Topic: Are we become lazy now? Where is our creative idea? (Read 345 times)

You are right some of the newbies on bitcointalk are not newbies in cryptocurrency because some of them have technical ideas and are really helping in the forum I have seen many times where newbies offer solution on this forum, so it not only newbies that need to wake up but all of us as members of this forum need to work hard to improve our knowledge and try sharing that with other members.

My guess is that most people heavily involved in crypto (like leading developers of altcoins in CMC top 100) do not have a legendary account, and have zero interest in one. Probably have an intern posting about their project and that's about it.

To each their own, but I feel if some people on this forum spent as much time learning about blockchain/crypto as they do on posting and getting the tag 'legendary' they'd actually learn alot more about blockchain, crypto and why it is important.

OP do what you like but don't think ranking up is going to make a huge difference in your ability to 'lead the next generation'.

You have some nice observation here. Since OgNasty started his Merit giveaway for forum contributions! thread, a lot of topics have emerged with zero newness and creativity. Most of them are merit oriented. But I don't think that laziness is the reason to blame. Here are some, in my opinion:

- As things become matured and stable, creativity is harder to achieve. Let's take ranking and merit as an example. When it was first introduced, there were a lot of topics about how does merit work, merit should be distributed in this way or that way, more merit sources needed, Jr rank need at least 1 merit etc... But since theymos completed the system by implementing the changes, there were far fewer new ideas or improvements. It's just everything's working fine and unnecessary to be innovated. The same goes with blockchain or cryptocurrency. Yet we still can see cool ideas in here and there but again, they're rare.  

- People get distracted by merit and DT. Whether you like it or not, members of the forum are concerned by merit and/or DT in one way or another (ranking, reputation...). This affect our behaviours and posting habbits. Some tend to consider merit as orientation but because they're not a astute poster like mikeywith or not as genius as nullius, they choose to gather old things like you said. This is not something bad but gradually readers or merit givers will get bored with these kinds of topics. Talking about DT, it's imperfect and needs improving. But sadly there're so many DT war talks in Meta or Reputation instead of ideas to refine it.

- Everyone has his own life and purposes. Some come here to find out about blockchain and cryptocurrencies, some come for bounties, some are too busy to write something constructive and contributive and so on. And one thing I can be sure that the majority of us are the ordinary. You can't expect too much, especially from newbies. They're the ones that need time to gain knowledge before sharing anything. Rather than newbies, veterans of the forum should lead and show them the bright way.  

Lazy, it is hard to generalise all things like this. Some of us are lazy, sure; some of us are not lazy, it's true.
Which purposes from which users decided to spend their time to collect things (posts/ threads)?
This question is the key one to identify a speficic users are lazy or not.

The fact is we all have to collect things for our personal interests (from news on websites, social media, other forums to posts/ threads inside the bitcointalk.org). After collecting them, we should save them somewhere (through bookmark, spreadsheets, etc.) for later use. Now, it's done with collecting things.

Next, what we should do with such collections on specific aspects?
This step will identify which users are lazy, and which users are not lazy with their collections.

• Lazy users: They usually report posts/ threads/ news that they think are helpful, and comprehensive to hunt for merits.
• Hard-working users: They often sit back a while, to consider which ones have been mentioned detailed enough in things they collected, which ones have not been described or guided well, which ones they can improve better with their knowledge, understandings, and available documents in their collections. They might spend hours, days, or weeks to compose their new guides, with improvements from all current available sources (in and beyond the bitcointalk.org).

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It is good to share amazing things you collected, but it is not enough. It will be better if you can withdraw something from what you collected. It shows your creativeness!

Let's consider more.

• Quality of collections: If your collections are high quality, and unique. It's good to share.
• Creative works (from what you collected): Users should try this approach.

