Topic: Are the mods getting paid from this forum? - page 2. (Read 10731 times)

Well, there's also donations of course, which I'm sure many people now feel they made mistakes giving as the funds did not go to the purpose advertised now after 12 months.

I agree with you that if you don't want to support the business of bitcointalk.org, you shouldn't buy ads, but I think it goes a bit beyond that, down to lending credibility by even using it. I'm pondering the right thing to do right now. If it were just this, I could excuse it perhaps, but that dirty broken reputation system that is basically a toy for slander is borderline last straw.

Thanks to theymos and the mods for clearing this up. I certainly agree with the general consensus that the mods deserve payment for their efforts.

To those who are complaining about a lack of transparency; they have been completely transparent here, giving exact details as soon as they were asked. theymos even very clearly answered the question about the board's ownership.


"other useful purposes"

Paying a reasonable amount to admins and mods is exactly something everyone should expect when reading this phrase.

I went to Karaoke with Andrew a few weeks ago and he had told me about that. He basically sold that site to MtGox. I don't think he is connected to MtGox at all, but that doesn't have anything to do with the major concerns which (again) are:

• Soliciting donations from the community under the guise of creating a new forum (and never even starting said development)
• Gathering now 6000 BTC under the guise of creating a new forum and not spending on said purpose, instead spending it to pay whom Theymos wants to pay (without notice of any kind to the community before or after receiving and spending said funds)
• Developing a broken reputation system that encourages spam, extortion and removes the right to defend from the victims of such, in order to avoid giving BFL a scammer tag all while allowing BFL to continue to fund the forum with advertising revenue despite their consistent fraud

Yes, the forum is a for-profit company that is just unregistered. We have proven this in this thread already.
Yes, Theymos is free to do whatever he wants on his website. It is "none of our business".
Yes, it is a lie to continue soliciting donations under the guise of creating a new forum and the lies need to stop.
Yes, it would be better for the reputation of this for-profit unregistered company if more transparent announcements were made about what is going on with all the riches the community bestowed open it out of good will (and under the guise of something that is 12 months late).

You can argue and shoe shine this turd all you want, but without transparency, without a fair reputation management system that allows for rebuttals and petitions for removal, and most importantly, without both a clear explanation of where funds are going (no sleezy wording) before soliciting them, and actual progress on said intentions, there is no reason to support this business. All we're apparently doing is enabling laziness, taking away our right to vote further with our money (they don't need anymore), etc.

edit: Yes, it is absolutely fine to pay moderators if you must, although there is no need to on this server, with hundreds of willing trustworthy parties interested in contributing their time to a good cause. That is a different complaint for a different thread though.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-lee/38/46b/b4b

Ok, but I don't see any problem with that. http://www.howtoacceptbitcoin.com/2012/10/pay-privately-to-surf-privately.html?m=1

That was never my concern anyway so carry on with your walls of text there buddy.

Agreed. Why is this such a big deal that this thread has gotten this long?

Mtgox Live was developed by coderrr, I believe. rasengan was involved in some other way.

Agreed.

Hey, bud!

Again, the issue is not that the mods shouldn't get paid, but that it wasn't disclosed to the 100K+ members on this board who firmly believed that what they do was for gratis, thus hopefully non-bias. Unfortunately, that has now come into question, albeit not by me (currently, but...).

A handful of mods of been kind to me in the past, as well as theymos, sans the two unexpected vacations, with hopefully not a permanent vacation in the works, otherwise I may have to re-fire up Nikki-T-B.  


Google "2885 Sanford Ave SW" bitcoin (using quotes for the address), keeping the name Andrew Lee in mind.

Did you notice my post above where I shown that AL was asked point-blank if he developed a site and his reply was with a negative, yet it's proven that he was mistaken?

Did you see where Andrew Lee registered the Bitcoin Foundation Inc.?

Did you see that AL owns PIA?

Would you like to see what the BBB thinks about the pseudonyms that AL uses?

Would you like to know of the other hosting sites that AL operates?

I missed it. What were you implying with the walls of text?

The forum's server is actually hosted by nforce.nl. I'm not sure how easy it would be for the US government to force PIA to do anything regarding the server. They aren't really the forum's ISP. The server is a gift from PIA to the forum. They don't have root access or anything, though because they pay the bills, they probably have ultimate control over the server in the eyes of nforce.nl. Maybe this situation could be improved.

Honestly, I wouldn't call it "getting paid to moderate" the majority of the moderators get like $10-20 in Bitcoins per month, its more of a tip than an official paycheck. Of course the people like Theymos that spend 169 hours per week working get paid more, but its far from an organized business where you get paid an hourly wage, or salary. Its like, do you tell the IRS about the $20 you spend per month paying the neighbor boy to mow your grass? Probably not, because its fairly insignificant. Its more of a thank you for helping out, and allows a few mods to spend the bitcoins on an indulgence that they wouldn't normally tap their savings for.

not entirely. i understood it.

I think the intent of my two posts above was missed.

rasengan had something to do with MtGox Live, which was later acquired by MtGox. PIA is not owned by MtGox.

Stop it Bruno. Theymos said they moved it and I believe him (why lie about that). This just looks silly now.

Talk about a COS.

http://www.bizapedia.com/in/BITCOIN-FOUNDATION-INC.html

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-lee/38/46b/b4b


http://apt.thebigboss.org/onepackage.php?bundleid=com.mtgoxlive.trader&db=


Looks to me to be a VERY complex organizational structure (COS, for short).

The server was owned by MT.Gox some time ago, but as of now the server is hosted by Private Internet Access. I'd think that MT.Gox has nothing to do with us now.

I'm about four pages behind in this thread, so apologies if this has been addressed.

This post reminded me of something. Theymos doesn't own it. Mt Gox does. The only way theymos would be able to transfer monies as he's done is through the blessing of Mt Gox.

What is going on here? (opted to not use all caps, but am desiring an explanation if one is available)

Back to reading this enlightening thread some dude created.