitrage higher then 5% . Also they will limit you when you frequently place EV+ bets (search for it)

3. What is very quickly ? betburger show me arb so i login to both bookmakers, calculate stakes , place bets . thats it. With practice you will be faster than other guys ... who are very slow and unsure about what they are doing. you need to be confident.

4. 3-5 k eur monthly is not good? ok no problem lets find other job. But in eastern countries this is awesome salary.


Have other questions? Ask i will reply you
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
#23
there are several problems/facts to be known regarding surebets:
- you need to have several accounts on bookmakers with money deposited there (it means huge amounts of money at least 10+ accounts). What if there is a problem with one bookmakers? ...
- bookmakers could decide to not pay if they suspects you are doing surebets.
- you need to act very quickly because odds change fast. it means you need to receive such info very quickly and be able to place a bet during the whole day.
- low earning (already pointed out but it should be clear!)

if people feel comfortable by doing this... please continue to bet Wink
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 02:54:10 PM
#22
Ivekzg can maybe confirm it but I don't think their TOS prohibit arbitrage betting, it wouldn't be lawful and they have no oversight to know you have place another bet on the opposite outcome at another sportsbook.
The OP doesn't mention specific names of sportsbooks. Each one should be analyzed individually. Like I said, the size of the wager can be enough for them to see it's an arbitrage bet.

Even if the TOS doesn't mention arbitrage betting itself, they can have a vague term like: We reserve the right to close your account and confiscate any money used in a way that is detriment to our businesses. The statement doesn't mention anything specific, but justifies their actions and gives them the right to protect their business (according to them). Then it's on the player to fight and prove his innocence.  
It would be a pure abusive term, any sportsbook applying this kind of unfair clause should be blacklisted and given bad ratings and feedbacks on review platforms. Sportbooks are the ones defining rules, when a customer win without breaking those rules, the sportbook has no right to refuse to pay his winnings neither to confiscate his funds by saying you've made too much profits from us, it hurts our business. 99% of customers lose money at sportbooks and casinos, part of them even destroy their lives by betting loaned or stolen funds, and we don't see them claiming their money back because it has harmed their capital too much. People are free to bet wherever they want, so it's none of their business if the customer wants to bet on the same event at another sportsbook.
hero member
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January 29, 2023, 11:35:15 AM
#21
Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?
Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?
Not all gamblers like the Arbitrage Betting because if you loss all bets, you loss a huge amount of money at a time. There was a time I discussed with a friend to do Arbitrage Bet but he said no. And really I have tried twice or thrice and the thing didn't favour me so since then I abandoned it. I always focus on one betting row. I am even afraid to bet on it since one of my guy lost about $300 for Arbitrage Betting.
I thought that arbitrage was only for crypto exchanges, it turns out that there is also gambling, I just found out about this, but it's nice to hear you share your experience about this, so I won't try it, after all arbitrage is not an advantage either when we are having bad luck we can lose luckily and lose a lot of money
arbitrage is not only in crypto trading, but in gambling there is also an arbitrage bet, but it has a big risk.
and it's normal if you don't know what arbitrage betting is, because this type of bet is very rarely of interest to gamblers because it has the risk of losing all the funds they have at the casino.
gamblers prefer to bet using safer options than choosing arbitrage bets which is very dangerous for me.
hero member
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January 29, 2023, 10:39:53 AM
#20
Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?
Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?
What is your country because most of arbitrage betting opportunities always available only on local sportsbook since most of the crypto sportsbook is using same bookmaker on providing odds that makes arbitrage betting almost impossible to do. You can get do arbitrage trading on crypto bookie but it involves shady casino they do it on purpose to attract players to deposit in their casino then later scam you.

You can check this discussion https://www.reddit.com/r/arbitragebetting/ on reddit for more active community that discussed about this topic.

I heard about arbitrage trading but the term arbitrage betting is new for me ? Do you know how can we do arbitrage betting ?
I know the odds on different sportsbook are different but they are not so much difference that we can do arbitrage betting.


