AT vs. Ethereum - what direction are we headed in?

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Quote from: spartacusrex on February 10, 2015, 11:54:53 AM

Hi CIYAM,

Congratulations on AT! You've obviously put a lot of effort into it and it's a wonderful project. Thank you.

I've been coding for over 20 years and I still have difficulty writing actual code in AT machine code.. Sorry.. gave up machine code on my Spectrum 48k.. ;-p (ld hl 16384.. etc.. )

Is there any chance of converting a higher level language, say like java, into AT commands ?

Could we come up with a parser which converts a minimal java.lang subset into AT ?

I believe you mentioned this in some other thread but i can't find it..

You can also find a "tutorial" here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10408276

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The developer of Burst has created this: https://github.com/BurstProject/ATAssembler which makes it much easier to write ATs (you don't need to do raw machine code which is a huge step forward).

Currently we are looking to extend this into a "macro assembler" that should make building ATs much simpler and our main strategy is to use Software Manufacturing (so that code is *generated* from just using HTML forms meaning that you wouldn't need to actually "write code" at all).

Eventually we'll get to adding a HLL assuming the project gains enough momentum but we have only a small number of part-time devs and basically zero funds so we can only get so much done (this is where Ethereum does have a huge advantage over us).

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Hi CIYAM,

Congratulations on AT! You've obviously put a lot of effort into it and it's a wonderful project. Thank you.

I've been coding for over 20 years and I still have difficulty writing actual code in AT machine code.. Sorry.. gave up machine code on my Spectrum 48k.. ;-p (ld hl 16384.. etc.. )

Is there any chance of converting a higher level language, say like java, into AT commands ?

Could we come up with a parser which converts a minimal java.lang subset into AT ?

I believe you mentioned this in some other thread but i can't find it..

CIYAM

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Quote from: vanobe on February 10, 2015, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: eli_lyd1 on February 10, 2015, 08:28:07 AM

http://ciyam.org/at is down

http://ciyam.org/at/ is working for me.

Sorry guys - unfortunately bitronictech.org (the service I use to host ciyam.org) has been rather unreliable of late (if anyone knows of a better hosting VPS service that will let me use my own VM image and pay in BTC for under 50 USD per month please point me at them).

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Quote from: eli_lyd1 on February 10, 2015, 08:28:07 AM

http://ciyam.org/at is down

http://ciyam.org/at/ is working for me.

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http://ciyam.org/at is down

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 29, 2015, 01:16:11 AM

Quote from: oblivi on January 28, 2015, 01:31:41 PM

I still don't see why I should invest in anything that isn't MAIDSafe, it's the original project (started in 2006) and has lots of interesting stuff already shown. How are the other MAID alternatives any better?

That project was not about "smart contracts" but about P2P storage and it is not designed to be incorporated into existing blockchains (so apples and pears).

Can it work with crypto torrents?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10231367

What effort would be involved in enabling the project to become an in-wallet torrent seeder?

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Quote from: bidji29 on January 29, 2015, 06:21:01 PM

You skipped NXT! Would you be up to help if approached by them?

They were initially involved but then rejected AT in favour of some other smart contract idea.

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 29, 2015, 01:22:08 PM

Quote from: Momimaus on January 29, 2015, 01:18:59 PM

Qora is almost dead. What about NXT, Bitshares, Bitcoin, some top 10 or at least top 20 coins?

I'd say wait and see about Qora - Bitshares has its own SC system and Bitcoin is not interested in one for now.

You skipped NXT! Would you be up to help if approached by them?

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If you think the purpose of what we are trying to achieve here ( not specifically us - the AT team ) but in general, then the key word is decentralization. Decentralization does not mean one chain or one platform rules them all, that is not decentralization. The competition is a good thing as it pushes the creativity upwards. There are a lot of developers ( and not only devs ) that have spend hours working on their coins and all we want is to give them a chance to be updated with the latest technological achievements and that is the reason we created AT.

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Quote from: Momimaus on January 29, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

Ethereum is much more than just simple smart contracts.
I think you are doing better not to compare your project with them everytime.

But I have a question. Besides Burst, are there other coins interested in implementing your AT? Some serious projects like NXT, etc. etc.?

ATs are also much more. It might be the "engine" that provides smart contract functionality, but also can close the gap between these different platforms, giving them a way to communicate through ATs. It can be the link of a larger cryptosystem with multiple different platforms in it.

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Quote from: Momimaus on January 29, 2015, 01:18:59 PM

Qora is almost dead. What about NXT, Bitshares, Bitcoin, some top 10 or at least top 20 coins?

I'd say wait and see about Qora - Bitshares has its own SC system and Bitcoin is not interested in one for now.

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Quote from: CIYAM on January 29, 2015, 01:16:54 PM

Quote from: Momimaus on January 29, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

But I have a question. Besides Burst, are there other coins interested in implementing your AT? Some serious projects like NXT, etc. etc.?

Qora will be doing AT very soon and a few other alt coins have approached us with interest to implement AT.

Qora is almost dead. What about NXT, Bitshares, Bitcoin, some top 10 or at least top 20 coins?

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Quote from: Momimaus on January 29, 2015, 01:09:35 PM

But I have a question. Besides Burst, are there other coins interested in implementing your AT? Some serious projects like NXT, etc. etc.?

Qora will be doing AT very soon and a few other alt coins have approached us with interest to implement AT.

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Never back down !!!

Ethereum is much more than just simple smart contracts.
I think you are doing better not to compare your project with them everytime.

But I have a question. Besides Burst, are there other coins interested in implementing your AT? Some serious projects like NXT, etc. etc.?

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Quote from: Remember remember the 5th of November on January 28, 2015, 12:41:47 PM

A bit misleading when you say mainnet but it's an alt.

Do you know what a 'testnet' is?

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Quote from: threecats on January 29, 2015, 01:54:23 AM

Personally I am no Ethereum fanboy but I think it is a very interesting project.

It is - as is Codius and all three projects have their respective strengths and weaknesses.

Quote from: threecats on January 29, 2015, 01:54:23 AM

OP: I would have been interested in learning about AT but the OP does not say what it is or link to any information.

Sorry - documentation is here: http://ciyam.org/at but understand it is really aimed at devs (so is very technical) - I have added the link to the OP.

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i'm watching this post to educate myself.. not sure what all of this means but in the coming days i hope to have a better grasp on the subject.

layman's terms would help a bit.. i know about turing and etherium but this whole post is nonsense to me at this point.

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Escapes me why so many projects feel they have to tear Ethereum down in the process of explaining their own virtues. As for the comment about refusing to look at Ethereum, there is a good reason they are building their own browser, and its a very interesting one. To say that people will not want to switch their browsers is to say people would never want to switch from autos to air travel. Ethereum envisions a different web experience for the average user. Not just of the same web, but a different kind of web in which the current web is just one dimension.

Personally I am no Ethereum fanboy but I think it is a very interesting project.

OP: I would have been interested in learning about AT but the OP does not say what it is or link to any information.

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Quote from: oblivi on January 28, 2015, 01:31:41 PM

I still don't see why I should invest in anything that isn't MAIDSafe, it's the original project (started in 2006) and has lots of interesting stuff already shown. How are the other MAID alternatives any better?

That project was not about "smart contracts" but about P2P storage and it is not designed to be incorporated into existing blockchains (so apples and pears).

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