Topic: Avalon A10 series announced - page 6. (Read 4111 times)
Those 821's are good write-off's at least for me tax-wise this year. Other than that, yep no more pre-orders for me.
There was a 3-4 week space in time that the A841 was a decent price. Maybe Feb or march of 2018
Then bitmain just dropped prices on the s9 and s9i and s9j selling unit after unit of gear.
Then bitmain just dropped prices on the s9 and s9i and s9j selling unit after unit of gear.
I'll never do a preorder in general or buy the *21/first set of a new gen from Canaan again.
Same. I paid almost $3k for an 821 pre-order. Blokforge at least gave out some coupons when the 841 came out cheaper. I had all first batches of 8 series and none of them were even close to ROI and that's before even subtracting electric costs. Only benefit was a tax deduction.
When I check the Blokforge link, it shows 1199$ USD.
They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.
They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.
I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.
They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.
They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.
I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.
I got screwed over pretty badly by the last order of 741's getting canceled by Canaan and then having my order changed to an 821. I agreed to that change, thinking I was getting the best of the next generation of miners, only to have the 841 come over very shortly thereafter at a much, much better price. I'll never do a preorder in general or buy the *21/first set of a new gen from Canaan again.
I did the above ordering through minerwarez (glad to see them have virtually nothing for sale after the treatment from them) and was promised by them we would be receiving a "special gift" as a thank you for putting up with the delays and getting screwed by the immediately dropped price for those who did not preorder. Never received anything and my inquiries were ignored. To be clear, I blame the distributor for this entirely.
well that changed from 1550 TBD 2 days ago. or maybe my 1550 is still up let me check
usa price is 1550
too bad freaking trump is killing sales in the USA.
usa price is 1550
too bad freaking trump is killing sales in the USA.
When I check the Blokforge link, it shows 1199$ USD.
They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.
They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.
I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.
They do still state pricing and shipping is TBA. I'm not sure if that's because the site picks up that I'm in Canada, as I know it displays to cover tarrifs or lack thereof depending.
They may have a price point in mind but I think to move these quickly they will need to come in low. There are just to many unknowns for them with the Bitmain, and MicroBT releases that are coming.
I am interested to see if this goes the route of say a 1021 then a 1041 following a few months later.
So lets say they down clock to 26th at 50 watts that is better then the s15
Will be interesting to see if you can get those numbers downclocking. I ran my S15 in low power mode for a few days when I first got it in December and it was around 18TH/s @ 50W/TH. Even if you can get those numbers with A10, efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and Bitmain already beat them to market 4 months ago. It's good if you have older gear and can't get an S15 or S17, but looks like it may already be old gear by the time you can get one. I'm considering selling my S15 before the prices of those plummet. They need to price it better than S15 for it to be worth it.
Well it will be 60 unit MOQ to import, still waiting on pricing.
I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.
Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.
I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.
Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.
Those prices are simply too high. They won't sell in the USA at 1500.
I did see blokforge mention 1550 but as TBD
Well it will be 60 unit MOQ to import, still waiting on pricing.
I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.
Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.
I'm thinking 900-1k/unit pricing so about 1.3k to import per unit to the US. So $1500 from a reseller in the US isn't absurd at all. Not ideal considering new gear on the horizon coming but no the worst either.
Pending Canaan's ideal margin I would personally like to see somewhere around 700/unit as even with MOQ tariffs would price this out about $1k referencing our pricing matrix.
I just don't see many of these selling when efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and the S15 is obsolete in a week, assuming Bitmain's release date is not just a pre-sale. If Bitmain ends up being a pre-sale, then they may have a small chance as an alternative to S15, however the pricing needs to be more inline with Bitmain. I just sold my 921's. I don't even want to talk about ROI on 821/841. These units were worthless in less than a year unless you have free power and 921 was really not much more efficient than two 8 series with efficiency firmware.
The new gear only has value to those with cheap power running s9s.
They are stated to do 56 watts a th and 50 watts minimum.
So lets say they down clock to 26th at 50 watts that is better then the s15
and if you need to wait till july to get an s17 these are a decent replacement for s9's.
I have 20 s9's on cheap power I plan to replace them with something better.