1. Quality of collections: To clarify more, users can not collect low quality things and share them around. Therefore, they should read more, after collecting things, in order to be able to assess quality of collected sources.
I use the collected guides of LoyceV as an example: [GUIDES] on Bitcointalk. Index thread (until there is a dedicated subforum?). It is a very high quality collection. Forum members can suggest things they think good ones, but LoyceV reject to add into the collection so many times, maybe due to low quality or irrelevant guides.

2. Creative works:
I don't imply that when a user compose their own guide, with some improvements, their new guide will be a better version than all current available sources, but it is their own works, from their hard-working process, and from their initiatives. Such works should be given a round of applause and awards (merits, maybe).

Being creative does not mean that we have to make something totally new, even collections can be creative, like this one:
theymosisms - a collection of posts for reference. It is solely a collection of theymos' posts, but who can deny that the topic is creative? Lots of prominent users have all known about such opinion of theymos, but over years in the forum, no one created such collection. Even prominent users have to spend their time to find out theymos' posts for their reference from time to time. It is one of way to waste our precious time. Someone likely save theymos' posts for their personal interests, but did not share it like @Steamtyme. So, in my opinion, that guy made an excellent creative collection.

When we mention about creativeness, we should call it as creative ideas. All good posts, threads, projects start with creative ideas.

However, please don't publish our new guide if it is not better than current available ones! Just keep it in our computer, and think of ways to improve it. Only when we think it is good enough to be considered as better than current guides, it's time to seriously think of publishing it for forum members to share & help.

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Some users even don't care that what they found (by search, or by chance) already answered better in other topics/ sources, because they don't know how to use search function, or too lazy to spend their time for searching.
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Yes, I am getting a bit lazy lately. However, I feel that this situation also related to the market condition and no new exciting stories at the moment. What appear on my feed mainly are about CSW's drama, delist BSV, and Tether's scam accusation. A big WTF

Since I do not want to be a bitcoin developer, I found it challenging to find interesting material that is non-technical.

Let's made this forum like a real world that we are living, we have forum rules here and if one violates, one will face the consequences.
In real world there are also lazy people, and going back to the discussion here, we cannot really judge everyone since we have different comprehension and that makes this forum having members with unique ideas and contribution.

Those who contributed well, we should thank them, but there are some who are not recognize but they might be doing their best to contribute.

Actually, let's make this forum a place where we get more information about crypto that would help us and the newbies especially.

I understand the frustration OP, there are some which you think are lazy enough but that's the reality, we cannot change that.
What we have to do is contribute on our own and invite them in a nice way to contribute more in the forum.

theymos called those threads:

This topic got me thinking, what kind of "creative ideas" are you thinking?
If it is Meta-related, there's no difference with those "summarize something obvious" posts.

New projects, updates and feature requests?
Most bitcointalk members aren't developers nor project managers, just a bitcoin enthusiasts, some are traders. If there's no one asking for ideas, there will be no one who'll share.

wouldn't agree with OP saying Laziness causes forum members not to engage themselves with good content creation on the forum. There's more creative ideas than before if you will sublime to the fact that, backed in 2017 where the market of cryptocurrency was at it peak, many signature spammers turned to be good content creators but they have now disappeared becasue the bull run has not yet back. The fact that; there is no much active signature campaigns on the forum, has given the forum members the means to read through the forum without the sole aim of post count, thereby drawing their attention to the decline in good content creation.

Remember what happened last few weeks when Yobit came onboard, what did you see? what was the result? are there not still yet messes created by those Yobitism which are yet to be clear?. No much active of these signature campaign has actually draw the attention of forum members to notice this kparaporsity.

@OP, keep up the good work and may you be remember in the nearest future.  

As a forum member I always expect to see spectacular works from our newbies because i believe they are the future leader of this forum. Having creative and unique ideas from them is warmly appreciated here. I will not say that giving replys to other post is a bad thing but sharing innovative ideas from your own is better than anything IMO.     

Every newbies should keep it on their mind that forum is the best place for gathering and sharing knowledges. Do you know Why its need to share your own ideas? Its because after sharing your own ideas you will be able to know about your own strength by getting suggestions from other community user. So don't gather only share your one too. 

