Are key scramblers effective in beating keyloggers to protect our btc wallets?

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Quote from: NorrisK on June 25, 2015, 03:22:53 PM

What about the hitman pro alert stuff? It basically protects your browser from any suspicious activity and is also supposed to block stuff coming from ads that are compromised. Sounds pretty good to have as a backup during browsing.

isn't this not free? how much is the cost, i don't want to pay for protecting my ass, when if i follow simple rules no hacker can hack anything

the best antivirus is still your brain

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What about the hitman pro alert stuff? It basically protects your browser from any suspicious activity and is also supposed to block stuff coming from ads that are compromised. Sounds pretty good to have as a backup during browsing.

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Quote from: jertsy on June 25, 2015, 02:17:50 PM

Quote from: PolarPoint on June 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

A rootkit virus is capable of hiding itself from most regular anti-virus software, and it can have associated keyloggers and other malicious tools. Often the only way to detect a rootkit is to scan a computer by booting from a live anti-virus scanning CD, which runs without starting the computer's normal operating system.

A number of anti-virus software companies have live CDs available, or software to make bootable thumb drives.

I'll look for those CDs which have bootscan. Thx

Quote from: Amph on June 25, 2015, 02:24:08 PM

i'm using malwarebyte, too, and while i found it to be a beast, i still added malware anti-exploit and zemana antilogger, also hitmanpro for some searching from time to time

but your best bet it is to not download anything that has not any digital sign, if you follow this, it is impossible to be hacked

I'll download those too for added security, I usually scan all the files I download before opening them up (even though real time protection is enabled) because not all files available on net can be digitally signed. Thx for the info on extra security products.

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No any "key scrambler" can be defeated. They just provide a false sense of security.

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Quote from: jertsy on June 25, 2015, 02:17:50 PM

Quote from: PolarPoint on June 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

A rootkit virus is capable of hiding itself from most regular anti-virus software, and it can have associated keyloggers and other malicious tools. Often the only way to detect a rootkit is to scan a computer by booting from a live anti-virus scanning CD, which runs without starting the computer's normal operating system.

A number of anti-virus software companies have live CDs available, or software to make bootable thumb drives.

Thanks for your answer. I heard of rootkits, my impression of them is possible to detect, but extremely troublesome to remove. Computer security is too complicated for most people and this is bad news for new bitcoin users.

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Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:55:46 PM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 25, 2015, 01:23:42 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on June 25, 2015, 01:34:21 AM

Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless.

Also, do you mind telling which products you have been using for security? I try to keep my coins on an offline computer as much as possible but I need to keep a few on the live one as sometimes I am not able to access the offline machine.

A huge part of my bitcoins (600+) are stored in the deep cold storage & all payments from it will be signed offline. But, a small portion of coins (about 100+) are online. And I'm using currently "Bitdefender Total Security 2015" & also I encrypted all my private files on my laptop.

But, I always feel insecurity ..............

Quote from: PolarPoint on June 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

I use MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and it usually is pretty thorough in detecting unwanted things but I still feel a bit insecure and I do have encrypted keys and other important files and they're all backed up but I have seen people reporting on this forum besides having all the security in the world, they got hacked and lost their coins and usually the explanation people give to that is someone must have stole the key, but to decrypt the key one must know the password so there must be some key loggers that are getting pass AV's radar.

i'm using malwarebyte, too, and while i found it to be a beast, i still added malware anti-exploit and zemana antilogger, also hitmanpro for some searching from time to time

but your best bet it is to not download anything that has not any digital sign, if you follow this, it is impossible to be hacked

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Quote from: PolarPoint on June 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

A rootkit virus is capable of hiding itself from most regular anti-virus software, and it can have associated keyloggers and other malicious tools. Often the only way to detect a rootkit is to scan a computer by booting from a live anti-virus scanning CD, which runs without starting the computer's normal operating system.

A number of anti-virus software companies have live CDs available, or software to make bootable thumb drives.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 25, 2015, 01:23:42 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on June 25, 2015, 01:34:21 AM

Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless.

Also, do you mind telling which products you have been using for security? I try to keep my coins on an offline computer as much as possible but I need to keep a few on the live one as sometimes I am not able to access the offline machine.

A huge part of my bitcoins (600+) are stored in the deep cold storage & all payments from it will be signed offline. But, a small portion of coins (about 100+) are online. And I'm using currently "Bitdefender Total Security 2015" & also I encrypted all my private files on my laptop.

But, I always feel insecurity ..............

Quote from: PolarPoint on June 25, 2015, 01:43:09 PM

Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

I use MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and it usually is pretty thorough in detecting unwanted things but I still feel a bit insecure and I do have encrypted keys and other important files and they're all backed up but I have seen people reporting on this forum besides having all the security in the world, they got hacked and lost their coins and usually the explanation people give to that is someone must have stole the key, but to decrypt the key one must know the password so there must be some key loggers that are getting pass AV's radar.

