Are floppy disks safe to store wallets? - page 4.

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Quote from: GoldBit89 on May 26, 2016, 05:56:02 AM

The United States Nuclear program still uses the floppy disks since 1976. Thats 40 years of usage and while they are are being finally phased out by end of 2017, i would say 40 years is not a bad run.

the article just posted on may 25th 2016 is here : http://time.com/4348494/pentagon-nuclear-floppy-disks/

"If it is not broken, don't fix it?" mindset? But that legacy system that is running for so many years had its ROI many times over.

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The United States Nuclear program still uses the floppy disks since 1976. Thats 40 years of usage and while they are are being finally phased out by end of 2017, i would say 40 years is not a bad run.

the article just posted on may 25th 2016 is here : http://time.com/4348494/pentagon-nuclear-floppy-disks/

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In other news, US military uses 8-inch floppy disks to coordinate nuclear force operations.

Beyond pure nostalgia, you've got to tell me why the sudden love for floppy disks all around. I've been using them for plenty of time back in the days (both 5.25'' and 3.5''), and these are the words that will stay associated with them, as well as the distinctive noise of the step motor in much moments:

Code:

General failure reading drive A:
CRC Error

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Quote from: Cyaren on May 22, 2016, 04:43:42 AM

To my understanding, floppy disks provide the same security measures as USB disks. Except they are a bit more dusty, and floppy Tongue

Keep in mind that you won't be able to access your bitcoins if you ever need them for an emergency situation on most PCs and laptops. Nobody uses floppy disks anymore. As long as you keep it completely offline, it'd be safe. But a USB stick would be way more accessible.

that's what i think,storage like USB disk,CD or floppy disk,have same security and its all safe,and one that make different on floppy disk its a rare device,you might unable open floppy disk on every computer,you need you grandpa computer to open floppy disk.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on May 18, 2016, 12:14:07 PM

I was doing some cleaning on my room and I found some floppy disks, they are around 15 years old! from the Sony brand. I don't have a floppy disk device anymore on my computer, so I used an older computer because I was curious to see if they would still work.
To my surprise, they worked and all the files were accessible.

This made me think that, you could store some Bitcoin related stuff in floppy disks too? Obviously having backups in other places too.. but floppy disks may be yet another cheap way to store files. If I put my seed key in a txt (compressed in a 7z file with a pass) and my wallet.dat file on that floppy disk, it would have lasted for 15 years. I hope that if I do this, in the next 15 years when I find the floppy disks again, I will be rich Cheesy

Floppy disks are really old, i still have some lying around too. If you have an old model pc that accepts PC you could probably use it but its quite risky because these kind of things can be erased due to magnetic interference. I suggest you keep them really safe and dust free otherwise just don't use them at all.

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Such a long time gone, when I last saw a floppy disk.

Really miss you floppy.

Things are modernizing day by day, so we will always miss our old stuffs.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on May 18, 2016, 12:14:07 PM

I was doing some cleaning on my room and I found some floppy disks, they are around 15 years old! from the Sony brand. I don't have a floppy disk device anymore on my computer, so I used an older computer because I was curious to see if they would still work.
To my surprise, they worked and all the files were accessible.

This made me think that, you could store some Bitcoin related stuff in floppy disks too? Obviously having backups in other places too.. but floppy disks may be yet another cheap way to store files. If I put my seed key in a txt (compressed in a 7z file with a pass) and my wallet.dat file on that floppy disk, it would have lasted for 15 years. I hope that if I do this, in the next 15 years when I find the floppy disks again, I will be rich Cheesy

its safe just because not many people use floppy disk nowdays,but its not safe if you lost that floppy disk because sometime you will forgot that you keep your wallet on that floppy disk,why are you forget?because you will rare to use that device.

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1.44MB... I used to format them as a kid with maxidisk DMF style to get 1.66MB Wink

The original windows 95 set up disks were on DMF formatted floppies to hold more, you could format any 1.44MB floppy DMF style.

Might be able to store 1 - 2 blocks per disk depending on transaction volume, imagine trying to sync the blockchain from floppies Wink

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Quote from: matt4054 on May 22, 2016, 05:36:42 AM

Quote from: Holliday on May 18, 2016, 12:38:06 PM

No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_degradation

Probably the best post yet.

Floppy disks aren't safe to store anything. Period.

There are plenty of alternatives whose degradation is much more manageable.

Floppy disks are only good for short-term storage, it was widely used before so it kinda 'was' good for storage.
Well, considerin the current technology that we have, it's nowhere near 'good' anymore.
USBs aren't even a good alternative just to say. The longevity of USBs aren't that much long either.

