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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1092. (Read 3917568 times)

legendary
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I wonder if friedcat can start another version of ASICminer in a different geography (right now in Shenzen?) and IPO it separately...I want the chance to get in early on a friedcat operation.

buy a time machine on ebay Smiley



turn it on and lets.... wait, what?
newbie
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I wonder if friedcat can start another version of ASICminer in a different geography (right now in Shenzen?) and IPO it separately...I want the chance to get in early on a friedcat operation.
donator
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They've proven to be good at several things.
hero member
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Just because you are good at one thing doesn't mean you are good at everything.  BTC were put in by shareholder for a mandate to invest in ASICMINER for profit from ASIC (through mining / equipment sale / IP).  It's not in the best interest for ASICMINER to become a conglomerate.  We all see how companies have too much cash in the real world and start doing stupid things with it.

I'm very glad to see management paid out the a decent chunk of profit to shareholders while still retaining enough for development of new products and growth.

My thoughts:

I personally think that the number crunching, dividend arguments and theories on hash rate are less important then the long term potential of the Asicminer intellectual capital.

I see my share ownership as a stake in one of the first well funded start ups in a brand new economy! In my mind, owning shares in Asicminer is akin to being an early investor in Cisco, PayPal, Microsoft or Tesla.

The Entrepreneurs behind Asicminer has in my opinion already proven to be exceptionally trust worthy and intelligent. They seem to be passionate and very well equipped to become a major part in the quickly growing hardware and service economy that is quickly growing around bitcoin.

My personal wish for the pleasant problem of "bitcoin surplus" is for Asicminer to use these funds as a well funded venture capital firm would, investing in high risk/reward bitcoin related projects and services.

Why? Simply because I believe that their track record shows that they are far more likely to succeed in helping bring new software, hardware and Eco system services to market then possibly anyone else in the bitcoin economy.

Sure I love dividends as much as the next guy, but I value the bitcoin Eco system even more. And I believe that the way for Asicminer to best achieve exponential growth would be to use their unique position, knowledge, contacts and capital position to invest in growth rather then leaving it up to me to grow my funds.

But hey, that's just me.


As friedcat stated, if you want to invest in high risk whatever, you can do that with YOUR dividents on YOUR own risk. Why would everyone else have someone decide what with their earnings happens?
You can even reinvest your dividents into more shares.

And if you don't feel up to the responsibility of handling your own money, just send it to me Wink

If you would have understood my post you would realize that I am not arguing that I am I'll equipped to "handle my own money" but rather that Friedcat, the group behind Asicminer etc. have know how, capital and connections that puts them in a unique position. A position that I believe no other entity in the bitcoin industry can challenge.

Why would I want to HAVE to micro manage investments when if I can let a group of more competent and well connected people provide the service for me with a higher chance of success?

Again, to me this is all about track record and trust. Sure, I could find investments, make phone calls, do research and invest myself. But if I had the choice of having Warren Buffet do it form me, I would probably be foolish not to let him..

In my opinion, letting share holders vote on "projects and investments" as motions would be a democratic and smart process for Asicminer to use.

Again, just my opinion.
full member
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My thoughts:

I personally think that the number crunching, dividend arguments and theories on hash rate are less important then the long term potential of the Asicminer intellectual capital.

I see my share ownership as a stake in one of the first well funded start ups in a brand new economy! In my mind, owning shares in Asicminer is akin to being an early investor in Cisco, PayPal, Microsoft or Tesla.

The Entrepreneurs behind Asicminer has in my opinion already proven to be exceptionally trust worthy and intelligent. They seem to be passionate and very well equipped to become a major part in the quickly growing hardware and service economy that is quickly growing around bitcoin.

My personal wish for the pleasant problem of "bitcoin surplus" is for Asicminer to use these funds as a well funded venture capital firm would, investing in high risk/reward bitcoin related projects and services.

Why? Simply because I believe that their track record shows that they are far more likely to succeed in helping bring new software, hardware and Eco system services to market then possibly anyone else in the bitcoin economy.

Sure I love dividends as much as the next guy, but I value the bitcoin Eco system even more. And I believe that the way for Asicminer to best achieve exponential growth would be to use their unique position, knowledge, contacts and capital position to invest in growth rather then leaving it up to me to grow my funds.

But hey, that's just me.


As friedcat stated, if you want to invest in high risk whatever, you can do that with YOUR dividents on YOUR own risk. Why would everyone else have someone decide what with their earnings happens?
You can even reinvest your dividents into more shares.

