Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 619. (Read 3917468 times)

Its correct that the advantage of lower process nodes arent so high in cost like it looks on the first view since a chip is way more expensive. But a big factor to keep in mind is that you save a lot money by assembly, you need less miner boards, you need less work to do for the same TH and you need less space. Not to forget the higher speed to bring up TH.
So as long as you dont plan to sell... for mining lower process nodes have some good advantages.

They don't depend on self-mining though.  There's also franchising as well as sales.


I didn't say the price is similar...  Look, I don't know exact numbers of course, but what I wanted to say is that if there were, say, 20x more hashpower per die, but the die costed 5x as much, then the chip would only have 4x greater price efficiency, not 20x. And yes, the costs are greater for both fixed AND recurring costs, so I'm not extrapolating anything.

I didnt speak about NRE-Costs at all. Only production costs. NRE-Costs are higher of course too and the higher the diff is rising the more impact has it on future chip production. Thats correct.

But isnt asicminer already developing 28nm? I though they developed a 40nm or 65nm chip that didnt work good and now work on 28nm. Or was it another process node?

I didnt speak about NRE-Costs at all. Only production costs. NRE-Costs are higher of course too and the higher the diff is rising the more impact has it on future chip production. Thats correct.

But isnt asicminer already developing 28nm? I though they developed a 40nm or 65nm chip that didnt work good and now work on 28nm. Or was it another process node?

The NRE costs for all 28nm were payed buy customers preorder funds that were willing to dig their own grave.
Not an option for Asicminer.

I guess this is relevant: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8399/how-can-pool-operators-reduce-the-number-of-orphaned-blocks-that-they-mine



And this may be relevant for the question within that reference, asking why more transactions are not included.
https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/5044482

Its correct that the advantage of lower process nodes arent so high in cost like it looks on the first view since a chip is way more expensive. But a big factor to keep in mind is that you save a lot money by assembly, you need less miner boards, you need less work to do for the same TH and you need less space. Not to forget the higher speed to bring up TH.
So as long as you dont plan to sell... for mining lower process nodes have some good advantages.

I think the important thing for AM is "hash density", since deploying new data centers is costly and time consuming. With a 40nm design they could potentially multiply their hashing power by an order of magnitude or more in the same space (cue to the potential need for special cooling solutions).

You point out the price per GH/s as being similar, but is that on a per wafer basis, i.e. without the NRE's, or do you somehow extrapolate the production numbers and include them as well?

Are there similar plans with TAT.VIRTUALMINE on bitfunder? To change it for something on havelock...

TAT.VM does not, and will not, exist on Havelock. Migrations to Bitfunder will be completed.

G.ASICMINER Offer (Limited Time Only, Ends Nov. 15, 2013)
We have decided to offer a limited time service to convert your G.ASICMINER shares into AM100 (HavelockInvestments.com) fractional shares. There is no fee to convert to AM100 (fractional shares), but please note that AM100 shares carry a 5% management fee on dividends.



AM100 & TAT.ASICMINER Offer (Limited Time Only, Ends Nov. 15, 2013)
Additionally, we will be offering AM100 or TAT.ASICMINER shareholders a temporary service to convert their shares into AM1 or direct shares for a fee of 5 (five) TAT.ASICMINER shares per whole share. That is a 105:1 ratio.

NOTE: If you want to go direct from G.ASICMINER to AM1 or direct shares, you may, but you must pay the 5 (five) TAT.ASICMINER-shares-per-whole-share fee still.



Example #1: You have 10 G.ASICMINER shares, but you want to convert them to AM100 fractional shares. Pay no fees, simply push your G.ASICMINER shares to TATInvestments and email us according to the instructions below.

Example #2: You have 10 G.ASICMINER shares, but you want to convert them to direct shares. Push the 10 G.ASICMINER shares plus 50 TAT.ASICMINER shares to TATInvestments, and follow the instructions below.

