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June 28, 2012, 08:44:35 PM
#53
More violence comes from enforcing prohibition then the drugs themselves.

Yep, the way I see it there are at least three ways that drugs can be associated with violence: (1) black market violence; (2) acquisitive crime violence to feed an addiction; and (3) under-the-influence violence (i.e., the psychoactive effects of a particular drug increase an individual’s propensity for violence). With respect to category 3 violence, alcohol is BY FAR* the worst offender. Drug prohibition CREATES category 1 violence and exacerbates category 2 and 3 violence by, respectively, making a person’s addiction more expensive and encouraging people who want to “get high” to use booze to get there. It is a moronic and disastrous policy.

*From Marijuana is Safer: “The U.S. government estimates that alcohol contributes to 25 to 30 percent of all violent crime in the America, including 30 percent of homicides and 22.5 percent of sexual assaults. However, the approach federal researchers used to calculate these figures attributes the use of alcohol as a primary cause of violent behavior in only 50 percent of the cases where the perpetrator had been drinking. Yes, you read that correctly. In order to be conservative with their estimates, researchers only consider booze to be a contributing factor in half of the cases in which alcohol was actually involved. This means that in reality alcohol was involved in some manner in 60 percent of homicides and almost half of all sexual assaults.”
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June 28, 2012, 01:12:17 PM
#52
There are no "winners" in a war and drug war is not an exception. Just saying..
Ha, yeah. It must be a real war because it's mostly civilians dying.


More violence comes from enforcing prohibition then the drugs themselves.
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June 28, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
#51
There are no "winners" in a war and drug war is not an exception. Just saying..
Ha, yeah. It must be a real war because it's mostly civilians dying.
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June 28, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
#50
There are no "winners" in a war and drug war is not an exception. Just saying..
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June 26, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
#48
The most telling thing in this thread is that no one seems willing to defend our current policy. Is there anyone left who believes prohibition is a good idea? I open to hearing a sensible argument. 
Find someone old...
Where did Rarity go? He was proclaiming the powers of prohibition in the George Zimmerman defense fund thread.  That's why this thread got made and he never even posted here.
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June 26, 2012, 11:06:42 AM
#47
The most telling thing in this thread is that no one seems willing to defend our current policy. Is there anyone left who believes prohibition is a good idea? I open to hearing a sensible argument. 
Find someone old...
Or a prison guard, or a cop, or a large scale drug trafficker...

Those people benefit enormously from prohibition.
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June 26, 2012, 10:57:12 AM
#46
The most telling thing in this thread is that no one seems willing to defend our current policy. Is there anyone left who believes prohibition is a good idea? I open to hearing a sensible argument. 
Find someone old...
rjk
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1ngldh
June 26, 2012, 10:04:49 AM
#45
It's injustices like that that make me wish some cop would snap and shoot up the judge and everyone that agreed with him.
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June 26, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
#42
The most telling thing in this thread is that no one seems willing to defend our current policy. Is there anyone left who believes prohibition is a good idea? I open to hearing a sensible argument. 
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June 26, 2012, 12:06:49 AM
#41
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June 25, 2012, 06:43:37 PM
#40
Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)

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I love reading this, and will do so over and over.

Yeah... I've realized that sometimes the only way to get change is to wait for the stubborn people to die.
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June 25, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
#39
Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)

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I love reading this, and will do so over and over.
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June 25, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
#38
depends what side of 'we' you are on?
Smiley

Exactly! We ARE winning the drug war! The Silk Road is like the Napster of drugs - not quite perfected yet, but shows what is possible and what will become widespread and easy in the future.

Yep, "we" ARE winning. And we're also winning the battle for public opinion. I always encourage people to run a google image search for "cannabis Gallup poll" and look at the trendline.  In 1969 (the year polling began), only 12% of Americans wanted to legalize pot. In the mid-90s that number had crept up to 24%. Last year, support for reform hit 50% and it continues to grow FAST. (The Internet era has not been kind to the drug warriors and their propaganda.) An even more recent Rasmussen poll showed 56% support for legalizing and regulating cannabis with only 36% opposed.  Support for reform also gets stronger the younger the demographic. In fact, the only age group that continues to strongly oppose legalization is the 65+ crowd, and they won't be around forever.  It seems that the long-awaited "tipping point" is finally here. (Of course, cannabis legalization isn't the entire drug war, but it will be a huge and important first step.)
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June 25, 2012, 05:21:04 PM
#37
It's already easy and sorta wide spread Tongue
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June 25, 2012, 04:35:48 PM
#36
depends what side of 'we' you are on?
Smiley

Exactly! We ARE winning the drug war! The Silk Road is like the Napster of drugs - not quite perfected yet, but shows what is possible and what will become widespread and easy in the future.
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June 25, 2012, 04:08:38 PM
#35
Just saw this.
Therefore, illegality must not be based on therapeutic ratio.
Clearly.

Sadly it seems lots of people have no clue about any of these numbers though.

I've had conversations with quiet a few people that think smoking too much pot has killed people.  Showing them a chart like this that has prescription drugs like Prozac on it can be at least a little educational.
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June 25, 2012, 03:54:14 PM
#34
Just saw this.
Therefore, illegality must not be based on therapeutic ratio.
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