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Topic: Are these enough proofs to tag this HIGH RANK ring? Need DT opinions (Read 746 times)

legendary
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DMs to Yahoo won't be necessary anymore, since you tag a lot of his participants in an ongoing campaign he will notice that something is up and he will immediately notice the feedback you have given to them. His reply might take some time though as he is really busy managing campaigns as we all see, the next post count for the campaign is tomorrow so lets see if he can reply by then.

Nope, those accounts are parked for a long time now so yahoo will don't notice anything. By the way the have red feedback so I don't think they will join ever again yahoo signatures with this ring.

If they will do a new right my guess is they will use again the Xapo wallet, let's see what happens if the future.
hero member
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You've made some good research which provides strong circumstantial evidence to back up your assertion, and you've left what you consider to be appropriate feedback which, seeing as you are DT1, publicly marks the involved accounts accordingly.
I'm personally not a fan of duplicating ratings simply because they are left by other DT members, even though I may agree with them.
Have you made Yahoo aware of this thread and its findings?

I haven't DM him, I'm not a fan of DMs, However I think he knows the situation since I wrote to him on his topic, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49971923
DMs to Yahoo won't be necessary anymore, since you tag a lot of his participants in an ongoing campaign he will notice that something is up and he will immediately notice the feedback you have given to them. His reply might take some time though as he is really busy managing campaigns as we all see, the next post count for the campaign is tomorrow so lets see if he can reply by then.
legendary
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You've made some good research which provides strong circumstantial evidence to back up your assertion, and you've left what you consider to be appropriate feedback which, seeing as you are DT1, publicly marks the involved accounts accordingly.
I'm personally not a fan of duplicating ratings simply because they are left by other DT members, even though I may agree with them.
Have you made Yahoo aware of this thread and its findings?

I haven't DM him, I'm not a fan of DMs, However I think he knows the situation since I wrote to him on his topic, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49971923
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Posts by matuson palmerson and lampaster are mainly identical. The same style, length, use of words. You could PM them and show them this thread, but I also doubt they will come here to explain anything. Is red well deserved? Maybe not from you or me, but yahoo should step in.

I'm probably one of 5 members of the forum who are doing this kind of investigations (without any payment) , 99.9% of members doing nothing or don't care about it, as well 80%+ of DT members don't care about tagging them so someone has to do it.

You've made some good research which provides strong circumstantial evidence to back up your assertion, and you've left what you consider to be appropriate feedback which, seeing as you are DT1, publicly marks the involved accounts accordingly.
I'm personally not a fan of duplicating ratings simply because they are left by other DT members, even though I may agree with them.
Have you made Yahoo aware of this thread and its findings?
legendary
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Posts by matuson palmerson and lampaster are mainly identical. The same style, length, use of words. You could PM them and show them this thread, but I also doubt they will come here to explain anything. Is red well deserved? Maybe not from you or me, but yahoo should step in.

I'm probably one of 5 members of the forum who are doing this kind of investigations (without any payment) , 99.9% of members doing nothing or don't care about it, as well 80%+ of DT members don't care about tagging them so someone has to do it.
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Great work mate. I think you have already gather enough proof against those Alt account holders. Its going to be much easier for DT members to take decision now IMO. After showing your proof it Kinda clear for everyone now whats going there actually.

Honestly you have spent a lot of time to gather these evidence against those fraudlent activists and they will get their sour rewards.
legendary
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I forgot more than you will ever know.
Amazing find. This is more than enough.

Will replicate your feedbacks when I get the time to do it.

Again nice catch!

I'm wondering when they will visit this thread and what they will have to say about it  Roll Eyes
legendary
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The more accounts they have they more mistakes they make. IMO consecutively applying into campaigns in the same pattern is a good proof, but applying with the details of another account is damning. When a guy has his own data to fill such things do not happen, but give him 6 or more accounts to manage and you can be sure he'll slip somewhere.
Posts by matuson palmerson and lampaster are mainly identical. The same style, length, use of words. You could PM them and show them this thread, but I also doubt they will come here to explain anything. Is red well deserved? Maybe not from you or me, but yahoo should step in.
legendary
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That is solid proof IMO for 2+2+3, they could all be alt accounts or part of bigger farming ring.

Rizzlarola has found a good way to connect farming accounts (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16041033 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16045597, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16055803 and so on) but unfortunately they are not active any more.



Nice I'm reading the post and is a good way to spot them.
For a bigger ring meh I'm finding tens of accounts using the same wallet 00000dd86b on signatures, I think someone has a lot of accounts there but I have no resources to investigate more, it takes to much time and as always no one pays me to do it, so Cheesy.

To find rings now a good way is to look on older signatures and see if users are using the same new one signature as a starting point.

I have so many doubts on so many accounts on new signatures currently active on the forum, you have no idea.
legendary
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That is solid proof IMO for 2+2+3, they could all be alt accounts or part of bigger farming ring.

Rizzlarola has found a good way to connect farming accounts (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16041033 , https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16045597, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16055803 and so on) but unfortunately they are not active any more.

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My question would be why do they mainly apply to yahoo  Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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@TECSHARE a neutral rating is useless here, if I tag neutral he will remove proofs and probably change his patterns, a RED tag is more than appropriate for now till they will explain these "coincidences".

Red tag will removed if will explain how this is casual, but as I said he probably has more and more accounts if he can park those 15 senior accounts.

