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Fact and transparency, that's all we need.

i've never been thrown out of the group and there's nothing we're hiding.  we're not the Illuminati.

Here's some dumb stuff you've said, btw I don't delete my PMs here.  If you notice the timestamp, it's even after the date you posted on the image fudding me, lol.




what a clown

I'm saying that ensuring the success of the ARK project should be the priority rather than using ARK TEC funds for personal gain. Saying people didn't invest in ARK and it was a donation for tokens is basically putting lipstick on a pig. People who supported the ARK TEC invested in its success. Using ARK TEC funds to forge Lisk is fine. However the returns should be used to further the ARK project and not misappropriated for profits of individual delegates.

I'm not saying that ARK TEC participants should get a distribution of Lisk forged from ARK TEC funds... again that would be using ARK funds for personal gain.. but that rather that forged Lisk should go back into a fund towards wages for ARK developers, foundation setup costs, towards the success of ARK. 

slip of the tounge and finger, so sue me.

Thats his opinion. I don't know if you are noticed but canna is not always that carefully with his wording...
But at least this was a halfway decent fact based argument from you.

you sound more and more like phoenix1969 every day Bitbanksy.

GL with the bridge burning though. 

Yeah we must admit it's a good & well thought plan. Make the most of it while it last...

so basically you are saying we should give you more.

There's nothing unethical about it.

I don't need to explain it.  That's just the way it is.  Like it or not, it's not like you invested in ARK.  You exchanged your coins for ARK tokens to be used on the ARK platform.  Nothing more.  Having these tokens don't entitle you to any decision making and or explanations.

First we are not ex-liskers. If you were a real lisker not just an ass kisser you would know this, and know us.
Second you are saying this as an accusation when I'm in fact very pride of it. Yes we found a good way to achieve multiple goals. Launch and fund a new project, develop it years to come, while strengthening our lisk weight. Because you know, most Lisk delegates have to do that, (and been doing that for almost a year now) if they want to became delegates. But you wouldn't know as without max and olivers vote you have 1.5% approval.

No, forged lisk won't be used toward the development of ARK.
No, the community will not have a say on how ICO funds will be used in the future. As soon as they donated any amount it became ARKs money (given that TEC terms are fullfiled meaning main net launch)  to do with it as we see fit.
This project is community driven but not community directed (same for any other project for that matter, including Lisk). Coin holders have no rights to decide on any financial or development decision being made, no matter how they got their coin at TEC or at the exchanges later.

The community is very important for any project of course, and for us as well. We plan to be open with them, use the gathered funds to the best of our abilities to develop ARK, we will hear suggestions and listen to valid critisism. But the decision making are ultimately up to the governing body of ARK.

This is basic crpyto, why is this a question?

Hmmm ok that's interesting. Would it not have been better for the ARK project if the ARK TEC funds were used to vote an ARK Community Delegate whereby the funds generated from forging could be used to further the ARK project! Forged Lisk could be reinvested into ARK Community proposals, mainnet stabilization, IoT integration.

The TEC funds should be used to further the ARK project as a whole and not to benefit individual members of the ARK crew.

To use TEC funds for individual benefit when there is a clear alternative to use them towards the betterment of the ARK project is completely unethical. Furthermore it strengthens Lisks position over ARK by focusing individual efforts on Lisk forging rather than on ARK. How can this be condoned! Canna let's see you explain this one!

setting up a copy cat of what exactly?  Lisk is a clone of Crypti which the founders are here with ARK.  

Lisk used an exact clone of crypti to do their ICO.....................and our developer Fixcrypt was critical in making sure Lisk mainnet launched on time, fun fact, it would not have launched on time after the first month long delay if it wasn't for fixcrypt.

Yeah, it is a pretty good plan, better plan than almost any other altcoin group has for funding their project.  Too bad it's not a copycat, our testnet code runs smoother than lisk by leaps and bounds already.

