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hero member
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August 31, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
In a peacetime society, guns cause violence to stop, because criminals don't like to be shot.

Criminals who want guns depend on and need you to champion gun ownership.

Unless you are in Maryland. Then they prefer the status quo, which is that guns are banned, and they know that everyone but them is disarmed.

Nobody ever said a non unified approach is worth shit.
If he's resisting your approach to creating a better world through jack booted thuggery he ain't no idiot.

How much more unified can you get than "Carrying a gun? Go to jail."  Or are we back to the "gun control only works if every country in the world implements it, except it woks in Japan despite no unification?"

Japan is consistent.

So is Maryland.

So? How is that the same?

It is the same. Both places are consistent in their bans. How it is different?

Japan is a nation. Maryland is a state within a nation. Duh.

Gun legislation is on a state level, not on countrywide level. So it might as well be a country from gun control standpoint. Only difference is it's easier to get into MD from the border areas than into the island of Japan. I guess we should set up border fence everywhere and rifle through everyone's cars and baggage every time anyone crosses state lines. That should fix any problems.

My god you're an idiot. Oh, I said that before. I wonder why. Go back and read the very dialog we had, quoted right here. Look for the term "unified". Jesus fuck.

Thank you for quoting me. It accentuates the point.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 11:08:10 PM

My god you're an idiot. Oh, I said that before. I wonder why. Go back and read the very dialog we had, quoted right here. Look for the term "unified". Jesus fuck.
If he resists your polemic regarding fixing the world's problems through increasing the amount of jack booted thugs taking things away from people and ordering them around, he ain't no idiot.
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August 31, 2013, 10:45:04 PM
In a peacetime society, guns cause violence to stop, because criminals don't like to be shot.

Criminals who want guns depend on and need you to champion gun ownership.

Unless you are in Maryland. Then they prefer the status quo, which is that guns are banned, and they know that everyone but them is disarmed.

Nobody ever said a non unified approach is worth shit.

How much more unified can you get than "Carrying a gun? Go to jail."  Or are we back to the "gun control only works if every country in the world implements it, except it woks in Japan despite no unification?"

Japan is consistent.

So is Maryland.

So? How is that the same?

It is the same. Both places are consistent in their bans. How it is different?

Japan is a nation. Maryland is a state within a nation. Duh.

Gun legislation is on a state level, not on countrywide level. So it might as well be a country from gun control standpoint. Only difference is it's easier to get into MD from the border areas than into the island of Japan. I guess we should set up border fence everywhere and rifle through everyone's cars and baggage every time anyone crosses state lines. That should fix any problems.

My god you're an idiot. Oh, I said that before. I wonder why. Go back and read the very dialog we had, quoted right here. Look for the term "unified". Jesus fuck.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 05:36:45 PM
In a peacetime society, guns cause violence to stop, because criminals don't like to be shot.

Criminals who want guns depend on and need you to champion gun ownership.

Unless you are in Maryland. Then they prefer the status quo, which is that guns are banned, and they know that everyone but them is disarmed.

Nobody ever said a non unified approach is worth shit.

How much more unified can you get than "Carrying a gun? Go to jail."  Or are we back to the "gun control only works if every country in the world implements it, except it woks in Japan despite no unification?"

Japan is consistent.

So is Maryland.

So? How is that the same?

It is the same. Both places are consistent in their bans. How it is different?

Japan is a nation. Maryland is a state within a nation. Duh.

Gun legislation is on a state level, not on countrywide level. So it might as well be a country from gun control standpoint. Only difference is it's easier to get into MD from the border areas than into the island of Japan. I guess we should set up border fence everywhere and rifle through everyone's cars and baggage every time anyone crosses state lines. That should fix any problems.
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August 31, 2013, 05:06:36 PM
Assault weapons should not be banned.

Here in Nigeria, you can buy all weapons.

Just make sure you don't buy American semi auto assault weapons but full auto assault weapons.

