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legendary
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September 10, 2017, 06:58:31 PM

You will need some of these:
http://www.parallelminer.com/product/rev2-ultimate-2400watt-power-supply-kit-for-gpu-mining-94-platinum-efficiency-200v240v-w-32pcie-plugs/

As for networking you can build a few Rasberry Pi, they have a how to a few pages back by Philip. Canaan site state 20 miners per controller but I would do 8 per controller, it would be 2 daisy chains per usb port. Network is fairly simple doesn't require much to setup. Good luck on getting the 60 Avalon' s it's been quiet from Canaan lately.

Can the power supply unit from Canaan be used in the US and similar regions?
or is it for Asia and/or UK?

Thanks

well you can buy a perfectly good one from sidehack  far cheaper  well under 100 dollars.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sidehack-130792

no one has used one from them
no one knows its quality
it costs more
it is expensive to ship it

sidehacke is usa based in Missouri
newbie
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September 10, 2017, 05:27:09 PM

You will need some of these:
http://www.parallelminer.com/product/rev2-ultimate-2400watt-power-supply-kit-for-gpu-mining-94-platinum-efficiency-200v240v-w-32pcie-plugs/

As for networking you can build a few Rasberry Pi, they have a how to a few pages back by Philip. Canaan site state 20 miners per controller but I would do 8 per controller, it would be 2 daisy chains per usb port. Network is fairly simple doesn't require much to setup. Good luck on getting the 60 Avalon' s it's been quiet from Canaan lately.

Can the power supply unit from Canaan be used in the US and similar regions?
or is it for Asia and/or UK?

Thanks
legendary
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Evil beware: We have waffles!
September 10, 2017, 03:59:28 PM

If I minimized the volume of the enclosure, then I assume the miners themselves could move enough air to adequately vent into the attic (will probably be less than 10ft).

I'd rather not have to add additional fans as each additional fan is just more kWh cutting into the profit. Will do whatever I need to, though.
As long as the air path is several sq ft wide and short might be ok but as a general rule (for compressors or chillers) when ducting hot exhaust all mfgrs require booster fans equal to the machines own fans. Though that is commonly several 10's of feet same probably applies here.
member
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September 10, 2017, 03:25:47 PM
Hello all,

Im brand new to the forum and joined to ask for some opinions and feedback. We just placed an order for 60 Avalon 741's (if it's ever processed by Steve Tongue), and are planning to build a small farm with them. (we also ordered a couple L3+'s, four S9's and two D3's so far, but thats another story).

We hope to run ~55 Avalon 741's at any given time with plans for another bulk order, hoping for about 40BTC/year for a couple years while we can (insert sarcastic 'HA' here)

We have a steel prefab warehouse available, approx 750 sq-ft. We're installing a dry fire suppression system, 24hr security cams, there are guards on the compound, 30,000 btu HVAC with filters and exhaust fans.

I was told the warehouse is connected to 300w 3 phase power and is wired for 220v (IIRC)

Electricity is dirt cheap in my country (like 0.001 USD), and my business partner owns a fire/safety/electrical industrial (Oil/Gas) service company, so we have a certified electrician and network/IT admin assisting with the setup/networking.

I wanted to get some feedback/pointers/tips on:

Power Requirements
Network Requirements

Is there any special network hardware that may be needed to run 50+ miners? (or is it as simple as a simple LAN network, three 24 port switches and an internet connection??)

help an old guy out Smiley
Much appreciated.


