Are these posts deserve so much merits ???

hotforblockchain

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Quote from: Piggy on July 17, 2018, 03:59:17 AM

Quote from: digaran on July 17, 2018, 03:32:39 AM

meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

Yes that is clear, but that i can think of, they get no advantages whatsoever till they rank up and their merit history is always going to be visible.

I am relatively new here but I have already noticed some other huge merit senders and i i agree with the author of this post, that this kind of merit transactions are outrageous.
I have been thinking of posting something similar about some " interesting" merit transactions but i have not yet thought of effective an good way to show these transactions.

And here is merit database which was made by other user :
https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1wM2Op6_ol8_0iP0sDEemIGr9weKvIeLPvKsKMpFy#rows:id=1
That means than merit history is going to be visible forever.

suchmoon

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Quote from: Gdra467 on July 18, 2018, 06:12:31 AM

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

I would prefer that merit abusers spend their abusive merits as quickly as possible in 20s or 50s or whatever, and the problem will solve itself. These are still mostly airdrop merits. They are unlikely to earn new ones, not in such amounts anyway.

Anyone should be able to spend their merits any way they see fit, short of PROVABLE misconduct, such as sending merit between alts. There is already a limit of 50 per user per month - if that seems too high we can petition theymos to reduce it but at this time I don't see a particular need to do so.

xtraelv

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Quote from: Gdra467 on July 18, 2018, 06:12:31 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on July 17, 2018, 10:37:51 PM

Quote from: Gdra467 on July 17, 2018, 10:08:00 PM

nip

How?

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

It really doesn't matter. The worst abusers will get tagged by the DTs

If they are a shitposter their account will eventually get banned and all the merit is gone.

If they are not a shitposter then it probably doesn't matter that much.

Eventually all the big airdropped merit will be gone and the merit process will work like it is designed.

DdmrDdmr

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Quote from: Gdra467 on July 18, 2018, 06:12:31 AM

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Moderators are busy enough as it is. They are not going to really pursue merit abuse on it’s own, since there are no clear explicit rules on the matter in terms of prohibition. People can red tag the cases, but that is about the extent of it. The same goes for Merit Sources really.
Anyhow, if you place a limit of 5 sMerits per TX for scrutiny to take place, then merit abusers will just do it by means of more TX of less amount per TX, so to stay under the radar.

Gdra467

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 17, 2018, 10:37:51 PM

Quote from: Gdra467 on July 17, 2018, 10:08:00 PM

nip

How?

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to be an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

suchmoon

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Quote from: Gdra467 on July 17, 2018, 10:08:00 PM

nip

How?

Gdra467

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Tragically, others can argue that these posts were awarded their merits fairly. There is no way to measure 'quality' universally but most of us might deem some posts not worthy of the merits they've been awarded. We can only report and just "hope" we make a case. In my opinion these posts don't deserve a single merit. People will always skirt around new rules. Initially I thought merits should not come so easily but some of these reports at the meta section make me think otherwise. Let's help to collectively nip such abuses in the bud.

xtraelv

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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Quote from: digaran on July 17, 2018, 01:43:35 PM

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

It really depends on your interpretation. I recently got 50 merits for a post here: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk

I was really pleased. Not so much about the merits themselves - but who it was from !

I make no secret of the fact that I am interested in crypto exchanges and have investments in DEX technology.

This dude chatted with Satoshi on here this forum and ran the second fiat (cash) for BTC exchange service in 2010 !

It is quite upsetting seeing ANN threads getting up in the merit rankings for what I see as the cause of the spam in the first place.I complained about that here: Should ANN and services threads be excluded from the merit system ?

It is nice to see when some topics that I care about make it on the top merited lists so more people get to read it.

coinlocket$

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 16, 2018, 02:32:54 PM

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

So far I've found only 1 post worth as 50 merit or even more.
A free, hand made 110 pages book about Bitcoin.
This one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33319420

friends1980

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Quote from: digaran on July 17, 2018, 03:32:39 AM

These are blatant misuse of merits and they should be punished, maybe they're alt accounts of DT members and that's why they are not receiving any negative trust? nobody knows. meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

You invent new rules, you will see yourself confronted with people who find ways to avoid these rules.

