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legendary
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Didn't Diablo3 get demodded in the custom hardware subforum specifically because he dared to moderate in a way Josh saw as detrimental towards BFL? Or is this an old man's faulty memory at work?

He tried to censor anyone that wanted to discuss BFL (bad or good), even went so far as to start deleting threads consisting of many pages of discussion. Remember when he moved all the threads to german off topic, then locked the only remaining BFL thread? He felt very strongly that it was a scam, and that discussion regarding BFL shouldn't be allowed or should be heavily moderated.
My post in the staff forum (before payments mind you, this was 6+ months ago).

...I think Diablo is wrong here. It isn't our job as moderators to decide what's a scam or not, and it isn't our job to restrict what information people should have (re: deleting the BFL thread as "anti-scam policy") based on nothing more than opinion/speculation. That's not why we're here, people are more than capable of making their own decisions without our interference.

I get Diablo doesn't like BFL and thinks it's a scam, and he's certainly free to express his opinion on that, but abusing his mod privileges in this way because of that is going a little too far.

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05:39 < Diablo-D3> bfl purposely had their shills start hundreds of troll threads to make it hard to find information about bfl
05:39 < Diablo-D3> I fixed the problem.
And if that's the reasoning behind moving all the BFL threads to off topic, then I gotta say I disagree with that as well. There may be specific threads that have issues, but that seems kind of a knee jerk reaction. I guess that isn't a big deal, nobody seems to care so far.

This is the whole problem with it though.

05:36 < Diablo-D3> sipa: because bfl has basically admitted there are no units and never will be

05:40 < sipa> i asked for a link
05:41 < Diablo-D3> yes, and I said go find it yourself
05:41 < Diablo-D3> it might have gotten misplaced in the cleanup

If there's a chance you're moving information like that (that appears to have solidly convinced you it's a scam) to off topic over this, or "misplacing" it, perhaps you should reconsider the standards you've set.  

This part in particular I still strongly believe "People are more than capable of making their own decisions without our interference", assuming they have access to all the information, and not just what some dude who happens to be a mod thinks they should have.  
hero member
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Didn't Diablo3 get demodded in the custom hardware subforum specifically because he dared to moderate in a way Josh saw as detrimental towards BFL? Or is this an old man's faulty memory at work?
member
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I only said stop paying yourselves with their money to eliminate suspicion.

Why should they? Ad money from BFL or anyone else is just ad money... Objectively auctioned to the highest bidder. This has not, from what I've seen, caused the moderators or administrator to pull threads negative to BFL. In fact, you'll notice that there are PLENTY of BFL flame threads on the forum.

Now, if they accepted ad money to censor negative threads against BFL then there might be cause for alarm... but I see no evidence of this. Saying you don't trust BadBear or others in charge here is a pretty bold statement when all they've done is be objective about who is allowed to post ads.

In the end we all need to make informed decisions on who we do business with and an ad on the forum without research into the company placing the ad is nieve and the responsibility of the purchasing party -- NOT the mods.

As we say on another forum, if you don't like this place then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
legendary
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Your shtick is getting old man. Like you wouldn't do the same?

No, I wouldn't do the same. I would ask for funds when I thought I needed them, use them for the intended purpose, and if that purpose were to fail, would return the funds as I always have. I understand you think I'm just barking because you don't know me or what I've accomplished in 2 years here in the community, but you're the newbie here, not me. There is no excuse for holding the funds for a year under the guise of a new forum software that has never even begun to be developed.
Haven't you heard?

When BTC goes to $10,000/coin, we'll share the bounty according to post count/sign up date/trust rating/etc.

Can't wait for 2016  Cool
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
I dunno, not giving BFL a scammer tag is perfectly consistent with other decisions so I don't get the fuss, like Pirate, Mining United, and the various other long cons. Correlation =/= causation.

I'd be fine with stopping BFL from buying ads just to stop the complaints and any perceived bias, but I suspect we'd see just as many complaints from people who don't want to see any one person deciding what content they should or shouldn't see.