That works for you nicely, doesn't it?
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 04:46:17 PM
There was a case some years ago, Cory Maye, where he shot through a door at what he presumed was an armed intruder.  It turned out to be a police officer that was doing a SWAT team style raid on the wrong house - a "no knock raid".  He was convicted of capital murder, spent ten years or so in the state pen and was released on appeal to the state supreme court.

Moral of that story:  DO NOT EVER THINK about shooting at something behind a door

His might actually have been a prudent decision. For shooting through the door, he got ten years in prison. What do you think he would have gotten had he waited for the SWAT team to break down his door and see him with a gun pointed at them?
That is one hell of a point of view to even have to contemplate.

Rules of engagement for police units typically do involve shooting immediately when something that looks like a gun is pointed at them.

The implications of this are obvious when a Swat team no knock raid is involved.  Toy guns, dogs, sticks, anything that looks like a pointy thingy, all get met with the bang bang bang.

That's one side of bad.

The other side is when the SWAT team hits the wrong house, which they do pretty commonly, playing their little game of Johnny Soldier Wanna-be.  Then they encounter Mr. Average and whatever arsenal he's got.

All of this would be solved with a polite knock on the door of course.  But it seems that would give the 'bad guy in the house' (or the 'good guy in the wrong house') time to hide his drugs and more importantly his cash.

GOTTA GET THAT CASH, MAN!!!
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

I forgive you. The thread is long. You can go back and read all the posts again, or simply stop making assumptions about what I've said.

I'm not assuming anything, nor am I rereading what you wrote.  Sorry.  I'm on the freedom side of the fence, you're on the "trust government to take care of you and thugs not to hurt you" fence.

Of course you're not assuming anything, except at the very least what you've said here (quoted above).

That's not an assumption.  It's a conclusion based on my interpretation of your posts. 

M
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August 31, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

I forgive you. The thread is long. You can go back and read all the posts again, or simply stop making assumptions about what I've said.

I'm not assuming anything, nor am I rereading what you wrote.  Sorry.  I'm on the freedom side of the fence, you're on the "trust government to take care of you and thugs not to hurt you" fence.

Of course you're not assuming anything, except at the very least what you've said here (quoted above).
legendary
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RIP Mommy
August 31, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

I forgive you. The thread is long. You can go back and read all the posts again, or simply stop making assumptions about what I've said.

I'm not assuming anything, nor am I rereading what you wrote.  Sorry.  I'm on the freedom side of the fence, you're on the "trust government to take care of you and thugs not to hurt you" fence.

M

Fighting equivocating sociopaths like him is like wrestling pigs in shit. The shit stinks and the pigs like it.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 02:26:07 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

I forgive you. The thread is long. You can go back and read all the posts again, or simply stop making assumptions about what I've said.

I'm not assuming anything, nor am I rereading what you wrote.  Sorry.  I'm on the freedom side of the fence, you're on the "trust government to take care of you and thugs not to hurt you" fence.

M
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
August 31, 2013, 01:45:55 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

I forgive you. The thread is long. You can go back and read all the posts again, or simply stop making assumptions about what I've said.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
August 31, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
Japan is a nation. Maryland is a state within a nation. Duh.

They are spelled differently and have occupants with different last names, but how about offering some distinctions that make a difference, please? Or say why your distinction matters?  Both governmental entities are capable of enforcing their laws, yes?
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 12:05:10 PM
EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.

Please correct me then.  That's what I've derived so far from your posts.

M
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August 31, 2013, 11:12:43 AM
Assault weapons should not be banned.

Here in Nigeria, you can buy all weapons.

Just make sure you don't buy American semi auto assault weapons but full auto assault weapons.
hero member
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Merit: 1000
August 31, 2013, 11:09:11 AM
In a peacetime society, guns cause violence to stop, because criminals don't like to be shot.

Criminals who want guns depend on and need you to champion gun ownership.

Unless you are in Maryland. Then they prefer the status quo, which is that guns are banned, and they know that everyone but them is disarmed.

Nobody ever said a non unified approach is worth shit.

How much more unified can you get than "Carrying a gun? Go to jail."  Or are we back to the "gun control only works if every country in the world implements it, except it woks in Japan despite no unification?"

Japan is consistent.

