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EDIT: I would find a fact of someone raping my daughter as a threat on her life and act accordingly. Later I would put a knife in hands of dead rapist
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This is a tricky one for people. Rape is horrible, however it is not on par with murder. Force can only be proportional and killing is not a proportional response. You would face murder charges for protecting your virginity by killing someone. It is common misconception about our rights as conceal carriers. We can't draw our weapons unless someone is about to die. No exceptions.
I don't read your statements as being in line with any of the several state statutes which I am familiar with.
First, you assert
"we can't draw our weapons unless someone is about to die. No exceptions."But that's not the way the law is worded because it does not create actionable guidance.
Rephrase it as "threat of serious bodily injury" and maybe add "imminent" and yo have more realistic wording. But then your prior assertion is falsified.
Rape is horrible, however it is not on par with murder. Force can only be proportional and killing is not a proportional response. You would face murder charges for protecting your virginity by killing someone. And this statement is simply false. But if you are referring to killing someone after the act is completed, then yeah, that shouldn't be done and would be murder.
Your right about my word choice, it does not say that "someone has to die" lol.
But it is illegal to un-holster where I live. The only exception is when defending yourself and since you can only defend your life with proportional force, it is an effective rule of thumb. Here the "threat of bodily injury" is not a high enough benchmark unless it is reasonable to believe that the injuries could result in death. So if someone punches you in the face you can't just shoot them in the face as a response.
The rape example was drilled into our heads in class. Rape and murder laws are state laws and vary in definition. In some places it may be legal to stop a rapist with a bullet. I was taught that in Wisconsin you will go to jail for such an action. Rape is bad, it can cause physical trauma and will likely cause emotional trauma that will last for years. But you can't kill someone legally for making you feel bad. You can however fight back, and if the fight escalates into a life threatening fight, then you can use deadly force.
Yeah, the example one of my instructors used was 'you come across a couple struggling, obviously the girl's being raped, and you shoot. Turns out they just liked to play rough..."
If the instructor is good, and if he uses a variety of situations and scenarios, he can get across something about proper usage given a particular state's law.
The 'proportional response' thing is just common sense. But again, your examples seem to presume knowledge of the result when all that exists is evidence of assault. The girl doesn't know if it's going to be rape followed by murder, and it could be. So the gun can be pulled when the assault is evident and threat of bodily harm imminent.
Clearly in some cases, you might get punched and be reasonably sure or even certain that it wasn't part of a serious physical assault that would result in severe injury or death. But in other cases that might not be certain at all. Thing is, you never know for sure.
Four punks track you at night and close in for some action. Those punks, maybe toss them the money out of your wallet, they go away. Particularly if one hand's inside the jacket, and if they see a hint of something there looks like it might be very bad news.
Most criminals don't want trouble. They really don't want gunfights.