Are newbies persecuted on this forum? - page 2.

HCP

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Far too many people on DT these days with itchy trigger fingers Undecided

Simply voicing an opinion (albeit a fairly naive one), shouldn't result in a user getting tagged... red or otherwise. If they had continued to "shill" for SetupVPN by continually posting the same stuff regarding SetupVPN and actively promoting it etc after being educated that this particularly VPN service is not great, then I could probably understand a tag.

But to come out swinging with a trust rating based on a single post, and a simple hunch that this is an alt account with absolutely zero proof is inappropriate in my opinion. I'm glad the rating was at least downgraded to a neutral... I still don't agree with the wording though.

~KiD~

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 05:23:35 AM

1st post ever in bitcointalk forum:

Quote from: ~KiD~ on February 20, 2020, 07:42:44 AM

I use Brave extension (chromium based) SetupVPN which is very easy to use and reliable.

Quote from: ~KiD~ on February 21, 2020, 04:55:07 AM

I do not promote any product

Very easy
You are just a fake newbie, and you are not being persecuted, just NOT trusted by me.
http://archive.ph/iZHsh

Trust feedback is not permanent, and it can change...in future.

Like The Pharmacist said that thread poped into my eyes because it was at the top of Beginers & Help section. I have nothing to do with the thread initiator - you can ask an admin to check our IP - since ironically (if we look at the subject we duscuss) I don't use VPN to connect to this forum.

About:
"When asked what VPN to use in that topic I posted my answer with multiple reviews and comparisons.
What triggered me to give feedback to this KID is that after me and o_e_l_e_o o
said specific bad things regarding that VPN, KID registers and pops up again with same 'reliable' VPN recommendation."

I didn't read the whole thread discussion, I didn't know you said is a bad VPN, I just answered the question.

To BubbleButtBabe
"What happens if you get a negative trust? You can post messages and read but not sell items ?"

I don't trade anything in here, but I don't like when someone puts the tag: "not trusted shitVPN promoter" without any proof, just because he feels it.

BubbleButtBabe

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Quote from: ~KiD~ on February 21, 2020, 05:06:17 AM

Yesterday I joined the forum, and after 1 post I got negative trust just because someone don't trust me.
How can someone say "I don't trust you!" after one post and accuse you that you are promoting a product?

Quote from: ~KiD~ on February 20, 2020, 07:42:44 AM

I use Brave extension (chromium based) SetupVPN which is very easy to use and reliable.
Just try multiple VPN providers and choose one that fits your needs.

The thread name is: Which VPN to pick? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/which-vpn-to-pick-5225792

Hey, i spent some time researching the best vpn to use, and brave is a very widely used an higjly recommended.
May be this member has made a small error.
What happens if you get a negative trust? You can post messages and read but not sell items ?
If you dont want to sell items or trade you will not find any disadvantage.
The rules are allowing vpn but you may pay to join a small fee to start of micro satoshi.
Not a good start for you im sorry.
I notice not negative right now and change to black not red. All is okay dont be persecuted.

The Cryptovator

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I am not agree for negative feedback on that case. Since OP was newbie a warning via PM would be appropriate. And its seems @dkbit98 and some others already explained to OP about that VPN. Newbies won't expert always what they should post and what they shouldn't post. If there is no obvious scam case then we shouldn't treat newbies with red tag IMO.

However, neutral isn't harmful so it's fine for now. Just keep him in eye if he is shilling again. Posting VPN related thread about VPN at once wouldn't consider as shill.

dkbit98

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I am not against VPN.
When asked what VPN to use in that topic I posted my answer with multiple reviews and comparisons.
What triggered me to give feedback to this KID is that after me and o_e_l_e_o o
said specific bad things regarding that VPN, KID registers and pops up again with same 'reliable' VPN recommendation.

Now, my intention was to protect any other real newbies from using that VPN, but anyone can use whatever shit they want in the end.

I rest my case, as I am not a fan of endless Reputation wars.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on February 21, 2020, 06:28:42 AM

I just did a small search on the cause of conflict which is SetupVPN and while i can not confirm how good it is or endorse it. It has quite a number of users using it's extension. so if that is OP's choice then let him use it.

I don't know anything about SetupVPN, but it doesn't sound like OP is promoting it, just giving his opinion about it (albeit in a pretty low-value post). I don't think he should have gotten tagged for that. It might look like he created an account for the purpose of shilling that VPN, but it could well be the first thread he saw that caught his eye.