Satoshi could tell you all about this.

suchmoon

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Quote from: BestSSS on July 17, 2018, 02:50:10 PM

People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point

I have reviewed your post history and couldn't find any such masterpieces. Do you have any examples?

ippolits

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Quote from: BestSSS on July 17, 2018, 02:50:10 PM

People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point - and here corruption on the face - it is necessary to take away ranks from such donors of merits!

I do not think there in any function in SMF to remove rank from a member all together. Banning is the only solution.

BestSSS

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Turning the forum into a trade merits that's all that it shows!!! With the introduction of the new system, people stopped moving up the ranks, so this result!
It bought services, I guarantee it! get 100 merit for the usual message is unrealistic. People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point - and here corruption on the face - it is necessary to take away ranks from such donors of merits!

suchmoon

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Quote from: digaran on July 17, 2018, 01:43:35 PM

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

You're right, 5 doesn't cut it. I'll consider adjusting it to 6 or 7.

digaran

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 17, 2018, 01:30:58 PM

I've said it about a million times (give or take 999990): sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If there is other proof of these accounts being alts or in some sort of collusion - that could be considered merit abuse. Or if the merit activity prompts someone to dig into it and uncover other shady activities by these accounts - that's great too. Other than that we should not get carried away analyzing these merit transactions no matter how egregious it looks.

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

suchmoon

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Merit: 8909

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I've said it about a million times (give or take 999990): sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If there is other proof of these accounts being alts or in some sort of collusion - that could be considered merit abuse. Or if the merit activity prompts someone to dig into it and uncover other shady activities by these accounts - that's great too. Other than that we should not get carried away analyzing these merit transactions no matter how egregious it looks.

Cryptosandy1987

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A lot of discussions has been come up and some members also gave the valuable suggestions for preventing this. So this is my humble request to admin to do at least some action for these type of case or make some rules.guidelines for these cases.

In my opinion, this suggestion is the best solution till now...

Quote from: Jet Cash on July 17, 2018, 07:06:43 AM

demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster.

Jet Cash

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This could be because merit abusers are becoming more sophisticated. Ten awards of 5 merits is still an award of 50, but it may not be as obvious,

DdmrDdmr

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The issue with this sort of abuse in large chunks is that it stands out, denting the moral/conceptual goals of the Merit System.

The good news is that this (I believe) is a practice that is less common as time goes by (for multiple reasons). Infact, it is getting to be rather uncommon to see posts merited with 20 or over sMerits in a single TX.
If we take a look at the period of time going from the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018 (to focus on a recent window), these are the TXs for 20 sMerits or above:

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amount  converted_date             FromId  FromName          ToId    ToName                   post_title                                                                      PostURL
50   2018-07-02 01:41:21.000  176810  benthach          1208438 thenextking              Re: What are the potential risk in joining an airdrop?                          https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465
50   2018-07-12 19:42:11.000  21577   Ente              24140   qwk                      Re: Bitcoin & die Steuer - FAQ                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976285.msg19673755#msg19673755
50   2018-07-01 06:23:34.000  648651  fanatic26         392563  chandra12                [AIRDROP] YOYOW [BOUNTY]✅✅✅✅                                                    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3139057.msg41217165#msg41217165
50   2018-07-01 15:02:43.000  315650  Dogedigital       2188816 nessie.io                Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876
50   2018-07-04 19:36:23.000  202602  chek2fire         1267993 Leteravian               Πρότυπo δημιoυργίας πίνακα                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4596709.msg41487910#msg41487910
46   2018-07-11 08:04:26.000  1320011 Jeremiesaranza    965234  dumbtool45               Re: [ANN] [ICO] SCRINIUM🔥 The future of portfolio investment                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2484536.msg37902368#msg37902368
46   2018-07-04 12:54:02.000  176128  bgpsq             1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: What are the most common uses of Bitcoin?                                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2281388.msg34650713#msg34650713
45   2018-07-02 23:53:02.000  905193  Napole0n          921087  Tukang Becak             Re: what is the future of virtual currency like bitcoin ?                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2413780.msg39634835#msg39634835
36   2018-07-11 09:02:07.000  1393407 JaoBadjap         1509249 Dyanggok                 Re: Newbie Welcome Thread                                                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg28317972#msg28317972
32   2018-07-03 00:52:35.000  934658  Konthol Ngaceng   921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Is Bitcoin price ready to touch the moon..??                                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3295344.msg40667764#msg40667764
31   2018-07-05 22:02:57.000  367083  minerx117         927785  EWBF_                    Re: EWBF's Cuda Equihash Miner                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4466962.msg40058212#msg40058212
28   2018-07-02 23:51:03.000  916082  _Legendary_       921087  Tukang Becak             Re: How foolish are people who invest in Bitcoin?                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2589880.msg39142728#msg39142728
27   2018-07-04 00:53:45.000  921229  King Sastro       921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Money for school fees. Invested in bitcoin.                                 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832349.msg39142907#msg39142907
26   2018-07-04 04:32:18.000  929505  Bondho Kompeni    921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Government and Bitcoin                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035614.msg38238340#msg38238340
25   2018-07-01 15:09:23.000  316957  AcoinL.L.C        338580  CrazyCraig               Re: Moneypot: Powered by Monster Byte                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg40683210#msg40683210
25   2018-07-04 12:52:05.000  392563  chandra12         1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: Why you Still believe in Bitcoin?                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3206467.msg34192008#msg34192008
25   2018-07-04 04:30:17.000  908780  Senja Kemuning    921087  Tukang Becak             Re: its not about how much you invested, its when you should invest?            https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267595.msg39140799#msg39140799
25   2018-07-08 19:26:09.000  255027  criptix           2189580 anunymint                                                                                                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.msg41317345#msg41317345
24   2018-07-12 21:29:20.000  346449  botany            321816  belcher                  Re: [ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg10096489#msg10096489
24   2018-07-01 15:07:30.000  338580  CrazyCraig        2188816 nessie.io                Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876
23   2018-07-04 12:26:27.000  916051  Sir Paijoe        921087  Tukang Becak             Re: 7 REASONS WHY: which one are you?                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3766385.msg37533176#msg37533176
22   2018-07-11 09:03:31.000  1509249 Dyanggok          1393407 JaoBadjap                Re: Newbie Welcome Thread                                                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg26055138#msg26055138
20   2018-07-10 06:27:04.000  902444  vivland           1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: Bitcoin will hit 25k by the end of this Year?                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3313706.msg34724425#msg34724425
20   2018-07-07 20:24:43.000  234771  suchmoon          334783  seoincorporation         Re: I've just invented dMerits.                                                 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619367.msg41711944#msg41711944
20   2018-07-11 00:42:26.000  255027  criptix           134226  Nestade                                                                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638379.msg41921753#msg41921753
20   2018-07-04 05:05:15.000  661316  mandica           2180275 XSPEC-team               Re: [ANN] Spectrecoin (XSPEC) | Untraceable Tx | Tor Integration                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434053.msg39594362#msg39594362
20   2018-07-11 11:11:56.000  98986   TMAN              1000199 krogothmanhattan         Re: [REFERENCE]  BREACHED or SCAM COINMAKERS LIST                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg34617121#msg34617121
20   2018-07-11 11:12:17.000  98986   TMAN              346731  minerjones               Re: [INFO]  Looking for all maker's public address lists                        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2022902.msg20155309#msg20155309
20   2018-07-01 21:24:15.000  405889  SyGambler         764113  Bit-Exo.com              Re: [ANN] [PoS] BXO BitExo Casino-⚡PoW Ended⚡🚀🚀                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2296264.msg23299007#msg23299007
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The quantity is small, being that of 30 TXs for 20 or more sMerits. Amongst the above list, there a completely legit cases and merit abuse cases I’ve seen reported on other threads.

The overall TX merit distribution for the same period (the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018) is:
50     5
[40..49]   3
[30..39]   3
[20..29]   19
[10..19]   82
[5..9]   294
[1..4]   2944

So all in all, individual TXs of a high amount are very few cases, so those TXs that are constituent of merit abuse are a drag by comparison, but small in the overall scheme of things.

olumyd

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Quote from: RAMSHIVDEEPAK on July 17, 2018, 07:23:30 AM

So what, Admin will not do anything with above reported account. Moderator/amin should do some meaningful action against those and post it publicly,so In future members will fear of action for doing such type of merit trade.

Exactly, when people see the hung witch, they'll fear the practice of magic. Most people know that these complains become garbage themselves, and so, since nothing will be done, they'll continue with this wrong. IMO, I'd suggest a comprehensive list of those who are performing within the stipulated guidelines for the merit awarding system.

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