And here we have the quandary, I no longer know that I can trust what you're saying because it may be biased.

I never said to stop BFL or anyone from posting here, running their own threads or limiting their voice. That's the one thing I really do appreciate about this forum. Their voice will have to compete with all the voices against them. I only said stop paying yourselves with their money to eliminate suspicion.
legendary
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I dunno, not giving BFL a scammer tag is perfectly consistent with other decisions so I don't get the fuss, like Pirate, Mining United, and the various other long cons. Correlation =/= causation.

I'd be fine with stopping BFL from buying ads just to stop the complaints and any perceived bias, but I suspect we'd see just as many complaints from people who don't want to see any one person deciding what content they should or shouldn't see.
administrator
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Logic fail.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?

No.
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Edit: misinformation is the reason to release info ahead of time. This thread could have been avoided with an early release of info.

Maybe. I suspect the result would be same either way, most of the complaints are related to forum policy in general ("you're being paid, why isn't x being done"). This thread has been mostly positive, relative to this forum anyway. I appreciate that most see the value, gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

Forum policy will always be debated. That will never stop at any forum. The problem is that distributing funds collected from the ad revenue generated by a company with a reputation that is, at the very least, tarnished and then effectively hiding it's distribution to pay people we thought worked for free looks really bad. If mgmt wants to pay for work at the forum that's fine. Good for you, most of you deserve it for doing a crappy job. But don't let us all believe this place is for the people by the people instead of just another for profit org. I now have to believe that all the complaints I've read about BFL have fallen on deaf ears because the forum is in their pocket. It could have been handled so much better than it was.
hero member
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always the student, never the master.
Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?

actually i believe he's saying its none of your fucking business, in the most polite and respectful way as possible.
hero member
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?
hero member
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always the student, never the master.
gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

You should see a doctor about that, it may be diabetes.

+1
hero member
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gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

You should see a doctor about that, it may be diabetes.
legendary
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Edit: misinformation is the reason to release info ahead of time. This thread could have been avoided with an early release of info.

Maybe. I suspect the result would be same either way, most of the complaints are related to forum policy in general ("you're being paid, why isn't x being done"). This thread has been mostly positive, relative to this forum anyway. I appreciate that most see the value, gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 
administrator
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You asked who owned the forum, and I gave you a detailed answer. Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say? No one person can shut down the forum, so I like to say that no one owns the forum. Alternatively, you could maybe say that the forum is owned by a corporation-like entity with a very unusual structure.
hero member
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Who owns it?

Depends on your definition of ownership. Different resources are controlled by different people. Private Internet Access has ultimate control of the server. Sirius owns the domain. A lot of the money is managed in accordance with the Treasury Agreements, which defines a somewhat more complex organizational structure, though these agreements don't rule the entire forum. I coordinate it all, but I have no ultimate, binding authority over anything. No one person can permanently shut down the forum.

No one said anything about shutting down, as you know that isn't the issue. The issue is operating under false pretenses. Saying it can't be shut down by one person simply means honest people will have a hard time calling out dishonesty when they see it.
administrator
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Who owns it?

Depends on your definition of ownership. Different resources are controlled by different people. Private Internet Access has ultimate control of the server. Sirius owns the domain. A lot of the money is managed in accordance with the Treasury Agreements, which defines a somewhat more complex organizational structure, though these agreements don't rule the entire forum. I coordinate it all, but I have no ultimate, binding authority over anything except the bitcoins that I hold (and I'd like to reduce this). No one person can permanently shut down the forum.
hero member
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I do. Here's the truth: The forum is in reality a giant prank instigated by me to make fun of Bitcoiners.

I'm sorry you had to learn it this way.  Sad

Did you also make BFL?
legendary
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Away on an extended break
The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.

Who owns it?

Sirius owns the domain, and theymos owns the server.

At least that's what I guess I understand here...
hero member
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I do. Here's the truth: The forum is in reality a giant prank instigated by me to make fun of Bitcoiners.

I'm sorry you had to learn it this way.  Sad
hero member
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.

Who owns it?
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