Why ask for advice then just tell everyone who provides it they are wrong? You have fun being the next wannabe forum cop. You can figure this out for yourself.
legendary
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Yes but as we can see,


1 bitcointalk account per person(If you are found to be enrolling alts you and your alt are kicked out with no pay)


So using more accounts on the same campaign it is a fraud at least for that campaign, I can check all of them but I'm pretty sure that on almost all of them we have the same rule.
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Assuming what you wrote in your posts above is accurate, I think there is a good chance they are the same person, although I wouldn’t demand they explain themselves. I might decline to enroll them in a campaign I am running if they don’t have excellent post quality.

I don’t subscribe to the theory that enrolling multiple alts in a campaign is “abusing” bounty campaigns— the company who is paying for the advertising is receiving the same amount of advertising as if more than one person was behind the alts. If the accounts are making good posts, the advertiser is actually loosing out by declining alt accounts because good posts attract more attention, and if all the alts are posting garbage, they shouldn’t be accepted into the campaign in the first place.

It is difficult to say those who posted the same address are not the same person, however the same still applies.
legendary
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Except for those that are using the same address, I don’t see the connection between the accounts based on what you posted. The merit history might be worth looking into further. To my knowledge, Xapo controls the private keys to all the address used by their service so any Blockchain activity after funds are sent to the address is out of control of the users. The fact that they are on the first page of the walletexplorer website doesn’t mean anything.

I am also not sure I understand what you think these people did wrong that makes them scammers.

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, I think we need to tag those accounts even if a solid proof is not found so far
I would disagree. I wouldn’t do something whose purpose is to prevent them from being able to conduct business based on a guess.

Xapo can control private keys, but that is not the point of this accusation

Coincidence1.
The Xapo wallet is only another coincidence for this ring.
If you look at the signatures thread posted here, I've also skipped a lot of them where they applied

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They will apply always on the same campaigns.      

Coincidence2.
You will see that the Xapo wallet users are only from this RNG but the coincidence is that they applied on EVERY Campaign on the same day, this cannot be random.

Coincidence3. The abusing they he is doing, is to parking these accounts afk and coming back on yahoo's signatures, most of their campaigns are from him.

Coincidence4. The 3 "double accounts" the ones with an alt using the same address, applied also on the same campaign. "Let's Think About the Future Signature Campaign (All Ranks Welcome)" signature https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lets-think-about-the-future-signature-campaign-all-ranks-welcome-1560376 where all the other accounts had applied.

Coincidence5. The merit can't be a proof itself but 95% of their merit are exchange ONLY on these accounts.

Coincidence6. Their UID is very close each other, so they have almost the same join date on the forum
999970
999573
999568
999563
999503
999500
975354
959495
959184
926910
922880
1031937
1002645
1002638
1002310

Coincidence7. Look at their last active time, group of accounts with the same date..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lampaster-999970      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matuson-999573      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/palmerson-999568      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/proton2233-999563      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/basmic-999503      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/warrior333-999500      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/barmen-975354      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/casanova18-959495      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/valerybark-959184      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lancusters-926910      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lieldoryn-922880      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jerryjam-1031937      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coffee135-1002645      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sindikat-1002638      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kronos21-1002310      
      

@TECSHARE a neutral rating is useless here, if I tag neutral he will remove proofs and probably change his patterns, a RED tag is more than appropriate for now till they will explain these "coincidences".

Red tag will removed if will explain how this is casual, but as I said he probably has more and more accounts if he can park those 15 senior accounts.
copper member
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Except for those that are using the same address, I don’t see the connection between the accounts based on what you posted. The merit history might be worth looking into further. To my knowledge, Xapo controls the private keys to all the address used by their service so any Blockchain activity after funds are sent to the address is out of control of the users. The fact that they are on the first page of the walletexplorer website doesn’t mean anything.

I am also not sure I understand what you think these people did wrong that makes them scammers.

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, I think we need to tag those accounts even if a solid proof is not found so far
I would disagree. I wouldn’t do something whose purpose is to prevent them from being able to conduct business based on a guess.
legendary
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My opinion is you should be neutral rating them with references to this thread, and monitor them closely. People rely on the trust system too much to fix all of their problems and be a tool of punishment. It works better as a tool of communication, and unless you have solid proof I would avoid red tags. I would say you have provided reasonable evidence they are all linked but I am not familiar enough with the policies of the signature campaign standards so I can not comment there.
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Tag worthy but I think your feedback text should be changed a little bit. The word most likely refers you are not sure. You shouldn't tag someone if you are not sure. Just my 2 cents.
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No Dt posted here, In the end, I've chosen to tag all the ring till an explanation from the leader of the ring if he will ever answer here, I doubt he will do, he probably has a lot more accounts if he can park AFK 12 seniors accounts + 3 lower rank accounts.

I think you done great job here, there is quite enough evidence that these accounts are connected and that they are used to abuse signature / bounty campaigns. Still one who stands behind everything is not careful enough, or is not intelligent enough to cover his tracks. I see that you tag all accounts, and I see them in red, so this should be enough to most members who use DT list as warning.

It would be nice to DT members share some opinion about this case.
legendary
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No Dt posted here, In the end, I've chosen to tag all the ring till an explanation from the leader of the ring if he will ever answer here, I doubt he will do, he probably has a lot more accounts if he can park AFK 12 seniors accounts + 3 lower rank accounts.

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