Now scram.

lol, I don't care if I dumped all my lisk.  It's mine.... Duh.

  what are you gonna do? cry to max and oliver and have them unvote me?  they already know I don't like them personally and that's why I don't get a vote from them already.  Oh wait, I got almost 10 million votes without max and oliver, if you lost their vote you would have less than 1 million votes.  Talk about someone being held up,  all that brown nosing is making it into your mouth and causing your breath stink dude.

monopolized by groups like us?  We play the delegate game by the rules Max and Oliver set up for Lisk.  If it wasn't meant to be played this way then why is the voting system a perfect match for what GDT is doing?

We never promised we would not use our lisk for our own benefit. It's none of your damn business what we use our forged lisk for, if we use it for the development of ark, well I guess we'll be funded for a very long time won't we. All good things for the future of ARK imo.

Your fud = weaksauce.

Okay, now I had enough of you.
Dear BitBanksy you should stick to brown nosing that's where your talents lie, not in fact finding and data analysis.

He didn't stay he launched it he said he first came up with the idea of a group trading votes. This is fact, it's there in the early lisk thread.

First of all the bagholder claim is a blatant lie, you are either guessing, very badly, or having bad information and you should talk to your source. Around 2/3 of GDT members have no signficant weight to speak of and that's after we included some larger holders out of necessity as another group were forming who didn't care about reponsibly running delegates just including big wallet members and vote swapping. But if you claim that we are mostly large holders who controling the system, then you are vey wrong. We are the ones who blocked about 20 whales to take over the delegate system running multiple delegates.

Second of all, your claim of forging and dumping is again just that a claim. It's a freaking blockchain go and check. Very little has been dumped (again more dumped by those delegates who are not in our group thus not following our guidlines than those that are members), and even that should lessen, if someone in the group consistently dumps he may very well not be part of the group for long.

Overall you know very little of the delegate system other then knowing how to write pretty proposals that is appealing to the largest holders there is to vote you in for it.



Voting with lisk hasn't diminishes the amount of that lisk (other than transaction fees of course), so ARK is not affected. And we most certainly didn't promise that we won't use if to vote, quite the opposite, we very much intended to do so and will do so. That you didn't know that is your problem, again you are not as well informed in the intricacies of Lisk politics as you would like to believe. Those who matter knew, including max.

First of all, Mal launched the global delegate group, not you https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?t=699 so don't talk like you own it or has who knows which decisional power... You were (and still are) a small participant who started with 50k that's all. Although initially that group had good intention (secure & protect the mainnet, redistribution of forged lisk toward development etc...) right know that group is mainly composed of bag holders using their big stacks to bully their way into the top forging slots. With the exception of few trustworthy members who genuinely stick to the original plan, most members (you included) forge & dump 12k a month. Your are currently forging only and solely for profit.

Second: not long ago you told me you own 300K... you were either exaggerating or contemplating a stash of the ICO funds as yours or just lying (either way it's not surprising from a guy like you). Unfortunately I deleted the DM that proves this point.

Now for the sake of transparency: ARK currently use its collected Lisk to vote & backup 8 delegates (you & Mick included...). Was it not mentioned that ARK would never use its fund for personal profit? Would it be more ethical if ARK use its fund toward the development of ARK only and not to back up few Lisk delegates for personal interest?

Canna and Bitbanksky can you 2 morons take your handbags somewhere else and stop clogging up the feed with your bitchfight. Leave some space for ARK progress.

I was the person who first came up with the idea of a TD group by trading votes from other lisk community members and adding their handle to my signature spot and also in developing the whole team in the early days.  GDT is TD. There's no Roles, we're all equal.

I have no idea what you're talking about 300k, never said or have had that much lisk.

now GTFO with your BS

But you are still avoiding these questions:

Which role did you / do you play in TD & GTD? Do you still have your stash of Lisk? The 300K you mentioned once?

you bet your ass I am.