Arrested for feeding homeless people - page 7.

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Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

Quote from: Fabrizio89 on November 06, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own.

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

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Quote from: u9y42 on November 07, 2014, 08:40:13 PM

Quote from: Gumbork on November 06, 2014, 09:09:37 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

I agree 100%. If you continue to feed the homeless then they will have no incentive to improve their lives and get a job, ect. [...]

I find this kind of myopia amazing; it's kind of like the "it's your fault that you're poor", even if you work several jobs and still barely make enough to feed your family.

I wonder if you would hold on to those views if you were to become homeless one day - or do you think it can't possibly happen to you?

Well it is generally a person's fault because they live in poverty. Even when they work "several" jobs they are all low/no skill jobs which they are generally overpaid to work.

There are also a ridiculous number of social programs that will give the "poor" free food and money for nothing in order to help them "pay for things"

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feeding the homeless is a blessing, even if it is necessary, every country should make a rule that the homeless life borne by the state, as we know that the homeless do not have a home and a steady job, they are very difficult to finance their lives, the government should create a program to the homeless so they can afford for the money, and they are able to meet their basic needs ... Shocked

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Quote from: Gumbork on November 06, 2014, 09:09:37 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

I agree 100%. If you continue to feed the homeless then they will have no incentive to improve their lives and get a job, ect. [...]

I find this kind of myopia amazing; it's kind of like the "it's your fault that you're poor", even if you work several jobs and still barely make enough to feed your family.

I wonder if you would hold on to those views if you were to become homeless one day - or do you think it can't possibly happen to you?

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feeding homeless is quite noble act and at the age of 90 it's amazing...... i mean they should appreciate the old fellow instead of putting him to jail

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He got another citation
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/undeterred-by-arrest-90-year-old-florida-man-gets-another-citation-for-feeding-the-homeless/

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This has nothing to do with the minimum wage. It's about how we have evolved to a fascist police state.

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People had incentive to work but then we had stagflation and inflation. Minimum wage in the United States is no longer adequate for a decent lifestyle and this removing a lot of incentive to work when entitlements and handouts (and undeclared income) are worth more.

Minimum wage in Florida is a bit under $8 and thus a lot of people there are only making $8.50-$10 a hour. Florida has long been a tourism and retirement economy where most of the work is part time and/or seasonal.

So working (to make a rich person richer) would only pay for a room in somebody's basement and that would require like 100 hours of pre-tax work each month for this hypothetical low income person.

People say these minimum wage jobs are a step to something better but I'm not honestly seeing it. I remember the 1990s when you did see teenagers working at McDonalds but nowadays I see a lot of aged (50+ year old) people working in fast food and other low income positions.

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He was an old man who did what he thought was right to help the needy
Yes incenting folks to work is important but cannot be expected of an old guy
The reaction was shocking nevertheless

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Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

Quote from: Fabrizio89 on November 06, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own.

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

I agree 100%. If you continue to feed the homeless then they will have no incentive to improve their lives and get a job, ect.

I think the rational behind the law is actually due to health code concerns though

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Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 12:33:05 AM

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Arnold Abbott handed out four plates of food to homeless people in a South Florida park. Then police stopped the 90-year-old from serving up another bite.
"An officer said, 'Drop that plate right now -- like I had a weapon,'" Abbott said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/04/justice/florida-feeding-homeless-charges/index.html

I can see their point... if you keep feeding the problem, it will never go away.

Give a man a fish...

EXCEPT you need a city issued permit, you can only fish in certian areas, you can only fish at certian times and you can only catch a certian amount.

Odds are that man would die.

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No this is wrong

Obviously the government is right

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Quote from: jaysabi on November 06, 2014, 11:25:14 AM

Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

IF that were the case that they're just lazy, let them be lazy. Doesn't justify the law. Don't criminalize charity, it's just needless regulation.

You know the saying: no good deed goes unpunished.

The idea that someone might care, or want to help others is a dangerous one, after all... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 03:26:35 AM

Quote from: Fabrizio89 on November 06, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own.

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own? What if they are just lazy, like dank? If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

IF that were the case that they're just lazy, let them be lazy. Doesn't justify the law. Don't criminalize charity, it's just needless regulation.

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They have signs up to not feed the bears/wildlife/pigeons...

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I should imagine some people do this to exploit others....but that doesn't mean you should get disciplined for it....if anything they should investigate and get rid of the people who are exploiting.

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It's ridiculous that someone got arrested for helping another...doesn't matter if you keep feeding them the problem witll always be there....we are always going to have homeless because of the forever rising prices....for arresting a man for doing a good thing which is just in the morals of humans is just sad people will be scared of helping each other in the future and that will be a very bad day.

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Looks like compassion is anti-american...

The 'problem' will go away when the homeless people die of starvation, meanwhile the 1%ers will find more loopholes to avoid paying tax.

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Quote from: Fabrizio89 on November 06, 2014, 02:56:47 AM

Quote from: Vod on November 06, 2014, 12:33:05 AM

I can see their point... if you keep feeding the problem, it will never go away.

Give a man a fish...

Yes, I agree with you to a certain extent. But when the system cannot provide for people, who should do so if not others? This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own. They surely won't start a riot because no one would follow homeless people, so they are not a danger. They are worth less than animals in a zoo, because at least those produce a revenue. I'm sure we'll see concentration camps open again one day, and homeless people won't be the only ones to go there.

Economic depression isn't exactly a fault for the common man.

Kicking people when they are down doesn't solve the fundamental issue.

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Quote from: Divinespark on November 06, 2014, 03:50:25 AM

That's really shocking. What's the world coming to, I wonder?

they should award that guy who was giving food to peoples
but looks like they don't want to see hungry people getting food

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