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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

You have perfectly described the question that I have been thinking about for weeks: but instead of dice, I compared slots with red-black in my head. The odds in the slots are unclear. Yesterday I scrolled through them 6 times and got absolutely nothing... I don't understand what chance I had to win and how many - the fields in the slots are spinning, something is glowing, but what's the point?

Recently, there was a tournament from FortunJack here on the forum in which the guys measured multipliers, who got more. Some had a coefficient of 31 for a deposit of $150. One guy got a multiplier of 170! But how much had he played before that?

I realized one thing for myself - the slots will rob me. It's better to play something else.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

My experience with slots is the same experience with playing golf. I play slots for entertainment, as a hobby. When I go to an onsite casino, it is just another hobby, I go with friends and have drinks and have a good time, and sometimes we do win. I do understand volatility and RTP to an extent but I do not pressure myself into understanding its internal workings. The thing with slots is that once you hit the wheel, the outcome is already determined and so I do not bother with trying to beat it, if there is anything like that. It is just a hobby, you play today, you win. You play tomorrow you lose.

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Dice and slot games are both difficult to win because they are related to one's luck. If someone is lucky, he can win the game, and vice versa. He will lose if he isn't lucky. Actually, gambling games cannot be won easily and we have to take risks by risking our money in order to win, but we will experience losses, which may increase if we cannot control ourselves. But slot games are very interesting to play because I also feel that way after playing slots for a while. Moreover, there are a lot of slot providers and they have lots of slot games so we can choose the slot game we want.

I never think about RTP or anything else because just playing normally is difficult, let alone choosing a slot game that has a high or low RTP. So in this case, I prefer the slot game that I want after looking at the list of existing slot games, especially for the slot games that have just been added to the casino.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Yes, in slot games we won't really know what's going on. it is like a gift that the operator gives to certain gamblers. This time you can get big wins in a short game. even with the smallest bets. but sometimes in a short time, our capital is used up without any wins.
slots are not for gamblers who hope to win. it only pays for fun games. just that.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

There is a level of obfuscation taking place without a doubt, however taking into account how popular slots are and how most of those that play them do not mention anything against this, I tend to think this is not an attempt by casinos to hide the truth, what we see instead is that gamblers that prefer slots do not care about that information at all, as such it makes sense that when you compare it to a game that is crystal clear about the odds you are taking and the profits you could make, slot machines may seem to be too cluttered with useless information.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on December 08, 2023, 10:36:17 PM

I agree these slot games have many rules and hard to understand, but these rules are made to make the game more interesting and unique, hence they add certain rules through which you can play the game. At many site along with the instructions, they have a video display demonstrating the slot game, if you follow that then you can understand the game more easily. But still if you don’t want to take risk for your hard earned money, then it’s better to avoid slot games.

With the many rules applied in slot games, it will certainly be a challenge for those who like the game, but with the unique appearance of the slot game and it is also very easy to understand, it makes this game difficult to win, there are even some people who like it a lot. experience defeat in slots but they still play the game because they are very confident of being able to get a big win in the game.
It would be better to avoid this game if the income we get comes from our hard work, but if we are familiar with it then it will be difficult to stop playing it again.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

In the beginning though I don't know about anything on RTP and volatility of what the slot machine that I'm going to play. I just "believed" that the bigger my bet the better chance of me hitting the bonus play or good combination with wildcards and seeing the screen going on what we call "shower".

Sooner that I learn about what is the meaning of RTP. I still play slot games though, but not that much unlike before. I just pay them to have some fun and entertainment and I don't max bet anymore. Just maybe $100 or less in one machine and see how my luck goes and that's it.

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Quote from: Chikito on December 08, 2023, 09:16:12 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

For me, if the game is very hard to understand, I will just push the button and bet it. Just simple like that. I ever learn the game to understand it and want to know how many chances I have. But, that makes a headache. Gambling is just my hobby, just to relax without thinking hard about how to win the game. So if I got the hard job on main daily, I would sit on a chair and bet the slot, I just push the button and look spinning board on a monitor. actually, that makes me relax and release all work burdens. If I think the chance to get win, which means it will only increase my work, not relaxing my life.

The thing with slots is that they are hard to understand in depth. You can't be sure of the chances to win as they are not disclosed transparently for instance.

On the other hand it is indeed very easy to play as a game. You just bet and spin. Which is something you can keep doing forever so long as you have the money for it. Maybe that's kind of the trick they want to play on players though. Make it very easy and tempting to spin, while it is hard to understand how the game's mechanics work.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Slots are the fastest way to win or lose money!
However, they are the most fun and attractive in an online casino, both due to their diversity of options and their visual appeal.

Slots were not made to be understood, as each game variation has its own combinations and probabilities that change a lot from one to the other.

What you need to know is: Only play slots what you are really willing to lose, manage your resources well and don't waste too much time on them to avoid the risk of becoming addicted.

