ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 185.

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Quote from: empoweoqwj on September 22, 2014, 02:35:27 AM

Quote from: webbrowser on September 18, 2014, 11:17:51 AM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on September 18, 2014, 08:48:05 AM

I should know. I paid 4 BTC for AM shares a year or so ago .....

Didn't you lose all your AM shares when your havelock account got hacked, or did I get people mixed up?

Yes lost them all. Havelock gave me back 50%

What? gave you back from what ? did they caught part of the BTC or shares that were stolen or what

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Quote from: webbrowser on September 18, 2014, 11:17:51 AM

Quote from: empoweoqwj on September 18, 2014, 08:48:05 AM

I should know. I paid 4 BTC for AM shares a year or so ago .....

Didn't you lose all your AM shares when your havelock account got hacked, or did I get people mixed up?

Yes lost them all. Havelock gave me back 50%

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Quote from: silverfuture on September 21, 2014, 06:44:38 PM

Agreed more communication is strongly desired and many shareholders are more than happy to lend assistance wherever needed. It's really up to Friedcat and there's not much we can do but ask and wait or sell.

I think the trend of minimal information and infrequent updates is well enough established that you can't expect things to change, now.

You have to be happy to invest based on the trickle of information you currently do get.

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Quote from: friedcat on September 21, 2014, 10:56:37 PM

Brief
ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. It greatly reduces power
consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.

...

Power consumption: ~0.67 W/G board-wise. On-wall power consumption relies on PSU
efficiency. (typically 1050-1100 W per full device, 0.75-0.78 W/G)

Nice. I wonder how they managed to squeeze improve power efficiency by ~25% compared to the X24 design.

But even though this further destroys the mining competition, it probably requires nerves of steel to continue investing in miners at this time.

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Quote from: Chris_Sabian on September 21, 2014, 11:13:33 PM

Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on September 21, 2014, 10:59:29 PM

I see we have a new blockeruptor
Its called the Prisma
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791827.0;topicseen

Good to see that AM and FC are still working. Although the name of Prisma makes me think of the NSA PRISM...

Thanks I hadn't yet thought of that one
First thing to my head was the Asicminer Plasma

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Prisma is a satellite project led by the Swedish Space Corporation (SSC) which consist of two satellites that fly in formation.
Satellites are on the way to the moon Tongue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisma

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Quote from: EternalWingsofGod on September 21, 2014, 10:59:29 PM

I see we have a new blockeruptor
Its called the Prisma
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791827.0;topicseen

Good to see that AM and FC are still working. Although the name of Prisma makes me think of the NSA PRISM...

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I see we have a new blockeruptor
Its called the Prisma
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791827.0;topicseen

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central banking = outdated protocol

Quote from: superduh on September 21, 2014, 11:10:42 AM

if it doesnt go to the moon and even taking into account they've paid out more than people invested in the IPO. AMs failure would be a sign that every company on the securities forum is a failure. which all have been besides AM

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/

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central banking = outdated protocol

Agreed more communication is strongly desired and many shareholders are more than happy to lend assistance wherever needed. It's really up to Friedcat and there's not much we can do but ask and wait or sell.

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Quote from: vortex1878 on September 21, 2014, 08:12:35 AM

Quote from: silverfuture on September 21, 2014, 07:41:40 AM

Quote from: sharky101 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:06 AM

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often.

I don't see how shareholder confidence is a threat to the company. AM is not looking to do another IPO or asking for support from shareholders in any way so if people want to dump shares cheap it's really not a problem for anyone but the seller. Customers don't care if shareholders get fed or not and there are lots of folks who would love to get a piece of the action for cheap. We are in a big crunch, AM doesn't have to destroy all of the competition, just weed out all the weak ones and pre-order garbage out there. The new Cointerra offering is just begging to fail like so many others. Pre-orders and other garbage needs to end, but good companies running tight ships should survive the AM assault.

You are forgetting that many shareholders have been very helpful in the sales (and also this) thread - both by helping with technical problems / other requests and also silencing the trolls. And that is absolutely necessary looking at the quality of AM's sales rep.

I can only speak for myself: I have not lost any confidence in AM but I am more than annoyed with the silence. At least a free hug from time to time (w/o disclosing any info that might help competitors with their strategic decisions) would paint a completely different picture.

Imho this venture can only turn out in 2 ways for the shareholders: 0 or moon. Of course there is the 3rd possibility to get out right now. But I for myself will not. Let the ship either sink or learn flying; I will stay on board.

if it doesnt go to the moon and even taking into account they've paid out more than people invested in the IPO. AMs failure would be a sign that every company on the securities forum is a failure. which all have been besides AM

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Quote from: silverfuture on September 21, 2014, 07:41:40 AM

Quote from: sharky101 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:06 AM

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often.

I don't see how shareholder confidence is a threat to the company. AM is not looking to do another IPO or asking for support from shareholders in any way so if people want to dump shares cheap it's really not a problem for anyone but the seller. Customers don't care if shareholders get fed or not and there are lots of folks who would love to get a piece of the action for cheap. We are in a big crunch, AM doesn't have to destroy all of the competition, just weed out all the weak ones and pre-order garbage out there. The new Cointerra offering is just begging to fail like so many others. Pre-orders and other garbage needs to end, but good companies running tight ships should survive the AM assault.

You are forgetting that many shareholders have been very helpful in the sales (and also this) thread - both by helping with technical problems / other requests and also silencing the trolls. And that is absolutely necessary looking at the quality of AM's sales rep.

I can only speak for myself: I have not lost any confidence in AM but I am more than annoyed with the silence. At least a free hug from time to time (w/o disclosing any info that might help competitors with their strategic decisions) would paint a completely different picture.

