Topic: ATTENTION! BOUNTY CAMPAIGN MODUS OPERANDI SPOTTED! (Read 874 times)

@OP the bitpenta signature in the end went very good, I've got the payment this night also i've reported all abusers here, the manager read my post fixed the spreasheet and banned them all, none got anything

A lot of people are already doing this and I would like to add here that everyone might not be suitable for this job. Some people are good at spotting suspicious postings or duplicate entries and they will be able to report more cases correctly  in less time. You can help forum in other ways also like by reporting copied content or other abuses.

Hmm, you've just made a very eloquent and persuasive argument to ban bounty campaigns completely. You convinced me, anyway.

This is Bitcointalk, so I don't expect theymos to ever make a separate field for it.

I like running campaigns with zero tolerance and very strict rules. But that just means no business for me, the market demands something else.
1. Now imagine I run a self-moderated bounty thread and delete all posts with Facebook/Twitter links, ICO bumpers, and questions that can be answered by reading the thread. That means the thread quickly disappears to page 25 or further on the Bounty board.
2. Now imagine I want to limit cheaters, so I won't allow anyone under Jr. Member rank. That means the business I'm promoting misses out on many spammers who use many accounts, and gets less publicity. All "bounty hunters" seem to have the same group of people as "friends" and followers, it looks like a big circle. But apparently this works, and they sell their tokens.
3. Now imagine I limit even more spammers by only allowing Bitcointalk accounts that have earned at least x merits, and checking if their merited posts were really worth it, or bust them for merit trading. This would lead to even less people joining the campaign.
4. Now imagine I download the Eth-address from the Location tag on the Bitcointalk profile, and require a signed message from a Bitcoin address in the profile to proof ownership. Nobody can cheat with the wrong profile, and if someone commits plagiarism, I can leave them red trust.

At the end of the campaign, I'll have received hundreds of PMs from people complaining, tagged hundreds of accounts with red trust, spend an awful amount of time doing this, and the few people who play by the rules won't be enough to make the campaign a success.
This can only work if all campaigns actively fight spam, otherwise the spam free campaigns will be expensive to manage and inefficient for token sales. The sad truth is: spam works!

I've seen "Proof of Authentication" posts, and in my opinion it's just spam! This is crypto, you can proof ownership with a signature. I can easily proof this account belongs to me, by signing a message from the address in my profile saying "this is LoyceV and send tokens to address X". There's no need to post that anywhere. "Proof of Authentication" is just used to bump the thread. And with 500 threads competing for the same first page, it's no wonder half the posts on the forum are in bounty threads by now!

That would only change if bounty managers get banned if they allow spam.

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Update: I just realized this is much worse than I thought. In just one campaign I found 1044 Bitcointalk accounts that entered anywhere from 2 to 5 times.

I already put every information that can be authentic evidence (inc. Location to put my ERC20 Address)
Seriously, we need a manager who do everything precisely. I mean, it's okay you can put extra security with Proof of Authentication. But, as Lauda said it will useless when A Massive Spam (usually, Useless Link Report) mess up the Thread.
So, i think both Participant and BM synchronize each other. Participant put their information accurately and BM check it thoroughly so no more CHEATER steal our credentials again.
Sadly, few BM care about it.

If that solution works please share it with us most especially to managers for us to be able to fight these cheaters.

I've also reported at @tokensuite the cheaters on "my bounty signature" but so far they got stakes. I hope they will read my report https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34143902
Spreadsheet here-> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a-cO_-ys_dNvUU-NqlGtrPPEXSM8Uv9gdOvakiQ5PWE/edit#gid=2033104931.

Don't even look at telegram bounty, infinite numbers of scammers.


(I maybe have the perfect solution to avoid fake users but I need more information before posting a nonsense thing, let me study more)

I like the idea of being able to place other addresses, like my ETH address in my Bitcointalk profile as well.

I have been having issues with scammers/cheaters in my current signature campaign. I had sent a PM to the bounty manager on both BCT and Telegram before they had even accepted the fake one and still no response.

As you can see on the google doc spreadsheet that I'm number #36 and the fake one is #95. I got no doubt if you went through the spreadsheet there would be more.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wpnyQ7icB_q53bQc4iregEfp4MgXDkqd0IcIkjccxXY/edit#gid=352254603

I'm more concerned that it could have negativity on my account. I might do bounty campaigns but I use this forum for researching, investing information and keeping up to date about crypto.