Ok, thank you for idea, I will open new thread only with arbitrage tips. Tips will be from soft crypto books (as this is crypto forum) and Pinny and Betfair.
Is that ok ?

If you create the link for arbitrage betting tips , do share the link here ?
Also let us know on sportsbook will you be using for this purpose ?
jr. member
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January 29, 2023, 07:31:08 AM
#20
They can spot arbitrage bets but they cant spot their mistake in odds ?
Confisicate money for betting on their odds ? Thats theft and criminal behavior.
Just read the TOS carefully of every site you intend to use for arbitrage betting and pay attention to what it says. 99% of people won't do that. They will spot it if you make it to easy for them. A $50 bet doesn't look like an arbitrage bet. A $52.17 is a completely different thing though.

Of course that serious arber wont bet 52,17$ he will round at 50$ on soft book and on other sid of bet like Pinny of Betfair you can bet like 52.38 or smt like that as they  dont care, if fact they encourage this kind of action as they know that soft line is on other side.

Did you ever heard Pinny confiscate money from players ? No, cos they know what are they doing.
Pinny as in Pinnacle Sports? I have heard of the brand but never played there nor do I know their reputation.

Yes, Pinnacle, you never play there, you dont know their reputation, so do you think you have enough knowledge to comment anything about arbing ?


Every bookie should by lead by their example.
Period.
What should be and what is happening are two different things. We shouldn't have war in the 21st century either, but you can see how that goes. Go to the scam accusations board and read some of the complaints there. There are, of course, many players who are scammers as well, but maybe you will get an idea about some of the things that are are happening.

Ivekzg can maybe confirm it but I don't think their TOS prohibit arbitrage betting, it wouldn't be lawful and they have no oversight to know you have place another bet on the opposite outcome at another sportsbook.
The OP doesn't mention specific names of sportsbooks. Each one should be analyzed individually. Like I said, the size of the wager can be enough for them to see it's an arbitrage bet.

Even if the TOS doesn't mention arbitrage betting itself, they can have a vague term like: We reserve the right to close your account and confiscate any money used in a way that is detriment to our businesses. The statement doesn't mention anything specific, but justifies their actions and gives them the right to protect their business (according to them). Then it's on the player to fight and prove his innocence. 

If you read books TOS you realize they can do whatever they want. But experienced arber like myself will know exactly which books to use and how to use it.
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 09:58:35 AM
#19
Is that ok ?
It's your thread, you can approach it any way you think is the best.
If it was me, I would begin with some background info about what arbitrage is. Many people already know it, but it won't hurt. If you are good at finding such offers, maybe you can talk about that as well, and show some proof and stats about how much can be made with arbitrage betting nowadays.
hero member
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January 29, 2023, 09:35:37 AM
#18
Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?
Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?
What is your country because most of arbitrage betting opportunities always available only on local sportsbook since most of the crypto sportsbook is using same bookmaker on providing odds that makes arbitrage betting almost impossible to do. You can get do arbitrage trading on crypto bookie but it involves shady casino they do it on purpose to attract players to deposit in their casino then later scam you.

You can check this discussion https://www.reddit.com/r/arbitragebetting/ on reddit for more active community that discussed about this topic.
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 09:02:01 AM
#17
If you read books TOS you realize they can do whatever they want. But experienced arber like myself will know exactly which books to use and how to use it.
Yes, most of the time they can do how they please. If you are an experienced arbitrage bettor, why aren't you the one who posts tips and recommendations? Your opening post makes it look like you are asking others to help you out. Maybe that's just me who understood it that way.