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Use a texta and write the private key on the floppy disk might be the best solution

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Quote from: Monnt on May 22, 2016, 05:34:18 AM

Quote from: Cyaren on May 22, 2016, 04:43:42 AM

To my understanding, floppy disks provide the same security measures as USB disks. Except they are a bit more dusty, and floppy Tongue

Keep in mind that you won't be able to access your bitcoins if you ever need them for an emergency situation on most PCs and laptops. Nobody uses floppy disks anymore. As long as you keep it completely offline, it'd be safe. But a USB stick would be way more accessible.

A floppy disk is an ancient USB. Has the same "plug & play" principle, but has alot of storage (32 MB lel) and is floppy!

IIRC a floppy is a strip of magnetic tape. Doesn't seem very good longevity wise.

3.5" floppy disk has a size of 1.44 MB. It's one of the worst ideas of storing any data for long-term Cheesy

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Quote from: Holliday on May 18, 2016, 12:38:06 PM

No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_degradation

Probably the best post yet.

Floppy disks aren't safe to store anything. Period.

There are plenty of alternatives whose degradation is much more manageable.

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Quote from: Cyaren on May 22, 2016, 04:43:42 AM

To my understanding, floppy disks provide the same security measures as USB disks. Except they are a bit more dusty, and floppy Tongue

Keep in mind that you won't be able to access your bitcoins if you ever need them for an emergency situation on most PCs and laptops. Nobody uses floppy disks anymore. As long as you keep it completely offline, it'd be safe. But a USB stick would be way more accessible.

A floppy disk is an ancient USB. Has the same "plug & play" principle, but has alot of storage (32 MB lel) and is floppy!

IIRC a floppy is a strip of magnetic tape. Doesn't seem very good longevity wise.

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Quite an interesting concept, but keep in mind that Floppy disks will be used on the computer is an old version and if indeed it can be done to save the data of the Bitcoin. Then you also have to keep the old version of the computer in order to operate your Bitcoin. Dreams that might be realized when world-renowned Bitcoin and 80% of people use the Bitcoin for each transaction

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To my understanding, floppy disks provide the same security measures as USB disks. Except they are a bit more dusty, and floppy Tongue

Keep in mind that you won't be able to access your bitcoins if you ever need them for an emergency situation on most PCs and laptops. Nobody uses floppy disks anymore. As long as you keep it completely offline, it'd be safe. But a USB stick would be way more accessible.

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Quote from: mcduff on May 22, 2016, 12:41:13 AM

Forget floppies they degrade over time (even CDs do).

Actually, everything degrades over time in this world.

I believe CDs are much more reliable than magnetic tapes, even if not "perfectly" stored.

I have CD that are over a decade old and can still be read flawlessly. Given the careless way they were treated for all these years, it is a great achievement and a good solution for not so "short term" backups.

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Quote from: thejaytiesto on May 18, 2016, 12:14:07 PM

I was doing some cleaning on my room and I found some floppy disks, they are around 15 years old! from the Sony brand. I don't have a floppy disk device anymore on my computer, so I used an older computer because I was curious to see if they would still work.
To my surprise, they worked and all the files were accessible.

This made me think that, you could store some Bitcoin related stuff in floppy disks too? Obviously having backups in other places too.. but floppy disks may be yet another cheap way to store files. If I put my seed key in a txt (compressed in a 7z file with a pass) and my wallet.dat file on that floppy disk, it would have lasted for 15 years. I hope that if I do this, in the next 15 years when I find the floppy disks again, I will be rich Cheesy

In the next 15 years, you will find that your floppy disk has been damaged and the wallet data in it is lost, lol. Better print your private key in a laminated paper. Then put in your attic, and hope in the next 15 years that paper wallet is not eaten by rats Cheesy

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Forget floppies they degrade over time (even CDs do).

I had a box of 100 floppies stored in a cool, dark place and 10 years later many were totally unreadable.

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I saw floppy disks and was thinking back to how they used to get damaged from to much sunlight and had to be kept in their envelops. Damn that was a long time ago,crazy how times have changed.
Have seen a lot of discussion and no real solid way to really protect yourself long term,seems like there is a business idea some where here to be hatched for protecting data in general.

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instead of a floppy disk save it on to a usb pen drive floppy disks are going way too back in the 90's and it won't be a good way to save data because they can get corrupted and damaged easily. To me it just looks like flat fragile plastic which wasn't engineered tough enough like a hard disk drive.

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