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So lemme just explain why atobmixer doesn't wanna change that functionality, firstly he is not really into public mixing, they are more into private mixing for their private clients and also they mix their own coins using the system as they have lots of Bitcoin from sources. They didn't trust any mixer around and came up with their own mixer...

Now the problem is they can't prove source of income to declare tax and use the money, if they implement bitaddesss verification, they must send the coins to the Address even its wrong addresses, but now, like this scenario if an invalid address is inserted, they need not send the coins and that becomes profit and they declare tax and can use the money. They need this function to clean their money and only reason they are in public mixing is to declare that users made a mistake by inserting wrong Addess, mixing can't be done and that's now become profit,

They however have to abide by the law and can't scam because they need this services running to clean all their money.. And their private clients money...

If public uses this services, they will get good cleaned coins because atobmixer needs to show their site works not to get public trust, but to get the government trust that the are running a legit business and pay the tax..

They are not interested in 1-3% mixing fee. They are more interested in their own agenda... That's why the OP can effort to talk shyte and still get away because he is a genius that doesn't actually needs your trust or even use his services. He is above it all. Use if you wanna use or talk shyte is not his problem..

But now I feel the OP is pissed and aims to wipe out Chipmixer of the charts because maybe he was bored and needed someone to step on his toes and now seems like he is on a mission, a guy with lots of money and bored is not someone we should mess around with. He is capable of anything we can only dream of.

It was never the OP's intention to scam. If a right address is inserted, you will get your mixed coins... Its users responsibility to put the right address, and its negligible amount of people actually puts wrong addresses.

This is my opinion from what OP has said before...

After such a hot weather day yesterday, today seems cooler,
Our mixer is running great , with zero disputes....
amazing day , amazing day .....


ATOBMIXER ADMIN 

Do you see the professionalism portaited by eddie13 ? and what of unprofessioanal remarks made by marlboroza by accusations of something that has not happen ? All i know is Chipmixer agents has caused huge trust impact on our well running services with many accusations and many many "What If's statements" although we have zero scam accusations to date. We are gonna follow suit.

You want us to prove we are not running a scam mixer, we will do right after Chipmixer proves they are not operated by FBI

Let me explain some things to you..

As far as I know not a single one of these users have anything to do with ChipMixer other than being paid to advertise for them with their add on every one of their posts..
They are not in any way agents of the company ChipMixer, or out to hurt the competition of ChipMixer..  
I have tried doing the same thing, advertising for CM like them, but they have not accepted me, because reasons..

The CM advertising campaign is the best of the best and highest paid on the forum, and they have limited positions, so only the best of the best users get accepted by them..
Therefore, when you see someone wearing a CM advertising signature, you can reasonably deduce from that that they are some of the best and most powerful users on this forum.. If you want to have a good time here you do not want to get on their bad side, which you are doing..

You should darn well know how many scams their are in the crypto space so how can you blame them for scrutinizing and finding flaws in your service?
You come with this out of the middle of nowhere, ofcourse it looks like it could possibly be a scam to most of us.. Ok, yeah, maybe they aren't so nice about it all the time..

Fighting with them is not a good plan.. It is a losing strategy if you want to be here on this forum.. ChipMixer actually has absolutely nothing to do with this so attacking ChipMixer is also a poor strategy..


A good strategy would be to work on fixing these flaws that have been identified with your mixer, and trying to salvage what you can of your relationship with these users..

The first thing you should do is remove the negative feedback you left on their profiles, because now you know they aren't "ChipMixer" or CM agents/employees at all..
Maybe apologize a little bit for being a noob here and not knowing how things work around here, and coming in with a bit too big of a head..
Then, maybe, you can eventually get them to remove their negative they put onto your profile, which would be very good for you if you want your service to have any success here..

Your sent negatives are basically meaningless no matter what words they contain, on the other hand their negatives are very powerful.. You are far outgunned in that department, and you fucked up by doing that in more ways than one.. So you should most definitely take it back or it won't matter how good your mixer is or not, you will just end up screwed because of your mistakes..
Don't use that negative button atleast untill you know what you are doing.. It's kinda a big deal..

Is it really that difficult to implement basic address validation? Instead of simply putting all the onus on the user to ensure everything is 100% correct, shouldn't (wouldn't?) a "professional" want to try to mitigate the risks and make things as easy and "safe" as possible for the end user?

Almost all decent services (mixers, exchanges, gambling sites etc) have some sort of basic address validation to prevent users from entering an "invalid" address. Note that this is a completely different scenario to a "wrong" address, which could be caused by copy/paste virus or the user copying from the wrong wallet etc. You can't easily protect against that. You can however easily stop a user entering "thisISMyBitcoinAddress" in a bitcoin address field!