Anyways, if you are as experienced as you say, create a proper thread with a quality OP talking about arbitrage betting.
On a side note, it's against the forum rules to make multiple posts in quick sequence one after the other. Quote the parts of the messages you are replying to all in one post.
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 03:59:49 AM
#16
It seems to me that arbitrage betting can make a profit if you are a really advanced player and know how to make such bets so as not to be caught, for the rest it can bring only a small amount while you risk being limited by the bookmaker, it's worth it, I think not.
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 03:37:20 AM
#15
They can spot arbitrage bets but they cant spot their mistake in odds ?
Confisicate money for betting on their odds ? Thats theft and criminal behavior.
Just read the TOS carefully of every site you intend to use for arbitrage betting and pay attention to what it says. 99% of people won't do that. They will spot it if you make it to easy for them. A $50 bet doesn't look like an arbitrage bet. A $52.17 is a completely different thing though.

Did you ever heard Pinny confiscate money from players ? No, cos they know what are they doing.
Pinny as in Pinnacle Sports? I have heard of the brand but never played there nor do I know their reputation.

Every bookie should by lead by their example.
Period.
What should be and what is happening are two different things. We shouldn't have war in the 21st century either, but you can see how that goes. Go to the scam accusations board and read some of the complaints there. There are, of course, many players who are scammers as well, but maybe you will get an idea about some of the things that are are happening.

Ivekzg can maybe confirm it but I don't think their TOS prohibit arbitrage betting, it wouldn't be lawful and they have no oversight to know you have place another bet on the opposite outcome at another sportsbook.
The OP doesn't mention specific names of sportsbooks. Each one should be analyzed individually. Like I said, the size of the wager can be enough for them to see it's an arbitrage bet.

Even if the TOS doesn't mention arbitrage betting itself, they can have a vague term like: We reserve the right to close your account and confiscate any money used in a way that is detriment to our businesses. The statement doesn't mention anything specific, but justifies their actions and gives them the right to protect their business (according to them). Then it's on the player to fight and prove his innocence. 
hero member
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January 29, 2023, 02:31:52 AM
#14
A clear violations of TOS are a sign and indication to get banned by the casino and that is the reason we have some crying babies all around the reputation board trying to blame the casino for their act of disorderliness, why will any one want to cheat a game when you can beat the casino if you have good knowledge of the games and making you prediction along that knowledge line.
-Arbitrage betting doesn't work I have seen a few forks offering such services as sure bet and 99% are scams and never work so it doesn't worth the stress.
legendary
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January 29, 2023, 02:27:05 AM
#13
Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?
Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?
Not all gamblers like the Arbitrage Betting because if you loss all bets, you loss a huge amount of money at a time. There was a time I discussed with a friend to do Arbitrage Bet but he said no. And really I have tried twice or thrice and the thing didn't favour me so since then I abandoned it. I always focus on one betting row. I am even afraid to bet on it since one of my guy lost about $300 for Arbitrage Betting.
I thought that arbitrage was only for crypto exchanges, it turns out that there is also gambling, I just found out about this, but it's nice to hear you share your experience about this, so I won't try it, after all arbitrage is not an advantage either when we are having bad luck we can lose luckily and lose a lot of money
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January 29, 2023, 02:03:26 AM
#12
I remember about this arbitrage bet but I think it was only rare to see it now (I'm not actually sure) and I think you should have data from all the markets to see what match you can arbitrage. I am just curious if this kind of strategy is legal? or will the gambling site will know that you are doing arbitrage bets? I'm just curious if that was allowed, many people can make a living out of it but I think it is still depends on the betting amount usually it is only 0.01 multiplier right or 0.1?
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January 28, 2023, 11:40:06 PM
#11
Why is it that everyone always looking for an edge to cheat the casinos? Making a few bucks is worth losing an account? Cmon man, why not make bets straight up and beat the casino? Not enough knowledge of a sport to make money? I know sportsbetting isn't easy, but gambling isn't supposed to be. Going against a sites ToS isn't all that smart and usually ends up with a bs scam accusation because someone cannot wd due to violating terms.

What do you mean cheat the casinos?

I don't understand why arbitrage betting should be any problem at all, even though I know some say in their TOS they don't want it.

If I place a bet on team A on site 1 and on team B on site 2, where is the problem? Both sites see action, the odds only reflect the action on the site/games provider. On site 1 more people bet on team A and on site 2 more on team B, thats why the odds are what they are.