Imho this venture can only turn out in 2 ways for the shareholders: 0 or moon. Of course there is the 3rd possibility to get out right now. But I for myself will not. Let the ship either sink or learn flying; I will stay on board.

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central banking = outdated protocol

Quote from: sharky101 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:06 AM

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often.

I don't see how shareholder confidence is a threat to the company. AM is not looking to do another IPO or asking for support from shareholders in any way so if people want to dump shares cheap it's really not a problem for anyone but the seller. Customers don't care if shareholders get fed or not and there are lots of folks who would love to get a piece of the action for cheap. We are in a big crunch, AM doesn't have to destroy all of the competition, just weed out all the weak ones and pre-order garbage out there. The new Cointerra offering is just begging to fail like so many others. Pre-orders and other garbage needs to end, but good companies running tight ships should survive the AM assault.

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 21, 2014, 07:14:26 AM

Quote from: sharky101 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:06 AM

Quote from: webbrowser on September 21, 2014, 06:34:31 AM

Quote from: arnuschky on September 20, 2014, 02:23:05 PM

I suspect that most of the manufacturers need to turn to self-mining, simply because that's still better than sitting on the product.

The question is - for how much longer?

I suspect self-mining will only really remain an option for those with market-beating power efficiency and/or a deal with high deployment/low tariff farms such as datatank.

I'd put money on DataTank and AM have done some kind of deal. We're now reaching the realms where efficiency is key. DataTank have the efficiency technology and AM the chip experience. Also with the uncertainties of China's stance on bitcoin in general, it's good to know that a shipping container can be relocated in a couple of days.

If friedcat is truly the business person we all expect him to be, he would have seen the mining squeeze coming and formed alliances as appropriate.

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often. I don't think shareholders are unreasonable expecting this. Friedcat doesn't need even need to divulge anything commercial sensitive. He just needs to be seen to be proactive and that his plan of action is pushing ahead.

I really hope FC pass by this and give us a free "everything is ok" hug.

I think a dividend would say more. That said I don't expect one for a number of months (feel free to surprise us FC), there is just too much competition. If we wipe some of that competition out maybe there will become room to make some dividend spends. At present everything should be reinvested for mass gen4 production.

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Quote from: sharky101 on September 21, 2014, 07:09:06 AM

Quote from: webbrowser on September 21, 2014, 06:34:31 AM

Quote from: arnuschky on September 20, 2014, 02:23:05 PM

I suspect that most of the manufacturers need to turn to self-mining, simply because that's still better than sitting on the product.

The question is - for how much longer?

I suspect self-mining will only really remain an option for those with market-beating power efficiency and/or a deal with high deployment/low tariff farms such as datatank.

I'd put money on DataTank and AM have done some kind of deal. We're now reaching the realms where efficiency is key. DataTank have the efficiency technology and AM the chip experience. Also with the uncertainties of China's stance on bitcoin in general, it's good to know that a shipping container can be relocated in a couple of days.

If friedcat is truly the business person we all expect him to be, he would have seen the mining squeeze coming and formed alliances as appropriate.

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often. I don't think shareholders are unreasonable expecting this. Friedcat doesn't need even need to divulge anything commercial sensitive. He just needs to be seen to be proactive and that his plan of action is pushing ahead.

I really hope FC pass by this and give us a free "everything is ok" hug.

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Quote from: webbrowser on September 21, 2014, 06:34:31 AM

Quote from: arnuschky on September 20, 2014, 02:23:05 PM

I suspect that most of the manufacturers need to turn to self-mining, simply because that's still better than sitting on the product.

The question is - for how much longer?

I suspect self-mining will only really remain an option for those with market-beating power efficiency and/or a deal with high deployment/low tariff farms such as datatank.

I'd put money on DataTank and AM have done some kind of deal. We're now reaching the realms where efficiency is key. DataTank have the efficiency technology and AM the chip experience. Also with the uncertainties of China's stance on bitcoin in general, it's good to know that a shipping container can be relocated in a couple of days.

If friedcat is truly the business person we all expect him to be, he would have seen the mining squeeze coming and formed alliances as appropriate.

The biggest threat to AM at present is the sheer lack of shareholder confidence. In my opinion this is an easy problem to solve, it only needs a few words from friedcat little and often. I don't think shareholders are unreasonable expecting this. Friedcat doesn't need even need to divulge anything commercial sensitive. He just needs to be seen to be proactive and that his plan of action is pushing ahead.

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What is the low voltage efficiency like on the BE200, how competitive would it be if every miner is underclocking to save power?

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Quote from: arnuschky on September 20, 2014, 02:23:05 PM

I suspect that most of the manufacturers need to turn to self-mining, simply because that's still better than sitting on the product.

The question is - for how much longer?

I suspect self-mining will only really remain an option for those with market-beating power efficiency and/or a deal with high deployment/low tariff farms such as datatank.

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Quote from: bitcoin.newsfeed on September 21, 2014, 02:47:31 AM

bitcointalk.org now blocked in China

http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=bitcointalk.org

so friendly environment for AM...

It's not true! I'm from China.

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bitcointalk.org now blocked in China

http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/index.php?siteurl=bitcointalk.org

so friendly environment for AM...

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 20, 2014, 07:07:39 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on September 20, 2014, 07:00:43 AM

How Discus Fish Became China’s Largest Bitcoin Mining Pool

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-mining-pool-discus-fish-bitcoin/

Lemme guess... AM?! Grin

AM franchises maybe...

Well, I wouldn't bet on that. (except that we all did, right? Wink

) I think that many (maybe all) of the Chinese miner/chip manufacturers are in the same position as AM. Prices are down, sales are down, and there are too many manufacturers and products on the market (mining bubble, anyone?) I suspect that most of the manufacturers need to turn to self-mining, simply because that's still better than sitting on the product.

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