I agree with you! Slots were made to gambling for fun as everyone consider it as their past time and you don't need to understand it or stressing yourself too much. Much better to play it with the amount that you afford to loose. Slots are of the addictive game in casino world because it is easy to use and it doesn't require any analysis and skills, just play it with fun while having a control on your finances and time to avoid financial bankruptcy.

Right , because slot is really a game of thrill and surprises that is also the reason why there are so many people including those in their senior ages that agreed with me because those old people loves to feel the thrill once again and yes they have found this in slot betting.
if you are going to Physical casinos , we can find many seniors in slot than in other table meaning they loved playing this thrill game.

Quote from: Nrcewker on December 08, 2023, 10:36:17 PM

I agree these slot games have many rules and hard to understand, but these rules are made to make the game more interesting and unique, hence they add certain rules through which you can play the game. At many site along with the instructions, they have a video display demonstrating the slot game, if you follow that then you can understand the game more easily. But still if you don’t want to take risk for your hard earned money, then it’s better to avoid slot games.

actually what OP's wanted to point mate is that Slot hide us how it works to define the winner ,
comparing to other games like Dice that there is a physical item that rotating , and in roulette that there is a wheel in which we can completely see the result transparently and same as card games that we can see the numbers in the card itself , but in slot? yeah it is just the machine that determine the winning combinations .

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I agree these slot games have many rules and hard to understand, but these rules are made to make the game more interesting and unique, hence they add certain rules through which you can play the game. At many site along with the instructions, they have a video display demonstrating the slot game, if you follow that then you can understand the game more easily. But still if you don’t want to take risk for your hard earned money, then it’s better to avoid slot games.

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Quote from: Chikito on December 08, 2023, 09:16:12 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

For me, if the game is very hard to understand, I will just push the button and bet it. Just simple like that. I ever learn the game to understand it and want to know how many chances I have. But, that makes a headache. Gambling is just my hobby, just to relax without thinking hard about how to win the game. So if I got the hard job on main daily, I would sit on a chair and bet the slot, I just push the button and look spinning board on a monitor. actually, that makes me relax and release all work burdens. If I think the chance to get win, which means it will only increase my work, not relaxing my life.

I can say you are a connoisseur. Gambling will be very fun if we really enjoy it regardless of winning or losing. But what makes you curious is why slot games feel more fun if played directly on a slot machine compared to online, right? and the chances of winning are also greater. Is this just my feeling? 😅

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Its not difficult to understand slot games and its all just about random numbers and how much luck there is but somehow many people take this slot game too seriously while slots are provided to provide fun without having to understand deeply how to win etc. for me, RTP does not affect anything because RTP sometimes does not work as we think, in fact I once only got maxwin in just 1x spin.

and related to comparing dice and slot games, both of them are equally complicated because they depend on luck and how difficult the opportunity you choose is and what is certain is that both of these games use random numbers which we dont need to think about deeply as long as we want to play, just do it if we are lucky we will get big wins after few spins.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

For me, if the game is very hard to understand, I will just push the button and bet it. Just simple like that. I ever learn the game to understand it and want to know how many chances I have. But, that makes a headache. Gambling is just my hobby, just to relax without thinking hard about how to win the game. So if I got the hard job on main daily, I would sit on a chair and bet the slot, I just push the button and look spinning board on a monitor. actually, that makes me relax and release all work burdens. If I think the chance to get win, which means it will only increase my work, not relaxing my life.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Has that been your experience too?

Gamblers are mostly risk taker and challenges they love finding something that will make them interested and that is how Slot gives its bettor , the thrill and the risk combination makes it very flattering when they won and same feeling with me when I start betting in slot.
aside from this is a game that is too easy to use, just put your bet and then starts to roll , simplest gambling for me that same reason why there are so many addiction happening inside slot gaming.

but your Points are valid , we cannot even see how it goes to bring the winning combination not like in Dice and Roulette that the outcome is in front of us that we can literally see the winning.

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With the information that casinos provide on their slot games, I find it less complicated because you'll eventually learn those words, and a couple of those terms could help you understand casino games as a whole. For me, they've become easy to learn because there are so many different types of slots, and even though some of them are slightly different, they still have the same overall concept. Back then, i'd say slot games were probably complicated because you couldn't easily find this information within the casinos and you had to search for it on a different website.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

Instead of winning chances there's terms like volatility and RTP, which make little sense unless to the individual gambler. Honestly dice was complicated enough, slots are just too much. Makes me think that it could be on purpose. Players of slots seem to be unlikely to look into these details due to how complicated it is.

