Are key scramblers effective in beating keyloggers to protect our btc wallets? - page 2.

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I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

Virtual keyboards are no longer a safe way to input passwords. It's known now that some keyloggers will be able to know where you are clicking in the screen. It helps to beat the less ophisticate keyloggers, but it isn't the final solution.

To be more precise, those are not normal keyloggers, but rather trojans with keylogger built-in. And they have screen capture mostly by default, so using a virtual keyboard
will do nothing to protect you if you are infected.

cheers

If I do only copy paste my passwords then Huh

Most malware includes also a on screen viewer. The attacker can use it to view the password on your screen since the password has to be plain to be able to be pasted into the client itself. Furthermore, the attacker can easily hijack the clipboard which is fairly easy.

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Quote from: ajareselde on June 24, 2015, 07:48:12 AM

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

Virtual keyboards are no longer a safe way to input passwords. It's known now that some keyloggers will be able to know where you are clicking in the screen. It helps to beat the less ophisticate keyloggers, but it isn't the final solution.

To be more precise, those are not normal keyloggers, but rather trojans with keylogger built-in. And they have screen capture mostly by default, so using a virtual keyboard
will do nothing to protect you if you are infected.

cheers

If I do only copy paste my passwords then Huh

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Quote from: pereira4 on June 23, 2015, 03:31:02 PM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

Virtual keyboards are no longer a safe way to input passwords. It's known now that some keyloggers will be able to know where you are clicking in the screen. It helps to beat the less ophisticate keyloggers, but it isn't the final solution.

To be more precise, those are not normal keyloggers, but rather trojans with keylogger built-in. And they have screen capture mostly by default, so using a virtual keyboard
will do nothing to protect you if you are infected.

cheers

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

Virtual keyboards are no longer a safe way to input passwords. It's known now that some keyloggers will be able to know where you are clicking in the screen. It helps to beat the less ophisticate keyloggers, but it isn't the final solution.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 10:56:41 AM

ah thank you very much for your useful info. I am currently using "Bitdefender Total Security 2015". Does it protect me from "unknown" keyloggers or rootkits Huh

I would stay away from Bitdefender since I have seen very nasty viruses on systems with that installed.

Comodo Internet Security is better for the free user I'd say but it is wholly dependent on your situation and how much interaction with the security program you can handle. Sometimes Comodo prompts for access on applications that you would not recognize the underlying process that needs to complement that application. Wink

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

If you are scared of key loggers then perhaps can you make your password with two parts, first part is something you remember (like any other password). The secound part should then be a large random string of characters you have safed in a text file or email. You will then copy-past this string AFTER the password you have typed in. If someone gets the file/email with the long random string, then will they still need the password only stored in your head.

Great Idea !

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

If you are scared of key loggers then perhaps can you make your password with two parts, first part is something you remember (like any other password). The secound part should then be a large random string of characters you have safed in a text file or email. You will then copy-past this string AFTER the password you have typed in. If someone gets the file/email with the long random string, then will they still need the password only stored in your head.

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If your private keys are on a computer which is connected to the internet, your bitcoins are not safe.

Create and store your private keys on an air-gapped machine (a computer which will never be connected to the internet). I recommend Armory's software to accomplish this task (it allows for offline transaction signing, so you have some convenience with your security).

I like this ^^^^^ AND, this: http://www.ikarussecurity.com/downloads/products/download-ikarus-antivirus/

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If your private keys are on a computer which is connected to the internet, your bitcoins are not safe.

Create and store your private keys on an air-gapped machine (a computer which will never be connected to the internet). I recommend Armory's software to accomplish this task (it allows for offline transaction signing, so you have some convenience with your security).

This,

100% this.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

I personally use http://www.qfxsoftware.com/download.htm and it's pretty good and works like charm . It protects you and encrypted your keys 100% and it's pretty safe . Personal & free to use version is fine but if you want more security check the others out .

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Quote from: ajareselde on June 23, 2015, 10:10:57 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..
but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

First off, from what i can see you are searching for a way to beat trojans with built-in keyloggers, since keylogger themselfs are just recording keystrokes, and not stealing the actual wallet,
unless you are referring to online wallet, where it would record login.

While encrypting keystrokes would in theory help you protect your typed data, other things can easily get around this, like default explorer password dump, if you save password,
and using virtual keyboard would be bypassed by remote screen capture.

Whatever you choose to do, a good AV software with built in proactive defense is always the first step in securing yourself, because in case of still unknown threats, it would
monitor behaviour of started program, and isolate it in case it shows behaviour similar to those of mallware of sorts.
Then, on top of that, i guess it wouldn't hurt to have a key scrambler, but make sure you use clean paid or freeware software, because if you are setting up some secutiy, downloading
it from file sharing sites in most cases also means picking up the very thing you are trying to fight against - a trojan.

cheers

ah thank you very much for your useful info. I am currently using "Bitdefender Total Security 2015". Does it protect me from "unknown" keyloggers or rootkits Huh

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If you are infected with a keylogger then you've got bigger problems to worry about...

Fix your security issues that allowed a logger to get on to your machine in the first place.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

maybe you can also use a hardware-wallet to be even more secure:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-secure-your-coins-899253

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i think that zemana is better as a anti-keylogger, i'm using it, and it protect me like a charm

the free version is really well built, it also prevent ssl intrusion and keystroke protection, and mitb protection

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Keyscramblers only work if it is a simple keylogger and not a malware with sophisticated features. A attacker can potentially with elevated rights [by using means of exploit] bypass your key scramblers. It will not work if you don't encrypt your password though. It will also not protect you from physical keyloggers that intercepts your keyboard connection to the computer. The most effective protection is to not click on suspicious links or run/download any suspicious programs. Also, make sure you update your computer frequently.

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

If your device is already infected with keylogger I think using keyscrambler is counterproductive. You would be better with protecting your bitcoin storage with antivirus, antimalware and other defensive apps.
Scrambler is good generally good against humans or manual attempts of hacking your wallet.

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on June 23, 2015, 09:53:29 AM

Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..
but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

First off, from what i can see you are searching for a way to beat trojans with built-in keyloggers, since keylogger themselfs are just recording keystrokes, and not stealing the actual wallet,
unless you are referring to online wallet, where it would record login.

While encrypting keystrokes would in theory help you protect your typed data, other things can easily get around this, like default explorer password dump, if you save password,
and using virtual keyboard would be bypassed by remote screen capture.

Whatever you choose to do, a good AV software with built in proactive defense is always the first step in securing yourself, because in case of still unknown threats, it would
monitor behaviour of started program, and isolate it in case it shows behaviour similar to those of mallware of sorts.
Then, on top of that, i guess it wouldn't hurt to have a key scrambler, but make sure you use clean paid or freeware software, because if you are setting up some secutiy, downloading
it from file sharing sites in most cases also means picking up the very thing you are trying to fight against - a trojan.

cheers

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Quote from: ammy009 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:35 AM

I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

Interesting, never heard about this. Is there any firefox plugin that basically does this? Of course this wouldn't work for the local wallets..

but wouldn't using a virtual keyboard (clicking on the characters) a way to do this?

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I have no idea. I don't use any key scrambler. One of my friend told me that it's very effective to protect our bitcoin wallets from keyloggers. is it really Huh

which key scrambler is best ?

Please......

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