And if you don't feel up to the responsibility of handling your own money, just send it to me Wink

If you would have understood my post you would realize that I am not arguing that I am I'll equipped to "handle my own money" but rather that Friedcat, the group behind Asicminer etc. have know how, capital and connections that puts them in a unique position. A position that I believe no other entity in the bitcoin industry can challenge.

Why would I want to HAVE to micro manage investments when if I can let a group of more competent and well connected people provide the service for me with a higher chance of success?

Again, to me this is all about track record and trust. Sure, I could find investments, make phone calls, do research and invest myself. But if I had the choice of having Warren Buffet do it form me, I would probably be foolish not to let him..

In my opinion, letting share holders vote on "projects and investments" as motions would be a democratic and smart process for Asicminer to use.

Again, just my opinion.
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sr. member
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My thoughts:

I personally think that the number crunching, dividend arguments and theories on hash rate are less important then the long term potential of the Asicminer intellectual capital.

I see my share ownership as a stake in one of the first well funded start ups in a brand new economy! In my mind, owning shares in Asicminer is akin to being an early investor in Cisco, PayPal, Microsoft or Tesla.

The Entrepreneurs behind Asicminer has in my opinion already proven to be exceptionally trust worthy and intelligent. They seem to be passionate and very well equipped to become a major part in the quickly growing hardware and service economy that is quickly growing around bitcoin.

My personal wish for the pleasant problem of "bitcoin surplus" is for Asicminer to use these funds as a well funded venture capital firm would, investing in high risk/reward bitcoin related projects and services.

Why? Simply because I believe that their track record shows that they are far more likely to succeed in helping bring new software, hardware and Eco system services to market then possibly anyone else in the bitcoin economy.

Sure I love dividends as much as the next guy, but I value the bitcoin Eco system even more. And I believe that the way for Asicminer to best achieve exponential growth would be to use their unique position, knowledge, contacts and capital position to invest in growth rather then leaving it up to me to grow my funds.

But hey, that's just me.


As friedcat stated, if you want to invest in high risk whatever, you can do that with YOUR dividents on YOUR own risk. Why would everyone else have someone decide what with their earnings happens?
You can even reinvest your dividents into more shares.

And if you don't feel up to the responsibility of handling your own money, just send it to me Wink
full member
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I've just created a new site which combines all my ASICMINER hashrate charts (almost) full-screen on 1 page  Cool

www.asicminercharts.com

In the next days/weeks I'll improve it by creating a light & dark version, and maybe some thumbs at the top or side to quickly navigate to the desired chart Smiley


nice! a chart showing hardware sales would be nice aswell
full member
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My thoughts:

I personally think that the number crunching, dividend arguments and theories on hash rate are less important then the long term potential of the Asicminer intellectual capital.

I see my share ownership as a stake in one of the first well funded start ups in a brand new economy! In my mind, owning shares in Asicminer is akin to being an early investor in Cisco, PayPal, Microsoft or Tesla.

The Entrepreneurs behind Asicminer has in my opinion already proven to be exceptionally trust worthy and intelligent. They seem to be passionate and very well equipped to become a major part in the quickly growing hardware and service economy that is quickly growing around bitcoin.

My personal wish for the pleasant problem of "bitcoin surplus" is for Asicminer to use these funds as a well funded venture capital firm would, investing in high risk/reward bitcoin related projects and services.

Why? Simply because I believe that their track record shows that they are far more likely to succeed in helping bring new software, hardware and Eco system services to market then possibly anyone else in the bitcoin economy.

Sure I love dividends as much as the next guy, but I value the bitcoin Eco system even more. And I believe that the way for Asicminer to best achieve exponential growth would be to use their unique position, knowledge, contacts and capital position to invest in growth rather then leaving it up to me to grow my funds.

But hey, that's just me.


and me  Grin
full member
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My thoughts:

I personally think that the number crunching, dividend arguments and theories on hash rate are less important then the long term potential of the Asicminer intellectual capital.

I see my share ownership as a stake in one of the first well funded start ups in a brand new economy! In my mind, owning shares in Asicminer is akin to being an early investor in Cisco, PayPal, Microsoft or Tesla.

The Entrepreneurs behind Asicminer has in my opinion already proven to be exceptionally trust worthy and intelligent. They seem to be passionate and very well equipped to become a major part in the quickly growing hardware and service economy that is quickly growing around bitcoin.