The more I think about this, the more I think this is a good and easy solution. I'd be okay to scrape addresses from "Location" in the profile.
That would also mean that anyone who fails to submit a proper Bitcointalk URL will be rejected. Some people enter it in the wrong field, enter just their Bitcointalk name, or enter "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile" as profile link. The same goes for anyone who enters without address in their profile.

Thanks for sharing this information Sir. Looks like we're now dealing with this another problem of the Forum.
Just a clarification, how actually can they get paid using your profile? For example, they join a signature campaign using your profile and username but the address is the idiot's (impostor's) address, but you are wearing a different Signature. Is the Campaign Manager will still pay them? It is not isn't? Because in order to get paid you must wear the Signature of the campaign where this idiot (impostor) joined. Am I right? I've heard about the same kind of Modus but all they used is other members's gmail when filling up an airdrop application.

I'm pretty sure that this is not the only case if we will try to check all of the bounties's spreadsheets. Looks like they are now using a new Modus. Haaayst when will these idiots will learn to stop making frauds.

You can use the "Find and replace" function of the spreadsheet for Android phone to search a particular Name, address, etc.

It is much better than reading all the cells of the spreadsheet one by one

How about placing the address on our profile. Just like BTC, there's a place for btc address. Placing other addresses in some parts of the profile like in location might do the trick. Linking our btct accounts to a 3rd party platform is quite risky if got compromised.

That requires unnecessary spam (the same way that bounties where applications go through the thread and not external forms or services do). However, I might have to do something like that as a temporary workaround as well. The best solution are platforms that require registering and which have a method of validating the BTCT account in question.

Hi, Sylon's "Proof of authentication post" is one way to eliminate those cheaters. As it is required to paste the link POA to the registration form. This will prevent someone else' or inactive account's profile from being used.

What are you talking about and since when is your signature "~LM" (lawmaker?)? I am not interested in his little (scam) job.

That's not how any of this works.

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[1] There is nothing for me in tagging anyone..

I think we need to hunt these cheaters together during our free time and report to whom it may concern since we are in the same forum and don't have a solution to totally eliminate this kind of cheating issue as of this time.

Not by you or any other DT2 member who is also a campaign manager. you have tagged a member who is a manager, recently he was fired from a managing job because of red trust. you could have taken his job if he wasn't tagged by you.

There is nothing for you in tagging other managers, if there was something in it for you, it would be abusing of your power, tagging them and then taking their jobs. let somebody else tag him so you can have his job. have you asked his employer to see if they are fine paying those cheaters or not? if they are fine paying them, no need to tag anybody.

~LM.

This type of things is usually seen in the blog campaign, People try to use someone else btctalk profile link thinking they can join the campaign multiple times, or those people who do not have a btctalk account. I have got many reports and I reject all those entries.

For other campaigns like social media, I'm using my bountyportal, where there is no need for the btctalk profile link.

And for the signature campaign, I have not seen a single this type of complaint, and why they would do this?

For last translation campaign, I have my own list created once which has a permanent and backup translator, So no chance of scammer/ spammer there too to join with someone else account.

This is obviously a from of fraud perpetrated by those who are not responsible. They are only concerned with money without working. Not worth imitating and is strictly prohibited.

This is another plague that unscrupulous individuals are allowing to penetrate the forum. I remember that one of the reasons why google docs is being used in the bounty section is because of how the massive slowing down of the forum it caused. But I still blame the manager for not checking out whether their participants are even complying with the rules before accepting them because if someone uses another username to apply for a campaign, while he can copy his username and profile link, he sure cannot apply the signature if he does not have full control of the account. A random check would have solved all of this without the need to wait till the end of the campaign before distributing stakes.

Huh... I wonder if this is why I have twice received a PM from a sig campaign manager welcoming me to their campaign and reminding me to wear the signature. I thought this was a new form of spam, but looking into one of the campaigns further I see my username on their google spreadsheet with an ETH address that most certainly isn't mine.

But again, what is the point if I don't wear the signature? Whoever used my username with their ETH address isn't going to comply with the sig campaign rules and therefore won't get paid, right?