So is Maryland.

So? How is that the same?

It is the same. Both places are consistent in their bans. How it is different?

Japan is a nation. Maryland is a state within a nation. Duh.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
August 31, 2013, 11:07:06 AM
And on a side note - that thing in the news, about a kid shooting his grandma and GTA being to blame? How the fuck did he get his little hands on a gun? Any updates?

The same way all people who shouldn't have guns get their hands on guns. The huge demand for guns in the U.S. by gun lovers has made sure there's lots of guns to go around.

I'm not sure why you keep repeating this?  Cars are stolen regularly and used for crime.  Should we ban cars too?

Your solution is to punish the innocent for the crimes and carelessness of others.

I suggest you refrain from replying to my statements until you have read all of my posts, otherwise you're just pissing in the wind without understanding my position.

I suggest you stop spewing garbage.  I've read all your posts.

M

EDIT: Your position seems to be:

1 - guns themselves aren't the problem
2 - people wanting guns is the problem
3 - therefore we should prevent those who can use them to most from having them
4 - that'll somehow prevent misuse of guns by those who don't follow laws

I can't make heads or tails of your logic, if there is logic there.  Seems to me you are using a round about way of saying guns are the problem.

Largely incorrect and woefully incomplete.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1035
August 31, 2013, 10:07:10 AM
There was a case some years ago, Cory Maye, where he shot through a door at what he presumed was an armed intruder.  It turned out to be a police officer that was doing a SWAT team style raid on the wrong house - a "no knock raid".  He was convicted of capital murder, spent ten years or so in the state pen and was released on appeal to the state supreme court.

Moral of that story:  DO NOT EVER THINK about shooting at something behind a door

His might actually have been a prudent decision. For shooting through the door, he got ten years in prison. What do you think he would have gotten had he waited for the SWAT team to break down his door and see him with a gun pointed at them?
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 09:59:20 AM
Bullshit. I was robbed, and then the money that the robbers stole from me was used to kill others. Against my wises I might add.


I hear you. My point is that being the US a place where there are so many individuals self-conscious of their rights and armed with guns precisely to protect themselves from the abuse of Government thugs, you would expect a reaction if the government just milks his citizens, outright stealing from them to commit mass murder. That's a pretty big attack to your freedom, isn't it?

Not exactly. If the tax rate was 75%, high enough to pay for these wars directly, you can be sure that people would be royally pissed. But they are stealing a pretty small percent of people's income, something like 15% to 22% in a directly visible way, and less than that for many more people. Instead they are just borrowing the money from war from China and from people they are promising to pay back much later. Oftentimes without people even realizing they are being borrowed from. No so one sees the theft, or cares about it. Part of the reason Bitcoin may improve things: governments will have to actually work for your money, and you will actually have to see and care what the money taken from you is paying for.

And no, I don't think guns protect me from government. They do protect me from criminals. Money protects me from government.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 09:52:25 AM
In a peacetime society, guns cause violence to stop, because criminals don't like to be shot.

Criminals who want guns depend on and need you to champion gun ownership.

Unless you are in Maryland. Then they prefer the status quo, which is that guns are banned, and they know that everyone but them is disarmed.

Nobody ever said a non unified approach is worth shit.

How much more unified can you get than "Carrying a gun? Go to jail."  Or are we back to the "gun control only works if every country in the world implements it, except it woks in Japan despite no unification?"

Japan is consistent.

So is Maryland.

So? How is that the same?

It is the same. Both places are consistent in their bans. How it is different?
legendary
Activity: 2926
Merit: 1386
August 31, 2013, 07:55:38 AM
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I suggest you refrain from replying to my statements until you have read all of my posts, otherwise you're just pissing in the wind without understanding my position.
All guns should be banned because sometimes they are used for bad things by bad people.

All nitroglycerin products should be banned because some of their derivative products are used in bombs by bad people.

All opium products should be banned because some of their derivative products are used for bad things by bad people.

The only exception would be all government agencies at all levels who could use opium, nitroglycerin derivatives, and guns as they choose.

That's your position.  See anything a bit wrong with it?
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