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Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

This I want to know too. I would think keyloggers are easy to detect for antivirus and malware scanners. My antivirus does a complete scan of my hard drive once a week and I keep my windows updated, should that be enough for a someone who doesn't visit doggy sites?

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Quote from: twister on June 25, 2015, 01:14:57 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on June 25, 2015, 01:34:21 AM

Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless.

Also, do you mind telling which products you have been using for security? I try to keep my coins on an offline computer as much as possible but I need to keep a few on the live one as sometimes I am not able to access the offline machine.

A huge part of my bitcoins (600+) are stored in the deep cold storage & all payments from it will be signed offline. But, a small portion of coins (about 100+) are online. And I'm using currently "Bitdefender Total Security 2015" & also I encrypted all my private files on my laptop.

But, I always feel insecurity ..............

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Quote from: Kprawn on June 25, 2015, 01:34:21 AM

Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

Are all key loggers picked up by Antiviruses or are there any that might trick AV into believing they're harmless?

Also, do you mind telling which products you have been using for security? I try to keep my coins on an offline computer as much as possible but I need to keep a few on the live one as sometimes I am not able to access the offline machine.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

I wouldn't bother as they tend to give a false sense of security but if you do decide to get one I'd recommend paying for a full version and avoid the free ones (and cracked copies for obvious reasons) as they tend to be very limited.

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Quote from: Kprawn on June 25, 2015, 01:34:21 AM

Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

I saw that movie too. What was it called? just kidding.
I read that the sound from the keyboard (clicking sound) can be used to train the a program to map the sound to each keystroke. Pretty advance stuff.

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I don't think they would, since they intercept keystrokes before it reaches any other software so they should have it in the exact same pattern as you typed.

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Quote from: manselr on June 25, 2015, 06:24:59 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 24, 2015, 02:16:56 PM

there is a trick you can do to fuck those malware-keylogger or whatever they are

you need to write the password in a non standard way

for example your password is helloworld(just to make it simple), then you write h(space)l(delete)eo(delete)lo(space)w(y)(delete)o(space)r(7)(delete)l(and)d

in this way his keylogger will acquire 21 characters when your password is only made with 10

There are keyloggers that will show you when you pressed delete and space during a password prompt so they could be able to figure it out.

it must be a really advance keylogger, because i can do it with the mouse too, by highlighting it and delete it with the keyboard

you can also leave the remember password of google, so you don't need to type anything and encrypt the file that contain those

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Quote from: Amph on June 24, 2015, 02:16:56 PM

there is a trick you can do to fuck those malware-keylogger or whatever they are

you need to write the password in a non standard way

for example your password is helloworld(just to make it simple), then you write h(space)l(delete)eo(delete)lo(space)w(y)(delete)o(space)r(7)(delete)l(and)d

in this way his keylogger will acquire 21 characters when your password is only made with 10

There are keyloggers that will show you when you pressed delete and space during a password prompt so they could be able to figure it out.

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Also remember to physically close your built-in webcam, if you are using a notebook. I have heard about people who were recording keystrokes via the webcam access and mirrors in the room.

Keep your Anti-virus / Firewalls etc. updated and they would catch most of these nasty malicious thingies.

I use a combination of different products and I have been relatively lucky sofar. This is why 2FA and Multi Sig are so important. Make it as difficult as possible. Huh

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Quote from: Amph on June 24, 2015, 02:16:56 PM

there is a trick you can do to fuck those malware-keylogger or whatever they are

you need to write the password in a non standard way

for example your password is helloworld(just to make it simple), then you write h(space)l(delete)eo(delete)lo(space)w(y)(delete)o(space)r(7)(delete)l(and)d

in this way his keylogger will acquire 21 characters when your password is only made with 10

great idea !

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there is a trick you can do to fuck those malware-keylogger or whatever they are

you need to write the password in a non standard way

for example your password is helloworld(just to make it simple), then you write h(space)l(delete)eo(delete)lo(space)w(y)(delete)o(space)r(7)(delete)l(and)d

in this way his keylogger will acquire 21 characters when your password is only made with 10

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Quote from: ranochigo on June 24, 2015, 08:27:57 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 24, 2015, 07:51:22 AM

Quote from: ajareselde on June 24, 2015, 07:48:12 AM

Quote from: pereira4 on June 23, 2015, 03:31:02 PM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

Virtual keyboards are no longer a safe way to input passwords. It's known now that some keyloggers will be able to know where you are clicking in the screen. It helps to beat the less ophisticate keyloggers, but it isn't the final solution.

To be more precise, those are not normal keyloggers, but rather trojans with keylogger built-in. And they have screen capture mostly by default, so using a virtual keyboard
will do nothing to protect you if you are infected.

cheers

If I do only copy paste my passwords then Huh

Most malware includes also a on screen viewer. The attacker can use it to view the password on your screen since the password has to be plain to be able to be pasted into the client itself. Furthermore, the attacker can easily hijack the clipboard which is fairly easy.

oh! then what's the best way to get rid of ?

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