Depends on each player, I myself as a slot player always look into RTP and Volatility of the slot before I played the game. It is important thing to know (at least for myself) because it is related to which game is the best to play based on the RTP and volatility. Even though it is not a guarantee that it will give a better result but at least playing games with higher RTP is better if I started with small amount and lower RTP + high-extreme volatility is good to be played when I have more funds to play or when I want to hunt big multiplier. It was complicated to understand when I knew about it for the 1st time, but experiences and learn (by reading) make it simple now.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 08, 2023, 07:04:40 PM

Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

If anyone has gotten used to gambling through crypto casinos, it's likely that they've become accustomed to games like dice. With dice everything is crystal clear: You know your winning odds and how much you are going to win if you roll within your target.
However with slots, you never know your win chance. You don't know what increasing your wager or coins does to winning chances and it's generally all so opaque.

Slots are the fastest way to win or lose money!
However, they are the most fun and attractive in an online casino, both due to their diversity of options and their visual appeal.

Slots were not made to be understood, as each game variation has its own combinations and probabilities that change a lot from one to the other.

What you need to know is: Only play slots what you are really willing to lose, manage your resources well and don't waste too much time on them to avoid the risk of becoming addicted.

I agree with you! Slots were made to gambling for fun as everyone consider it as their past time and you don't need to understand it or stressing yourself too much. Much better to play it with the amount that you afford to loose. Slots are of the addictive game in casino world because it is easy to use and it doesn't require any analysis and skills, just play it with fun while having a control on your finances and time to avoid financial bankruptcy.

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Quote from: alani123 on December 08, 2023, 05:36:36 PM

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I've long given up on trying to understand how the slot mechanics work sometimes, so I just turn off my brain and pull that lever. Granted I reckon most slots work the same under the hood, just with different values and percentages for the results so once you understand how one works, it's rather easy to understand the rest especially if you consider how jargon works all the same across all slots. I guess that's just how it goes with trying to innovate something to the max, a lot of complicated-sounding rules and whatnot come out.

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Quote from: Wiwo on December 08, 2023, 06:43:14 PM

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Gamblers fight directly with the house tooth and nail in slot games, with the odds mainly against the gambler. The more you gamble the more difficult it gets to win. That's why as a slot player you must limit the time spent, gambling, as the house edge could be a 2% winning possibility for the player. So, no need to feel bad about losing too much in the slot, or the complications involved in playing slot games. In the slot, the terminology, enjoy gambling erupts. Because if you are the type who doesn't enjoy playing slot, you'll go home very sad, due to multiple losses. I experience this a lot and battle it with playing smaller amounts. The casino can try to change my strategy by offering me wins, so that I'll wager more amount. That's where we slot players test the mansion of confidence in us, whether it's well built or just vulnerable and can be swept away by the tricks of the casino. Additionally, don't switch from one slot machine to another. Try to understand a specific slot machine or slot game. Unless you know the house edge placed on a slot game by the casino, don't place too many bets on that machine or game. Most house edge is half of one percent, you can read or research on how housing edge can be calculated. It'll help you have a clearer view of what amount to expect from the casino and how much they'll make off every single bet you stake on the slot machine. I think with this information, getting the house edge right, you won't bother about the complex nature of slot games and just enjoy the fun. Like you're playing some video games expecting to win money some days.

First the difference between slot game and dice is in the luck factors and that is why, gamblers have higher chances with dice more than slot because with dice all that the gambler need to have a winning is the luck factor and in dice the house edge is truly minimal this is why its easy for the gambler to have higher chances of winning when playing dice more than he will have with slot.

Sometimes you need some level of skill to play slot game and that is why the house have a high impact and interest in the game unlike dice where all that is needed is just to roll the dice and hit the lucky number to make a winning.

Those skills are what is been required of a gambler to know regarding the house edge and calculating how it can yield them wins, it's very crucial. I think dice are also manipulated by the casino somehow. While I was reading about using Dice rolls to create a private key, they're cases where people could predict what the outcome of a die would be, maybe the fault could be from the manufacturers; unfair die. Somehow the casino can manipulate it, but people would argue it's not possible. However, the dice games are easier to win compared to slot games. But the required skills aren't going to give us more wins compared to the number of times we'd lose money playing slots. Players will always find it difficult to enjoy slot games unless they join a comp club. Then it'll be easier for them to benefit too much while playing slot. Slot games are better played offline, in casinos, where the player would be rewarded per points and given free hotel rooms, food or even show tickets. As for online players they just have to enjoy the game win or lose.

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Things are just the same for dice and slot machines; luck is the bottomline of all outcomes likewise with roulettes. No strategy would also work in order to secure a win or at least lessen the risk of losing. RTPs and all are just another terms for "will i be winning or not". just falls between the two, in general. That's just its concept and its simplicity hooked up its players. Not all gamblers are into analysis and strategies and that's just fine. We do have our own preferences of the gambling games we would engage ourselves with. Those who thinks that slots are too complicated should just move to other games 'coz no one forced us to play in the first place.

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