Topic: Are Bitcoiners dumber / greedier than ordinary people? - page 2. (Read 3528 times)

If you find this very important and want to consider it, then the 'solution' needs to be something that does not completely remove signature campaigns. Making it significantly harder to spam (by some means) would be much better than doing nothing.

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Let's not start insulting each other directly as this will not help anyone.

*dumb.
DUMB, you illiterate cumwad

people are as dump as the OP creator , why would you think that bitcoiners and ordinary people are different people. i have seen many people like you in this forum   

My English comprehension is fine. Yours, OTOH, appears lacking. Text from whence your quote was culled:
Added some text effects to help you focus

I still believe the only way to fully remove the problem of signature campaign abuses is for the moderation team to be stricter (not to say they aren't doing enough currently). While it definitely hurts them slightly, doing things such as leaving negative feedback to the campaign's account won't change anything (e.g secondstrade). I also think that signature campaigns run by bots should be disallowed flat out. It is impossible for a bot to judge a post's quality without relying on some arbitrary figures such as character count. This is essentially an invitation for abuse.

I still don't understand theymos' views on this. Does he not know (which seems unlikely by how much mods have apparently notified him of it)? Does he not care? Is there some sort of magical solution being implemented "soon"?

Forums don't need a lot of members to stay alive; the forum wouldn't die should signature campaigns be banned. I am/have been a member of several online forums with somewhat small communities, and all of these places seemed a lot nicer with such a small but dedicated community behind them. I don't see the loss in traffic as a bad thing whatsoever, and I doubt it will be significant enough to affect the forum financially. IMO it would be akin to filtering water from piss.

Hilarious never said anything about said quality posters no longer posting. He said it would be a shame for quality posters to not "get a little bitcoin for something they would do anyway". While I agree with your comparison, it doesn't make sense in response to what was said.
Perhaps you should check up on your own English comprehension before insulting others for theirs.

Kind of, yes. The 'solution' doesn't have to be some solution that effectively cuts down the spam to near zero. It just has to have a somewhat effect; it doesn't matter whether it will make it harder to run signature campaigns (forcing managers to actually do their 'jobs') or harder to spam

Exactly. This is what is causing my concern. There are already too many completely useless posts for the sake of profit.

The problem is that any non-technical enforcement (e.g. trying to strengthen campaign management vs. removing/reducing signatures) will require more staff effort, create more abuse/loopholes, etc possibly to the point of defeating the traffic benefits.

I'm all for making campaign managers responsible for the crap but how would you enforce it? Allow only approved sig campaigns similar to how banners are auctioned off, and require them to hire proper managers? What if users start wearing rogue "unapproved" sig ads perhaps contracted outside of the forum? Who would even decide what constitutes an ad? E.g. is my sig an ad?

The whole idea if sig ads is just a bizarre concept that's impossible to balance properly. Especially when you consider the massive range of incomes across the world. 0.1 BTC can be either a modest dinner or a monthly income.

The problem

Those are not "quality posters."
If your girlfriend leaves as soon as you stop paying her for sex, she's not your GF, she's a whore.
If a friend stops talking to you when you stop paying him, he's not really your friend.
If your "quality posters" stop posting once the money dries up, that's the best possible outcome ever.

Unless you're interested in talking with people who are being paid to talk to you, people who tell you shit they know you want to hear, who type up grammatically correct questions in Notepad that they know you'll enjoy answering, etc.

This is not a for-profit site.
The traffic generated by paying people to spam is the kind of traffic commercial websites pay to avoid. That traffic amounts to human DDOS attack.

Well you could certainly make that argument but if you think about the forum as a business a customer (user) is still a customer and traffic is still traffic. Hits/traffic are vital to websites and the revenue they receive and I would guess that signature campaigns account for half of the new sign ups here so it's a big factor in the continued growth of the forum. I guess you could compare it to someone owning a business such as a bar or a nightclub and you're getting a lot of rowdy undesirables in. They might be annoying and piss all over the toilets and spill beer everywhere but they're still spending (or bringing in) money there at the end of the day. There is also the point about signature campaigns contributing to the bitcoin economy and helping new users get introduced to it and getting their hands on their first coins. Many people are apprehensive or don't have the money to gamble on what is a risky venture and at least people can get to try out bitcoin this way and all for free. It's just a shame these idiots don't appreciate the gift they've been given because they'll sure as hell miss their cash cow once it's gone and regret their behaviour.


I have thought about and have suggested that we consider removing signatures from some of the lower ranks before. If we encourage/force campaign managers to only accept quality posters shitposters would have no where to go unless they significantly improved the quality of their posts. Things can be done but there definitely needs to be some repercussions for people running lazy campaigns.

If someone leaves the forum because they're not getting paid... I can't make myself feel any regret about that. Death by drowning in cow manure isn't any more appealing than death by lack of traffic, IF that's really an issue - not convinced about that. Traffic created by shitposters doesn't sound like something worth having.

Perhaps there is a compromise, e.g. kill the fancy signatures for anybody below legendary, or some more sophisticated criteria to weed out shitposters.