And no, OP, newbies usually aren't given an instant red trust like you got. As I said, I don't think you were deserving of a neg--but we'll see what the rest of the community has to say.

YOSHIE

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What should be debated, opinions, suspicions or whatnot.

VPN: All have their own opinions.

See the boss who said it;

Quote from: Vod on January 11, 2019, 05:17:31 PM

I use NordVPN to connect each of my home PCs on a different IP address. It's so reliable I am on it 24x7 and don't notice any issues.

now what is the conclusion.....

Problem with SetupVPN I've seen this account that post: suggested it.

evan45245

Quote from: evan45245 on February 20, 2018, 05:10:14 PM

I also hope iOS app gets released, would be so cool for a Cryptonote coin. And to use Crex if you're on chrome download the SetupVPN extension and set country to UK or any other besides US/Canada.

Then there is also https://tradeogre.com

however...

dkbit98

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 21, 2020, 07:47:29 AM

Glad they paid you, but the case was not the same for me.

Other DT members also don't agree with you, not just me.
And I did ask Roobet several times to talk with you.

Back to the ~KiD~ case:
He now has neutral feedback and I am monitoring him.
Lets see if he is a genuine innocent newbie or something else.

yahoo62278

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 07:42:30 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 21, 2020, 07:31:15 AM

No need to get testy man. I can take criticism without getting mad.

I am not being mad and I can be wrong, as I said my feedback can change easily,
but more mess was created with that campaign with ripple effects.
If you trust Yobit exchange and ~KiD~ that is your choice.

For example are you being mad here or not?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2688418

Is this Scam accusation still valid?
I was involved in similar case but I changed my feedback to neutral.

We are getting off topic here, but that particular case is not the same as this 1. Roobet accepted a bet(their own coding flaw), I won the bet, they refused to pay it. They stole 9k and lost a player over it. I did not go nuts in their gambling thread and try to ruin their business. I posted a thread stating what happened, left a fair rating due to the fact they just dismissed my claim, and went on about my business.

Glad they paid you, but the case was not the same for me.

dkbit98

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 21, 2020, 07:31:15 AM

No need to get testy man. I can take criticism without getting mad.

I am not being mad and I can be wrong, as I said my feedback can change easily,
but more mess was created with that campaign with ripple effects.
If you trust Yobit exchange and ~KiD~ that is your choice.

For example are you being mad here or not?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2688418

Is this Scam accusation still valid?
I was involved in similar case but I changed my feedback to neutral.

yahoo62278

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 07:26:28 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 21, 2020, 07:22:30 AM

This type of feedback is unwarranted from DT period. You wanna give anything it should be a neutral rating, but giving a neg is IMO abusing the trust system. Is the VPN stealing users info or scamming someone? If so, then red tag him. If not, change to neutral.

OK changed to neutral.

You should also change a bunch of your feedback Yahoo.
Remember that you are also DT and campaign manager.
Remember Yobit campaign?

Period.

Point out which feedbacks you feel should be changed and i'll have a look. As far as Yobit goes, you have the option to tag me, ~ me, or go on with life. I asked for community opinion before opening that particular campaign. You may or may not have posted your opinion, but those who did post(other DT members), were for a manager vs no manager.

No need to get testy man. I can take criticism without getting mad.

dkbit98

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on February 21, 2020, 07:22:30 AM

This type of feedback is unwarranted from DT period. You wanna give anything it should be a neutral rating, but giving a neg is IMO abusing the trust system. Is the VPN stealing users info or scamming someone? If so, then red tag him. If not, change to neutral.

OK changed to neutral.

You should maybe also change a bunch of your feedback Yahoo.
Remember that you are also DT and campaign manager.
Remember Yobit campaign?

Period.

yahoo62278

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This type of feedback is unwarranted from DT period. You wanna give anything it should be a neutral rating, but giving a neg is IMO abusing the trust system. Is the VPN stealing users info or scamming someone? If so, then red tag him. If not, change to neutral.

dkbit98

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on February 21, 2020, 06:28:42 AM

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He can use whatever he wants, BUT creating new account just to promote and recommend that product - NO.
As far as I know he can be some gov. agent or spy so I will not help him to get data from all bitcointalk users.
If you want to do so be my guest.