Example #3: You have 1000 AM100 shares, but you want to convert them to AM1 shares. Push 1050 AM100 shares back to us, and email us according to the directions below.



The following limitations apply:
1. You must initiate each conversion request before November 15, 2013.
2. Due to many requests, your migration might take anywhere from 1-14 days to process.
3. Beginning Nov. 15th, these temporary services will be discontinued.
4. We can make no guarantees that Bitfunder or Havelock will not impose additional limitations on trading in the future.



How to Convert G.ASICMINER Shares to AM100:
 1. Push the amount of shares to the issuer account on Bitfunder: TATInvestments
 2. Make the subject of your email: G.ASIC
 3. Send an e-mail to [email protected] from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Bitfunder account name (not email),
  - Bitfunder public wallet address
  - Quantity of shares pushed
  - Havelock registered email address


How to Convert Your AM100 (or TAT.ASICMINER) Shares to Direct Shares with Friedcat
 1. Using the Transfer feature, push the AM100 (or TAT.ASICMINER) shares to the issuer account. They must be a 105:1 ratio, this means the minimum is 105 AM100 or TAT.ASICMINER shares.
 2. Make the subject of your email: AM100
 3. Send an e-mail to [email protected] from your account email address registered with HavelockInvestments.com and include the following info:
  - Account name
  - Quantity of shares pushed
  - Wallet address that you want the direct shares attached to
  - Email address you want the shares attached to

Do NOT send your request more than once, and do NOT include multiple requests in one email.

Conversions will be transferred in batches, and confirmations will ONLY be sent after each batch. Do NOT send emails requesting updates.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests. TAT Investments is not responsible for any limitations or discontinuations of services or access to liquidity imposed by the host exchanges.

Yes, this is for Havelock AM100 and Bitfunder TAT.ASICMINER shares.

Please check your Havelock Account Portfolio Page for a link that says "Xfr" by your shares. If it's not there, email us.

I wonder whats the reason for that. Maybe asicminer is too poorly connected to other wallets? I mean a miner that is connected to as many wallets as possible and those wallets are again connected to as many miners as possible should have an advantage against a miner that is poorly connected because the block that is accepted by most miners wins. When i understand it correctly. So i only see that as an explaination. I doubt a internet connection can be that bad to have such a big effect.

We've seen AM's "data center", so who knows what ISPs were chosen. Running services out of mainland china is not as simple as you'd think:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2733783

Hi TAT,

This is an offer that I'd like to take up - but some advice would be great. I have 5174 TAT.ASICMINER shares on BitFunder, and 150 AM100 shares on HaveLock. Would like to convert these both to AM1 just on Havelock, and have them all in one Exchange.

Whats best way to do? Looks like I'd have to transfer 4200 TAT.ASICMINER into 4 AM1, and then 105 AM100 into 1 AM1.

This correct? Any ideas what I can do with the left-over shares..?

Would this trade-in also apply to users on Havelock?  If so, I did not see a 'transfer' function.
Thanks in advance.

G.ASICMINER Offer (Limited Time Only, Ends Nov. 15, 2013)
We have decided to offer a limited time service to convert your G.ASICMINER shares into AM100 (HavelockInvestments.com) fractional shares. There is no fee to convert to AM100 (fractional shares), but please note that AM100 shares carry a 5% management fee on dividends.

AM100 & TAT.ASICMINER Offer (Limited Time Only, Ends Nov. 15, 2013)
Additionally, we will be offering AM100 or TAT.ASICMINER shareholders a temporary service to convert their shares into AM1 or direct shares for a fee of 5 (five) TAT.ASICMINER shares per whole share. That is a 105:1 ratio.

How to Convert Your AM100 (or TAT.ASICMINER) Shares to Direct Shares with Friedcat
 1. Using the Transfer feature, push the AM100 (or TAT.ASICMINER) shares to the issuer account. They must be a 105:1 ratio, this means the minimum is 105 AM100 or TAT.ASICMINER shares.