I can say that there has been a drop in the posting of creative content and I have noticed that some notable member of the forum has reduced the amount of time the are on the forum.
Don't know if this would become of negative effect on the forum although I believe the forum is bigger than any member

I have seen some posts guides.
Some are really half-baked and the only intent is to gather mo merit nothing else. Honestly I have tried to avoid such posts as much as possible.

Some people have taken it up to themselves to spam the shit out of the beginners and Help board with repetitive "informative topics" but then a few seconds later, you find them reporting the links of the posts the topics they have just made to Ognasty's merit giveaway thread claiming that they have made a forum contribution
It's all merit driven

The good thing is that Ognasty isn't really considering the thread starters so much in his merit giveaway thread. He wants those posts from members who reply and help other members.

i think it's not the matter of 'lazy' like you were talking about,
but IMO it's like people who had that 'creative idea' is actually partnered up to making a company on this cryptoworlds, developing a brand new version of these blockchains technology and what they did is just to provide the information about hows the development is on going and delivering their products to us. So that's why what we can discuss is only those things and might be the reason which made you have this kind of thoughts.

Lol this is just a forum and legendary is just a rank. It means nothing, and will not lead generations
There are many people around the world which knows a lot of Bitcoin and computers and don't have a legendary account here.

I am not saying that we can't use old thread quotes. We should use it but on appropriate places. For example, if you are writing a thread about trust system then you can use some quote as a reference. Nothing wrong with it and these will make your topic more stronger and quality. But noticed some threads lately they are just quoting old threads. Just don't want to mention here because post isn't bad actually. My point is we should spread also our own knowledge besides of reference.

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Edit;
Since I am writing topic on forum so I have used forum language. Isn't legendary forum language? The topic regarding forum situation, not all over world bitcoiner situation. Hope you got my point.

The difference between those users engaging mostly in what you have stated above and those truely adding more quality contributive post to the forum from creatives ideas are clear in regards to merit recieving ratio. Although some of those type of post are quite interesting to read I still have to agree with all you have said. No doubt the reason behind most of those posts are to receive merit but again there are few that intend passing a message.

In conclusion to avoid this type of post repeating themselves, recieving merits to rank up shouldn't be the only motivation for constructing quality posts if not, you become a liability to the forum when that goal is achieve. Adding value to the forum should be your number one priority.

Let's not put too much pressure on the newbies, since they are still learning so we can't expect them to become more creative not unless they are not a real newbie. Maybe in time when they gathered enough knowledge, they can now share their experience and becomes more active and helpful.

We as an old users are expected to lead the generation today, guide the newbies, give them the right details so they can become better and be the next leader in the future.

Seems we (forum users) become lazy nowadays. Not all, but most of us. Perhaps you are wondering why I am saying like that. The reason is, I have noticed that most of forum users are just reposting from old post lately. Like gathering trust system derails, merit system details, scam hunting details and so on. Most if topic just using quote or binding links together etc etc. Yes, they are just reminding old this, but nothing contributing from themselves. I am not saying they are doing bad, but look like it's just for merit hunting.

Where is your creative idea? Where is your unique idea? Why not sharing creative knowledge? Are we become lazy? We really need good contributors for forum especially from newbies. Instead of binding quote together you can spend your time to learn more and share it with community. There is lots of source to learn about crypto-currency. Just acquire knowledge and share your creative idea with forum. Share your creative knowledge how can we improve crypto-currency and this forum.
Try to use your brain, don't just depend on others. You can do, and you are the one who will lead on future.

Today you are newbie, but somedays you will be legendary and you have to lead next generation. Don't let your brain for sleep.

Apologies for my topic, I really don't want to hurt someone. I just describe the reality. I haven't mentioned anyone. I have used "US" "WE" means I am also included. So let's wake up show our creativity.....