However, I can type whatever I want in the box, "gfhfghjgffghgfhfghdh" and then when I try to mix I see:
https://i.imgur.com/kd9Jftd.png

So, it would seem that a user can't even double check that the address has been entered correctly before sending money. Is there a way that the user can do a last minute double check what address(es) the coins will be sent to before sending money? Or is it only after sending that they get a letter of guarantee etc?


Also, I'm not sure I would personally trust a business owner who conducts their business while high:

I don't have anything against recreational drug use, but it doesn't give me confidence that the business is being run in a professional manner. Much like Elon Musk smoking up. It's bad "optics". Best of luck with your mixing service, and I hope you consider some of the very good recommendations that have already been made. I like Eddie's idea of a signed receipt. Using a signed message from a publicly staked address that states the addresses entered would be good.

Eddie13 more or less repeated what I asked you...

It might look like that, but if someone posted some concerns from newbie account, they would be accused of spreading FUD from newbie account and "they are scared to post from their real account so their voice doesn't count", or accounts with signature are usually accused of spamming for cents, or accounts without signature are usually accused of just spreading FUD.

Non of that really addresses anything, final line, "who" is pretty much irrelevant.

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Are you really pulling this card?

Yes you are right, will work on the receipt for scam accusations, what you say sounds wayyyyy more professional and very constructive suggestion, the way you said it makes alot of different compared to the chipmixer agents, they were all about accusation, negative marketing, and defaming i would never want my badge on any of them ever , it will be a disgrace to my website's good name

Eitherway, FYI the game is still on, I give it 3 months, you defame me , i defame you, being a mirror , i behave like how you behave

This is a valid concern..

If you (mixer guy) want to consider invalid addresses as donations you should clearly state that on the page and provide a way for customers to prove what addresses they entered with an unforgeable receipt or something before the mixing process is started, to protect you both in case of any scam accusations...

I think you need to state something similar even if you don't have the balls to keep the wine and prostitutes part..
Or implement address verification like other users here are recommending..

Imagine never being on Bitcointalk before, googling "bitcoin mixer", and ending up reading this thread..
All the chipmixer signatures do look like shit if someone didn't know better..

Not to say concerns aren't valid, but wearing signatures does have its downsides..

OK so we are done with your assumptions , so we can move on now

was a pleasure

LOL. Sounds like a teenager that decided to « open an easy business » and now went full mental breakdown. I started posting as a worry community member - just like I did with other mixers, which sometimes even lead to me chearing for them - but now it’s pretty clear that OP should NOT own any website at all. This whole behavior makes me doubt if he even does anything with the coins - like he says - or just sends coins from an address to the other (probably the last one). Actions and behavior speaks higher than words (empty ones).

There is no point of return anymore, OP. I don’t think you will be getting many customers after all of this (you will probably say otherwise, tho. lol).

Just one last thing, if that matters. People are here for years and they act the same for everyone. You can scream all you want that this is a ChipMixer raid, but anyone with a half brain can see that the concerns are 100% valid.

LOL LOL you seriously cracked me up, LOL you made my day, i wish i could actually do that, that would be fun

Lol, that is the disclaimer you should put on the site!

Dear Chipmixer agent,

That doesnt happen, if they put the right address , they will get their funds mixed using secured MP2C mixing system. No dispute needed

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

Dear moron,

what happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Dear Cheapmixer agent,

That doesnt happen if they input the right address, the coins are mixed and sent to them , no dispute needed.

again you are talking on something that never happened before

is your next question gonna be "what if a asteroid hits world and everyone dies, will you still send the mixed coins to the customers?"

If users input right address then its right and the mixing happens, coins are mixed in a secured manner using MP2C system,

However if they enter a wrong address then its donation towards our system and we pay tax and buy a bottles of wine and enjoy with the Russian girls with the money.

So please ensure the address is entered correctly or we are buying wine with the money received as donation towards our system.

Atobmixer ADMIN

Where?

Lets try different approach.

What happens if you take someone's funds because they maybe used "wrong" address, and your customer say they didn't?

Is it your word against theirs then?

WOW guys thank you so much
we are having a spike in our mixer thanks to you guys bumping the post
keep the argument going , go go go my lil soldiers
This is working out better for me

ATOBMIXER ADMIN

We file tax return report with "Online services"

Told you we operate from a region where the laws are open and as long as we pay tax, no questions asked, we need not provide logs, and our passport colour is dark brown , not blue not red sometimes green

laundry means mixing , not synonyms for money laundering

I'll highlight important parts.

This is first time I have seen thumbler sharing their origin. Never mind, this part is interesting:


More sockpuppeting...so blackmail and defamation threats.

I don't know, Choong, you said:

Haizzzzz, i hate doing this kinddda stuff but left us with no choice, they stepped on the wrong shoe i guess. allegations over allegations...
what goes around comes around i guess. I will have to mirror their style just on a bigger global scale