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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.


Only problem with traditional datacenters is that the are spec'd out for much lower power density devices.. There aren't really any other computing devices that have this high power density. Even rack servers aren't nearly this dense. IE: You need way more power and cooling for the same amount of square footage.

Oh, I completely agree. the company I'm trying to startup is focusing directly on customers like friedcat. Its very not easy, and its a somewhat niche market (many would be customers couldn't even afford to fill a rack).
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was wondering, are there any ideas what ASICMINER will be doing in 2 years? expand? make higher efficiency chips? maybe this is a silly question, but I was wondering because I see this more like a long term investment
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Amount of noise unit generates is important concern for me and few guys I know, all of us aiming to become ASIC miners.

Why? Covert mining?
Mining at home maybe. I love the word 'covert mining', makes me think of someone sneaking into a library or electronics store and mining..
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AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

Oh, you got me... you spoke of boards so i thought in GH. But 0.33GH is small for one unit to sell only. I hope to hear something about from friedcat soon.
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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.


Only problem with traditional datacenters is that the are spec'd out for much lower power density devices.. There aren't really any other computing devices that have this high power density. Even rack servers aren't nearly this dense. IE: You need way more power and cooling for the same amount of square footage.
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Amount of noise unit generates is important concern for me and few guys I know, all of us aiming to become ASIC miners.

Why? Covert mining?
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Do we have an idea of the density of mhash/s on the current boards?
We could kinda estimate the hashrate for smaller/any size pcb's that way.

To calculate this we'd need:
-size of the boards currently hashing
-amount of chips / board

knowing hashrate / chip = 336 mhash/s

Edit: Seems like 64 chips / pcb

Now we only need size of the board :-) any estimates?
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It's 336 MH/s /chip Smiley

Indeed, nearly got an heartattack reading 330 mh/s for those massive pcb's.
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It's 336 MH/s /chip Smiley

Overclocked 392MH/s
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or maybe it's not really a board, but rather just one chip
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

That would be much. It will be hard to get a good price for this then i believe. The $20000 for 66MH avalon at ebay wouldnt be met this way i believe. Even though you could buy such machine i believe very few could bid on this. Or the machines go away for low btc.

Avalon is 66-67 GH/s. So about 200 asicminer boards.
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

That would be much. It will be hard to get a good price for this then i believe. The $20000 for 66MH avalon at ebay wouldnt be met this way i believe. Even though you could buy such machine i believe very few could bid on this. Or the machines go away for low btc.
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy
legendary
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.
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hm. I'm renting a 10U rack space with 6amp in a ISP in Thailand. It goes about $350 monthly.
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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.

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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Friedcat said already that some machines are at other places. But that seems to be not a solution for many TH.
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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?
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friedcat... how long will it take until single asic miner are built and how many TH do you plan to sell? I think selling all 50TH would lead to bad prices at the end because i think the number of peoples able to buy such an asicminer asic are limited. So did you guys already plan how many machines with how many TH you want to sell?
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