My personal wish for the pleasant problem of "bitcoin surplus" is for Asicminer to use these funds as a well funded venture capital firm would, investing in high risk/reward bitcoin related projects and services.

Why? Simply because I believe that their track record shows that they are far more likely to succeed in helping bring new software, hardware and Eco system services to market then possibly anyone else in the bitcoin economy.

Sure I love dividends as much as the next guy, but I value the bitcoin Eco system even more. And I believe that the way for Asicminer to best achieve exponential growth would be to use their unique position, knowledge, contacts and capital position to invest in growth rather then leaving it up to me to grow my funds.

But hey, that's just me.
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www.bitcoingem.com
Update

The mass production of Block Erupter USB is to be done today. Busy testing and packaging will start.

About the argument of dividend payments, our view is that we will distribute the net income after necessary costs are excluded and funds for foreseeable future (expansion, gen-2 chips) are reserved. Bitcoin is already an investment itself having a great potential. Any investment, no matter how profitable, based on "turning Bitcoins to fiat first" requires double consideration. We can invest the RMBs to bonds and they are almost bound to be more profitable than just holding the RMBs, but we can never say the same to Bitcoins.

So we feel that it is most responsible to let the shareholders decide how to do with the abundant Bitcoins. We will of course find other investments (which are focused on helping the Bitcoin economy therefore benefit all Bitcoin holders), but they are all involved in different risk and return model than a mining/mining hardware company. The shareholders of ASICMINER are in principle not supposed to bear the new different risks on doing other business than Bitfountain's. So if there are new investments, they will be as new adventures, in new collaboration structures, and after a significant period of time since ASICMINER is always the most important job for us to do before the company could gradually run itself with a little less founder involvement.





I think this is the best policy.  Thanks Friedcat for the update
hero member
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I've just created a new site which combines all my ASICMINER hashrate charts (almost) full-screen on 1 page  Cool

www.asicminercharts.com

In the next days/weeks I'll improve it by creating a light & dark version, and maybe some thumbs at the top or side to quickly navigate to the desired chart Smiley


SmiGuel, thanks for the sponsor link and for making such useful charts.

Can you tell us a little about how you collect the data for them? Is it all manually done, or are some things dynamic?

Thanks!
full member
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I've just created a new site which combines all my ASICMINER hashrate charts (almost) full-screen on 1 page  Cool

www.asicminercharts.com

In the next days/weeks I'll improve it by creating a light & dark version, and maybe some thumbs at the top or side to quickly navigate to the desired chart Smiley



You should draw a rocket engine to the very last dividend.
It's hard to spot that jumping out of the chart dot out there Wink
legendary
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O_O careful now we don't want to become apple zombies  
Edit mean really extreme fanboys
(fried cats) (To self come up with a better bull sounding name)  Grin

+1

I don't mind seeing opinions different to mine, as long as they are evidence-based and rational. It's not about picking 'sides', it's about trying to understand something new that is becoming important to a lot of people. Ad-hominem attacks do not an argument make.
hero member
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I've just created a new site which combines all my ASICMINER hashrate charts (almost) full-screen on 1 page  Cool

www.asicminercharts.com

In the next days/weeks I'll improve it by creating a light & dark version, and maybe some thumbs at the top or side to quickly navigate to the desired chart Smiley


How about a counter for the expected div by share which zeroes every week and updates four times a day  Grin, BTW Donated because you are awesome... and because you are registering alot of domains just to provide us with your services -_-!, Sheesh man use subdomains.
sr. member
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whoa!  look at those share prices. 
What a week for AM!
sr. member
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I've just created a new site which combines all my ASICMINER hashrate charts (almost) full-screen on 1 page  Cool

www.asicminercharts.com

In the next days/weeks I'll improve it by creating a light & dark version, and maybe some thumbs at the top or side to quickly navigate to the desired chart Smiley
hero member
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Unlimited Free Crypto
Looks like we have so many bitcoins we don't know what we should do with them Grin

Send some here...... oh wait my wallet is full right now..... I will come back to you later....
hero member
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Anyone keeps track of the USB stick group buys?  If they sold out, that's 5 bitcent of revenue per share.
hero member
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Looks like we have so many bitcoins we don't know what we should do with them Grin
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)


Too late we are already fatatic about ASICMINER

Perfect now we are all Fried Cats Xd
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