Well obviously I can't put an exact figure on the percentage of people that would leave and can only guesstimate but just look at how many people have signatures on the forum and especially in all those shit threads. Do you think they would be there if they weren't getting paid to post? Ban campaigns and you remove their incentive for posting and the people who are only posting to get paid would leave as they likely have no reason to waste time here so in that respect it would be a good thing. Bad for traffic to the site but certainly good for content. With that being said, there's also probably a lot of 'great' posters that would probably eventually leave too or the amount of time they spend here would decrease significantly over time. I'm all for trying to improve the post quality and discussions but at the same time a dead forum would also be pretty boring. It's just gonna be be a shame to all the quality posters though who just appreciate being able to get a little bitcoin for something they would do anyway and unfortunately it's gonna be the shitters that spoil it for everyone else.

This makes it sound that you think "half the people" post only because of sig campaigns. Do you really think so?

And if yes - why would it be a bad thing if they stopped posting?

You think this is funny? How about you report them so something can be done about it? This type of behavior is what is going to spoil it for everyone else and get campaigns banned entirely. I've long said that signature campaigns could actually help improve the post quality here but only if signature campaign managers don't allow shitposters onto their campaigns in the first place and kick any that start off but I'm getting to the point where I'd rather just signatures/campaigns be banned themselves because it would put a stop to all this bullshit in an instant.


Not any more. Banned him for copying and pasting content. He'll probably have alts though or just create a new account or buy one out of his signature earnings and join another campaign so ultimately futile in the end.


If campaigns aren't just banned outright then punishing campaign managers is something that needs to be done and I've suggested this to theymos a couple of times but no response. I know it would work to a good extent because businesses don't want to have their accounts here suspended because their presence is vital to them. I pestered secondstrade for months to do something about their campaign and they did nothing until I left him negative feedback for it then he actually started to deny people for poor posts rather than accept every single person and there has been a noticeable difference but I still don't think he's doing enough. That's where bans should come in. There needs to be repercussions because once campaigns realise they're going to get their accounts banned they will either step up their game, hire someone to do their job for them or just close the campaign.



Sadly true. If we don't try do something about it now it wont be long before the only people posting here are Indonesians and Filipinos with their entire friends and family posting away on ten accounts each all just stating 'we all hope to make profit because bitcoin is good because you can make profit which is nice' over and over again reworded ever so slightly.


Well this is certainly the dilemma isn't it. It's a catch 22 because the quality would obviously instantly improve if we did that and I'm getting to the point where I think it's going to be the only solution to put an end to it, but in doing that it's obvious we'd lose a massive amount of traffic and new users signing up which is kinda priceless to the forum. If campaigns were banned I wouldn't be surprised if the forum became pretty dead and half the people just left (though obviously this would be preferential to those that just want decent discussion). Personally, I think it's about finding a balance but there really needs to be some fear of punishments and people losing their accounts if they take the piss and abuse the system otherwise nothing is going to change.

Plausible. Thank your "friend" for making this place what it is.

My point is simple: 95% of the posts on this forum are now insipid, illiterate spam.
If I was new to Bitcoin, and came to this forum to learn, I'd assume that bitcoin enthusiasts are fucking greedy morons.
Would further assume that bitcoin enthusiasts are too lazy to read and/or have the attention span of a fruit fly, because the same inane drivel gets repeated, again and again, within the same thread by what appears to be different users.
I would also be lead to believe that most bitcoin enthusiasts are gamblers, because most posts are appended with "bitcoin casino" ads.

Then I would leave & tell my friends to stay the fuck away from Bitcoin.

BTW, not a Grammar Nazi, my own grammar is shit. Have no problem with broken English, it's not my native language.
What I do have trouble with is dumb, vapid trash that's posted in broken English. If I wanted to discredit Bitcoin, that's what I'd do: start asinine posts like

...and make sure that everything looks like it's typed up by a 5-year-old.
Clearer?


The Einsteins on this forum have been driven away; this forum is unsuitable for lerned, or any, discussions. Only suitable for spamming.
4chan haz tonier discourse. Better grammar, too.

To think, all of this started because a newbie user with 16 posts started a thread to insult Bitcoiners on this forum. When I asked what the point was and why this thread was

started the user started with personal insults. When I did not give attention to his insults, he/she turned to PM's. I am not going to entertain this and will continue posting

constructive content in other threads. This is a poor start for a newbie on a forum like this or just a sock puppet account from another older user. Whatever this is.. it is still a

waste of time. { Check his post history... ETH shill and bashing Bitcoiners }

Well, I can't say for sure but I know that several suggestions (in regards to solving/mitigating the problem) have been declined.

Correct, I dislike the current situation as well. If you have any suggestions in mind in order to solve it without banning signature campaigns altogether, please do make a thread about it (@everyone).

That is definitely the wrong word.

ahh got it. anyway, it seems, that so called "administration" prefer amount of users / posts over quality > this automatically means, that users generating quality posts leaving over time and only whores remains.

such stupid decision..anyway, thanks for reply, I guess, that we are one same boat on this..

I don't like the word greedier, I prefer the word "wiser". Bitcoin people knows how hard it is to earn money because we've all spent a lot of time in front of our screens. We've seen the hard work of ourselves and that makes a man wiser and wiser.