Topic: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies? - page 2. (Read 2476 times)

Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries

The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

The whole world knows who to blame for what is now happening in Ukraine and not only.

Yeah sure... we know that you don't want the OSCE in the frontline, as otherwise they will expose the current silent genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev junta against the civilian population of Donbass. The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable.

How can you believe such a report?

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On 12 February the SMM visited in Luhansk city a number of areas affected by shelling which occurred at 00:15hrs the same day. On Stara Mogila Street (approximately 6km south-east of the city centre), the SMM spoke to a de-mining team from the “ministry for emergency situations” of the “LPR” who said that they had removed from a children’s playground what they said was the body of a rocket fired by a Smerch MLRS. Based on the angle of the impact, which the SMM measured, the SMM estimated that the firing had originated from a north-westerly direction. On Oboronna Street the SMM observed the body of a rocket in the soil. Based on the diameter of the rocket and its marking, the SMM assessed it to be a Smerch and based on the angle of the impact, the SMM estimates that the firing originated from a north-westerly direction. At the Luhansk municipal bus company parking, located at Olega Koshevogo Street, the SMM observed the empty cluster cargo compartment of what it assessed to be the same type of rocket. The SMM observed damaged houses on Volgodonska Street. The damage to the buildings (broken windows, roofs, fences) was estimated by the SMM, based on the small size of the shrapnel and the high number of impacts on the wall, to have been caused by explosions of bomblets from cluster munitions. In Arkhticheska Street (approximately 1,2km east of the city centre) the SMM observed nine impacts – small craters – in the yard and on the roofs of buildings. Based on the small size of the impacts the SMM estimated that cluster munition was used.
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http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/140521

But in any case, even they never confirmed that Kiev is shelling residential areas.

To determine the direction of the attacks, Human Rights Watch examined rocket remnants, including the cargo, rocket motor, and tail sections of cluster munition rockets. In most cases, the tail sections were stuck in the ground, indicating the direction from which the rockets came. Human Rights Watch also analyzed craters and damage to buildings. In the cases Human Rights Watch investigated, the tail section also appeared to fly further than the submunitions, providing additional indication of the rocket’s direction.

OSCE report it

And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army?

Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 February 2015:
Civilians killed and wounded in strike with cluster munitions in Izvestkova Street in Luhansk city
KYIV 3 February 2015
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The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906

For sure, this is a proof.
There are OSCE observers.
 http://www.osce.org/ru/ukraine-smm/reports

If You need more - just check there.


Explain, please this better.
- "Putin" is shelling Lugansk city from "Kiev Forces" side?
This is Your version?

And what you want to say that this is proof?

  Putin is doing the same thing.

Here is Ex Ukraine,
Shelling of Lugansk City, act of Ethnic Cleansing, made for expelling civilians from the City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAg61hEI_yM
http://rian.com.ua/video/20150213/363427793.html (In Russian)
https://ria.ru/world/20150212/1047208166.html (In Russian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement

you have at least one example of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine

So there was a russian genocide happening in crimea?

There are no promises to provide the Ethnic Cleansing and apartheid .