Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 210. (Read 3917468 times)

Yeah, but chips already sold for about $0.35/GH/s in early June, so we're not achieving those prices anymore! But given the trouble with gen 3, we indeed may see gen 4 much earlier than initially planned. We could see sample chips in late October if this is true!

Does it only work on the 4 pools in the HW thread, I thought there was a proxy for the rest now

Is there any source for tapeout or was that just a rumor?

8 Tubes assembled and running.  30 seconds of disappointment with the limited pool choices.  Zero issues beyond that.
I don't agree they're garbage.

As much as I would also like to see frequent updates, your approach and logic are just wrong imho.

I did send this as a pm.
took me 5 sec. I can do this every week and will not hurt me at all.
I will even feel better for letting him know whats up. Feedback - you know.

The more people do this the more time of him gets wasted on sorting emails.
Only when this bothers him enough will he consider actually doing something.

Edit: It's not like we are asking alot. Communication does prevent war.
Even among shareholders of Asicminer. I do not think that he is incapable
to write something like:

Everything on track. Expect numbers in about 4 weeks.
OR
Dividend will not happen in August: Building greater reserves.
OR
Next shareholder meeting middle November.
OR
We would like to publicly thank Rockminer for great cooperation

If he doesn't like this thread for its quality, it might be that he does not help
to raise it himself....

Welcome to "the club".

Dear friedcat,

I would like you to issue a short press release
every 2 weeks minimum.

Sincerely

Your Shareholder

This. 

Re-use/continue device piece supply line, insert BE300 (interchangeable parts, I like), fix end-user flexibility/stratum proxy issues, roll out next gen of miners in February and AM re-proves itself to the world over again.  Now, whether its to happen, and whether friedcat can bring it to market in time is the main question.

It's really not even about who you trust more. It just doesn't make any sense to imagine that the Spongebobtech CEO knows more about Asicminer than Asicminers own CEO. Does Guy also know what color underwear I'm wearing?

Why would so many competitors give Guy all this sensitive info? And what kind of NDA prevents him from disclosing the source, yet allows him to disclose all the info?





(this one was deleted for being so wrong: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/page-68#post-6031635)

And AM have been making money by self-mining and by selling chips and miners. We know they had 60 Ph/s and they were selling chips for around 0.5 $/G.


We could use that to establish an upper limit of 30 million USD. With a mask cost of around 3 million USD, AM could pay for it through 6 Ph/s of chip sales. Given the sales of miners as well, I don't think AM will have much to worry about with regards to funding gen 4.

With BE300 correcting the mistakes of BE200 and being pin compatible with BE200, the roll-out of BE300 will be far quicker and cost less too. Quite a few manufacturers already have experience with BE200 and a well performing BE300 would be very tempting to them. The production infrastructure for building miners would already be there as well and allow rapid deployment of miners for sale and self-mining. Overall, it should be a very smooth and profitable transition if the chips perform anywhere near as well as expected.

I agree the SP-Tech stuff is so over priced doubt anyone will ever get positive ROI.  The AM tubes are garbage and most buyers are having issues...I made the mistake of getting one and it shipped with a dead controller. I hope AM will make some decent hardware with these BE300 chips and actually test them before shipping.

Then it's a matter of who we trust. You trust FC. I trust Guy. I am sure that he doesn't want to build a career in bitcoin mining based on lies and on false rumors just like others. He plans to be in this business for a long time and his actions towards his customers prove my point. Don't mistake him with scammer Josh Zerlan or with redbull boy Joshua Zipkin who has no problem stealing money from old army veterans. Care to elaborate the countless times when he was wrong? And don't give me the SP30 specs.

Guess we will have to wait to see how will this unfold, but the reason that I don't believe FC is because he also stated that the self mining started mid-july, but there is no evidence for that except that they have 200Th/s on BTCGuild. No dividends, no official speed, nothing.


First of all I wasn't aware that BFL had an affiliate program. Second of all I don't intend to support hardware that is being shipped 13 months later and that is bad quality. I think that being fair and trying to recommend good products/services has more returns than trying to make a quick buck while screwing people.

I see no problem in earning some money by supporting a good product. You are earning money too in form of dividends when you are supporting AM's products so it's the same thing. Except that people can see that I am affiliated to a company, while you don't seem to be affiliated to any company to a newbie when in fact you are an AM shareholder so from my point of view I am being more fair than you. When your signature will be "AM shareholder" then we will be equals regarding products/companies affiliation.

Here's what we know from FC about gen 4:



And here's some translated info from the salon:


And then we had this rumour:


A tape-out some time in the next month doesn't seem that unreasonable to me and it pretty much needs to be within the next 2 months for AM to have any chance of producing gen 4 hardware this year.

Basing your assumptions on a rumor from a competing company's CEO who has been wrong countless times and almost never right is simply idiotic.

FC has outright denied the rumors started by Guy that AM is selling at cost and FC's word can be taken at face value unlike Guys.

Guy has never been a reliable source and he has proven he will say anything that could garner a few more preorders.


So you are just advertising and earning money for every sale you are responsible for correct? I'm not sure how that isn't a form of selling.

Again, why not sell advertise hardware for BFL?

Well neither you or any of the shareholder don't know for sure if I am wrong or not so you don't know that I am making absurd assumptions or not until you see exactly for how much profit they sell the chips. As for baseless, well they aren't baseless. I am basing my assumption on what Guy said and also on the lack of dividends/information/other projects. A 28nm mask+chips don't cost 10M$.


I told you in the past that I am not selling anything. I am just supporting their hardware. Having an affiliate link and praising their quality hardware isn't selling.

Do you think that the reason you are constantly insulted may be because you are constantly making absurd/baseless assumptions about how much AM is failing/will fail?


So I guess this means you've completely justified ripping off naive noobs by selling them SPtech hardware?

Serious question, if you don't care the slightest about ROI, why not just be a used car salesman for BFL instead? Just like spongebobtech, bfl makes reliable and pretty hardware at an incredibly unreasonable price.

Will be interesting to see if others are having issues, I have only seen people complaining about assembly... but I believe that was done so as to get miners out as fast as possible.  Time is usually the biggest factor and offering them unembarrassed was a smart idea for people willing to put in the work.

Sure, but at a minimal/nonexistent profit for AM.


"If"s don't move anything. Money move stuff.

Edit: An unsatisfied customer of the Tubes:

Is the pure speculation or has it come from board members/friedcat?

Having 28nm chips taped out would be a step in the right direction. Explaining to some extent lack of dividends, justifying hopes of 2014 deployment. Per se not a game changer but very, very heartening. Let's hope it's true.