Topic: Artificial intelligence. - page 7. (Read 4040 times)

Thank you for clarification. I outlined above what would lead to that - trying to humanize your tools, creating direct competition out of them in the process 

Lets be honest with ourselves. Terminators themselves, while insanely cool and inspiring are mere drones, slightly more advanced than what our government already use already. What made the apocalypse possible was creation of artifical self-aware super-brain, that still had quite human fear of death. Putting its interests in front of those of humanity. Logically.

You would expect a treason from a person, that feels threatened by you or must compete for the same resources and you would not put loaded gun in his hand, right? To expect any different from smart machine that puts its own survival as number one priority is foolish.

I mean terminator movies in way that AI will become  self aware and start plotting against humans. Well Bill Gates stated that 32bit systems  are not possible but look now what happened... You can never know what will can/cannot happen, we can just speculate and guess. Just because it seems illogical and probably impossible, doesn't mean it can/will never happen.

As a guy that loves technology so much, I think I am really curious and excited on how the future will look into these, Computer has a lot of function and helped us in many ways, and if we know that they will take over the work of human in the future I think that is great, but it still has a lot of risks and may have a great effect in our lives. I think I will be just looking forward on what may happen, and be ready what it may be.

Definitely for.

I mean it's going to be great because all the jobs can be handed over to the robots, and the life we can lead wil be so much easier and the quality of life will be better as we have more free time etc.

But of course, there is a scary side that AI will take over the world. Personally i don't buy it

Heard about Faraday cage? And no, Terminator movies will not happen, even if only for the fact, that Einstein already proved in his equations that you cannot turn back clock on time. Time in universe is flexible but only forwards 

Manual off switch, while common sense is problematic. If you can use it, the "evil guys" can too. Even North Korea has cybernetic experts in its military. The best fail safe against AI is and is going to be the fact, that its development and eventual infrastructure is still dependant on human factor. Even though 90% of humankind is already expendable from purely cold, logical standpointof machine.

Karel Capek, my compatriot, already wrote that in book, that coined the word "robot" for western audience  machine cannot replace inteligent life and vice versa, making cooperation most beneficial for both.

The worst possible thing to do, would be try to humanize the robots, ie. they would retain their immortality and other various advantages while insisiting on human (or rather postmodern western?) values, feelings and god forbid religion. You would basically end up with futuristic version of Aryan race. And yes, that could and would lead to quite nasty war.

There doesnt have to be conflict, if machines keep complementing humans - not replacing them in the process. And thats our responsibility, not of our tools.

Even if the development of AI leads to the Terminator events, I seriously doubt that the creators of that AI wouldn't implement some manual "off switch" in order to prevent things like that if they ever occur... Just a thought tho.. Also, emp?

Tell me, where it may lead? Machine has very precise thinking with very little space for "abstraction", feelings etc. Ive read fiction where AI absolutely logically assumed, that commandment "you shall prevent human harm" actually means "gas everybody and save them the pain of living in rotting flesh".

Giving power over your life and death to a tool you have no means of controlling is worth a Darwins price.

And no, not all work is going to go to robots. Look how the west turned NGOs (pretty much modern day church) and state apparatus into armies ever increasing taxation in the process. We already have robots doing most of the work. At no point in history did so few people - engineers, scientists, technicians and doctors, feed so many others. With assistance of robots.

You really believe that situation, where most of the population is expendable will lead to something good?   With all seeing AI none the less...

While thought-capable artificial beings appeared as storytelling devices in antiquity,[13] the idea of actually trying to build a machine to perform useful reasoning may have begun with Ramon Llull (c. 1300 CE). With his Calculus ratiocinator, Gottfried Leibniz extended the concept of the calculating machine (Wilhelm Schickard engineered the first one around 1623), intending to perform operations on concepts rather than numbers.[14] Since the 19th century, artificial beings are common in fiction, as in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or Karel Čapek's R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots).[15]

The study of mechanical or "formal" reasoning began with philosophers and mathematicians in antiquity. In the 19th century, George Boole refined those ideas into propositional logic and Gottlob Frege developed a notational system for mechanical reasoning (a "predicate calculus").[16] Around the 1940s, Alan Turing's theory of computation suggested that a machine, by shuffling symbols as simple as "0" and "1", could simulate any conceivable act of mathematical deduction. This insight, that digital computers can simulate any process of formal reasoning, is known as the Church–Turing thesis.[17][page needed] Along with concurrent discoveries in neurology, information theory and cybernetics, this led researchers to consider the possibility of building an electronic brain.[18] The first work that is now generally recognized as AI was McCullouch and Pitts' 1943 formal design for Turing-complete "artificial neurons".[14]

A typical computer, even an advanced one can't think by itself. For that to happen you'd have to develop an artificial brain that doesn't rely on programming, but decides what it wants to learn by calculating how it could benefit  from it.
Think of it like this, every computer has its limits. It's like a jar that has a small hole on the side. The hole is its processing power, the amount of information it can compute in a given time and the whole volume of the jar is the information it can store. Given access to internet an artificial intelligence would quickly become overwhelmed by the amount of information there is and unable to compute and store it all. It would have to learn to choose and decide what it wants to know and use. Developing a very sophisticated brain is hard, but it's even harder to balance it, so it doesn't go crazy. THat's why a Terminator scenario will not happen, because we are very far from a computer that writes its own code and makes conscious decisions.

If the robots will work, then there is a huge probability that people will cease to be necessary and they will not have to pay salaries

If people all work will make robots for what kind of job we will get salary? Although is certainly tempting. I want artificial intelligence has replaced all the judges in my country. Then it would be in my country there was less corruption.

I think this would be for the better of people's lives. We shouldn't br afraid of ai as i think scientists are very well aware of the dangers and would have contingency if ever they become hostile which is very unlikely. People still hold power over machines and i don't think it's going to be like in the movies.

D-Wave has 4096 computer, it's unthinkable power.

Firstly, I think that this thread should have been created in the "Off-Topic" section, not at "politics & society" because it is still a science-fiction mostly, we dont have real artifical intelligence in use, there are only different kinds of prototypes made on particular scientific projects.

Same as @Scott J, I dont think we need to take AI as something dangerous, which we should never research and implement anywhere.
Indeed, it might be something lethal at some point when technology will go years forward, but we can see just too many branches of industry where AI would make a huge difference to ignore that issue.

Films like "Terminator" is just a science-fiction, dont forget about that.

Well more than the apocalyptic scenarios we're all getting from Hollywood movies, developing AI can push progress to a new high. This would be for communication, medicine and ways to make people's lives better in general. Though yeah there may be a risk in machines becoming a bit too intelligent for comfort, i don't think it would come to a point that it would hurt us. I think we would still be in control even if AI development gets pushed further

While dangerous, I see it as an inevitability.

It mostly has amazing potential to improve everyone's lives, despite the risk it may kill us.

It has long been the development of artificial intelligence. We've all seen the movie "Terminator" and we know where it may lead. On the other hand for a person is very attractive to shift all the work to robots. You for which option?