He obviously have other accounts here, and he can use them if he wants to talk.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on February 18, 2020, 09:26:08 AM

Quote from: https://setupvpn.com/pp/

SetupVPN may ask you to provide personal information, such as your e-mail address, name, home address, or telephone number. We may also collect information about how you interact with SetupVPN sites and services. For example, we may use site analysis tools to retrieve information from your browser, including the site you came from, the search engine and keywords you used to find our site, the pages you view within our site, your browser add-ons, and your browser’s width and height. We may also use technologies, such as cookies, to collect information about the pages you view, the links you click, and other actions you perform on our sites and products. Additionally, we collect certain standard information that your browser sends to every website you visit, such as your IP address, browser type and language, access times, and referring Web site addresses.

So they collect your real name and address, and log everything you do while using their product. That's not a VPN, that's a surveillance program. If you are using this, I would recommend uninstalling it immediately.

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This topic is best fitted for the Reputations Board so as to get more input for other DT members. OP move it there if you don't mind.

I just did a small search on the cause of conflict which is SetupVPN and while i can not confirm how good it is or endorse it. It has quite a number of users using it's extension. so if that is OP's choice then let him use it.

@dkbit98 i think there is no need of tagging OP just because he said he prefers using SetupVPN unless you have proof that they are scammers or are malicious. Remember you are of DT and every single decision you make can have a ripple effect.
If you have been very observant, look at the older members. Some even voluntarily wanted to get blacklisted from DT because of the aftermath of their earlier actions.

I always keep echoing this. If we go one tagging each and every new person here just because they mentioned or promoted a website we never used or don't know then we are headed for a bad atmosphere for genuine newbies.
Just remember that we were all newbies at one point. Let's go slow when making decisions to tag Wink

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on February 21, 2020, 06:07:36 AM

Note: I’ve read the VPN thread before providing the above answer, No need to participate there to gather the context I needed.

True.
But I can judge situation better than you (in this case),
and as I said my feedback can change easy if I am proven wrong.

or ~KiD~ can just continue to use his other accounts in this forum

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Quote from: tataren on February 21, 2020, 06:00:18 AM

I got the impression that if you just registered here, then you are like nobody here. So in principle it is, but I would like posts to not be deleted. For example, my post was published in the topic about Bitcoin and decentralization, here is the text:

As for me I still believe in bitcoin decentralization. Especially I believe more and more after all the events with money and banks in the world..

so what's wrong???

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

You shouldn't only make post just only believe, i agree, etc.
This is same example if you post only say "Bitcoin will pump to $999999999999999999999....." but you didn't say the reason or the point of your post.
Try to learn and read much more in this forum before you want to make post
You should read the rules to make you more understand https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

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Quote from: tataren on February 21, 2020, 06:00:18 AM

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As for me I still believe in bitcoin decentralization. Especially I believe more and more after all the events with money and banks in the world..

so what's wrong???

Your post was probably reported for "low content value" (aka spam to some extent). That is one of the main reasons for post getting deleted, and although many posts of the kind will remain undeleted, some are reported and, if the moderator agrees, will be removed.

I’d suggest to elaborate more on your opinion there. The above is a simple one-liner summary, but I’m sure if you rattle your brain a bit more you’ll come up with a better versed and argument-backed type narrative in your post.

Bottom line is that posts that are social media chat-type (Telegram,WhatsApp, and so forth) fall short here in general, as the forum is more on discussing with a wee futher depth than on social platforms.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 06:06:57 AM

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Precisely. The forum is opinion based, and therefore we can differ. For rules and DT stuff there are hints on how they apply, and as such, I consider that @theymo’s quoted post is applicable to my standards. Again, you’re free to differ.

Note: I’ve read the VPN thread before providing the above answer, No need to participate there to gather the context I needed.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 06:14:35 AM

<...>But I can judge situation better than you,
and as I said my feedback can change easy if I am proven wrong

Whatever...

dkbit98

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on February 21, 2020, 05:47:36 AM

Bearing that in mind, negative trust here is uncalled for in my opinion.

That is your opinion, but I participated in discussion about VPN, and you did not.
He created new account with specific purpose to promote this specific shitVPN and posted 3 minutes after registration.

tataren

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I got the impression that if you just registered here, then you are like nobody here. So in principle it is, but I would like posts to not be deleted. For example, my post was published in the topic about Bitcoin and decentralization, here is the text:

As for me I still believe in bitcoin decentralization. Especially I believe more and more after all the events with money and banks in the world..

so what's wrong???

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