If anybody cheats then it's the casinos by offering way to low odds on sports. Some sites offering 1.8 : 1.8 or even less are the real problem of this industry.

@ the people that talking about risks of arbitrage betting: it seems you don't understand what it means. With these bets you cannot lose.
You bet on 1.6 odds on bookie A and the other side on 3.15 odds on bookie B, where can you lose?
hero member
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January 28, 2023, 11:34:52 PM
#10
Hi, and of you guys doing arbitrage betting ?
Any interest to post some arbitrage betting opportunities ?
Not all gamblers like the Arbitrage Betting because if you loss all bets, you loss a huge amount of money at a time. There was a time I discussed with a friend to do Arbitrage Bet but he said no. And really I have tried twice or thrice and the thing didn't favour me so since then I abandoned it. I always focus on one betting row. I am even afraid to bet on it since one of my guy lost about $300 for Arbitrage Betting.
Yes, it is true that arbitrage bets are very rare and of little interest to gamblers, maybe because these bets have a greater risk and are more difficult to win compared to other bets.
Even though these bets aim to make a profit without having to worry about winning or losing in a match, the reality is that not all gamblers can successfully take advantage of making these bets.
I myself have never once tried to bet on Arbitrage because I wasn't too sure that this bet could give me the win and profit that I expected.
legendary
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January 28, 2023, 11:23:44 PM
#9
Why is it that everyone always looking for an edge to cheat the casinos? Making a few bucks is worth losing an account? Cmon man, why not make bets straight up and beat the casino? Not enough knowledge of a sport to make money? I know sportsbetting isn't easy, but gambling isn't supposed to be. Going against a sites ToS isn't all that smart and usually ends up with a bs scam accusation because someone cannot wd due to violating terms.
jr. member
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January 28, 2023, 04:46:04 PM
#9
It's not worth the trouble in my opinion. Sportsbooks can spot arbitrage bets and they will limit you. If you are unlucky, they can even confiscate your money. Don't forget that all casinos and sportsbooks hide behind their TOS. Crypto bookies are licensed in Curacao. There isn't much you can do when they take your money and ban you. Curacao standards can't be compared with normal casino regulators. The little profit you could make isn't worth the headache if it goes sideways.   

They can spot arbitrage bets but they cant spot their mistake in odds ?
Confisicate money for betting on their odds ? Thats theft and criminal behavior.
Did you ever heard Pinny confiscate money from players ? No, cos they know what are they doing.
Every bookie should by lead by their example.
Period.
legendary
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January 28, 2023, 11:07:59 PM
#8
Not all gamblers like the Arbitrage Betting because if you loss all bets, you loss a huge amount of money at a time. There was a time I discussed with a friend to do Arbitrage Bet but he said no. And really I have tried twice or thrice and the thing didn't favour me so since then I abandoned it. I always focus on one betting row. I am even afraid to bet on it since one of my guy lost about $300 for Arbitrage Betting.
In Arbitrage betting timing is very important even a few seconds can make huge difference. The best practice is to do it with friends. Check the odds in several sites. Decide between you who will place bet in which leg of the same market. Do it at once. This is one of the method.

Another method is doing it by yourself. You can do it in different platform or in the same platform too. Mostly in the Live match you will find this kind of opportunity. But it's risky. I used to do it in Test cricket match, you can easily find several opportunity for arbitrage betting. Five days long match, session by session games. You will easily find the fav is behind in one of two session. With a lot of passion you may make some money but to be honest the amount of time you spend in it not worth it even if you are placing huge amount of stake.
Arbitrage betting is headed to the same direction of arbitrage trading, the timing in arbitrage trading is so important that we cannot expect humans to be able to spot an arbitrage opportunity and then to open a trade, bots are needed to make this process as smooth as possible, and I think the same is happening with arbitrage bets, some skilled gamblers can still do this manually but we will reach a point in which bots will be needed for this as well.
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