I just don't see many of these selling when efficiency is pretty much the same as S15 and the S15 is obsolete in a week, assuming Bitmain's release date is not just a pre-sale. If Bitmain ends up being a pre-sale, then they may have a small chance as an alternative to S15, however the pricing needs to be more inline with Bitmain. I just sold my 921's. I don't even want to talk about ROI on 821/841. These units were worthless in less than a year unless you have free power and 921 was really not much more efficient than two 8 series with efficiency firmware.
Faboo! It will be very interesting to see how the A10's do as I'd love to pick up a couple to replace the 2 remaining power-hungry 921's I still have running.
Not yet, at least. But sarcheer's M10's PSU did try to put on an early Fourth of July fireworks display.
I find these PSUs' general lack of safety certifications disturbing.
I find these PSUs' general lack of safety certifications disturbing.
Legit point.
I actually could come up with another. Both the S17 pro and the M20 v1 should pull 3000-3400 watts
most of my 30/24 amp pdus are fused at 15 amps a plug which is 3600 borderline number for a piece of gear pulling 3400 watts.
Edit
I Got a hold of steve of canaan. I will be getting one of these.
No info other then soon.
But steve is pretty much as good as gold. I will post back when he fills me in.
Yea at $1500 the m10 was a fricken better buy for half that LOL. The hell are they thinking??
Canaan should revise their price structure to remain competitive, they have been pricier even back with 7xx models. One would think skipping controllers on each unit would net them some price advantage but no. Its nice to have costumer satisfaction and quality parts, but the market inevitable goes towards the lowest price per hash.
And i wanted to see those mining TVs and wifi routers too...
Yea at $1500 the m10 was a fricken better buy for half that LOL. The hell are they thinking??
... all fancy dancy built ins and no boom.
Not yet, at least. But sarcheer's M10's PSU did try to put on an early Fourth of July fireworks display.
I find these PSUs' general lack of safety certifications disturbing.
so far
8 m10 psus
1 s15 psu
1 t15 psu
1 inno t2turbo
all fancy dancy built ins and no boom.
8 m10 psus
1 s15 psu
1 t15 psu
1 inno t2turbo
all fancy dancy built ins and no boom.
I wish they didn't go with integrated PSUs. I don't trust anything other than server PSUs to deliver that amount of power without being electrical and fire hazards.
I dont know about the new Avalons but many of the new units including Bitmains use 20v internal rails, 12v PSUs just wouldnt power the miner properly. Its not that they are trying to force us into their PSUs, they are just a requirement for the unit to function.
It is important for miners to know watts per th on this gear so
I contacted Steve of canaan for a demo to review.
My goal is to show:
S17
M20
A1021
in youtube videos as soon as I can get the gear. It will help miners pick what is best.
Ugh on this:
https://blokforge.com/product/canaan-avalon-a10-31th-s-bitcoin-miner/
1550 usd a miner not going to work at this price Does Say TBD
I contacted Steve of canaan for a demo to review.
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Re: New A10
Friday, March 29, 2019 12:22 PM
From:
"PHILIP A......"
To:
"PHILIP A......" "Steven M....."
Cc:
"PHILIP A......"
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Hi Steve,
I read about Canaan getting an A1021
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50361384
https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/1111513725733724160
If you have a demo available I would love to do a youtube on it.
Best regards,
Philip Arcario
philipma1957 of bitcointalk.org
Friday, March 29, 2019 12:22 PM
From:
"PHILIP A......"
To:
"PHILIP A......"
Cc:
"PHILIP A......"
--------------------------------------------
Hi Steve,
I read about Canaan getting an A1021
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50361384
https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/1111513725733724160
If you have a demo available I would love to do a youtube on it.
Best regards,
Philip Arcario
philipma1957 of bitcointalk.org
My goal is to show:
S17
M20
A1021
in youtube videos as soon as I can get the gear. It will help miners pick what is best.
Ugh on this:
https://blokforge.com/product/canaan-avalon-a10-31th-s-bitcoin-miner/
1550 usd a miner not going to work at this price Does Say TBD
Don't you think they added the (minimum 50W/T) inside their ad for a reason? Perhaps they already tested it and could not get any better efficiency from them? 50W/T is pretty good in my opinion. Bitmain's S17 is probably 45ish but they claim 35... Only a third party review can tell.
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