Let us know if you'll get your order from cannan. Im courious if they process pallete order stright away or if its the same as rest of us.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
September 10, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
Hello,
Is avalon 741 ok to run fan on high speed (5400-5600rpm) ?
i put ducting on mine to turn it into under-house heating about a week ago and so far no problems,but its running at 30C and fan 5400-5600rpm

thanks

did you use   a reducer  to shrink  the 6 inch fan to a 4 inch duct?

something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-s1-s3-s4-s5-s7-L3-Zeus-Lightning-Thunder-fan-air-duct-shroud-cooling-/152664040852?


if so  you will kill the fan way way way faster

you need to buy this  stick the fan end into it and a little of the metal  box seal it by wrapping the duct with a bit of duct tape

http://www.homedepot.com/p/10-in-x-25-ft-Insulated-Flexible-Duct-R6-Silver-Jacket-F6IFD10X300/100142376?


i used 5 inch flex ducting attached to fan (fan has 5inch diameter).
but already ordered 10 inch to replace it.
what speed is yours fan running?



then inject into your heating 

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/e4/e4d28c45-41b7-4b99-af65-3b1eab5bdd7a_1000.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/p/8-in-Round-Tee-T8X8X8/100128619


4260 in a 85 f room.

also set the minimum fan to 25%  not 10%



 the 10 inch flex duct will also reduce noise

as you have found out  even keep the opening the same size causes friction in the longer tunnel /duct  and fan works harder.

the longer the exit tunnel is  it needs to  be larger to allow air to leave

.
member
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September 10, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
sorry that quote button didnt work.
 I used 5 inch ducting attached to fan (fan itself has 5inch diameter)
but i ordered 10 inch ducting to replace it asap.
what speed is yours fan running?

member
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September 10, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
Hello,
Is avalon 741 ok to run fan on high speed (5400-5600rpm) ?
i put ducting on mine to turn it into under-house heating about a week ago and so far no problems,but its running at 30C and fan 5400-5600rpm

thanks

did you use   a reducer  to shrink  the 6 inch fan to a 4 inch duct?

something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-s1-s3-s4-s5-s7-L3-Zeus-Lightning-Thunder-fan-air-duct-shroud-cooling-/152664040852?


if so  you will kill the fan way way way faster

you need to buy this  stick the fan end into it and a little of the metal  box seal it by wrapping the duct with a bit of duct tape

http://www.homedepot.com/p/10-in-x-25-ft-Insulated-Flexible-Duct-R6-Silver-Jacket-F6IFD10X300/100142376?


i used 5 inch flex ducting attached to fan (fan has 5inch diameter).
but already ordered 10 inch to replace it.
what speed is yours fan running?



then inject into your heating 

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/e4/e4d28c45-41b7-4b99-af65-3b1eab5bdd7a_1000.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/p/8-in-Round-Tee-T8X8X8/100128619

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September 10, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
Phil your 2 racks are  fully wrapped with  the car insulation that is a heat and sound  barrier.

Anyone  can do that  even with bigger racks.  You have two three foot wide three foot high racks.

So you are six foot wide  three feet high   that is  6+6+3+3 = 18 ft of the  car insulation.

The photos look like you are almost on top of the two exhaust fans.

So a bigger operation  with 24,000 cfm fans would be hard to get the wind tunnel you get.

You have a point  and the barn /loft  gear is in is a big space.    say 60 by 24 or 1400 sf ft.

But we don't  inject any ac .  he can inject ac into the space.

So it means  his gear would get cooler air then my gear gets.

We triple heat shielded the racks.

The silver  tarp reflected heat and shed water if the rook leaks
The silver bubble warp reflected heat
The car insulation directed hot air to the fans which are 18 inches from the racks

This setup  really reduces heat in the loft.  If you sit by the gear you feel the suction of the two fans  and the temps are 8 f cooler then if you move to the left of the gear.
I was really proud that about  200 usd  in material reduced the  heat  so much.  and protected against a roof leak



Is there a benefit to fully enclosing the miners? Speaking more to a very small operation like mine (< 5 miners).

I'm kicking around ideas, but I am currently planning on building some type of enclosure that will funnel the hot air up from the miner enclosure in the garage into the attic. During the summer months, the heat in the attic greatly exceeds the heat in the garage, so even with the heat from the miners, the added circulation shouldn't increase the temp (and may even lower it due to the added circulation. And in the winter, it should represent a marginal reduction in the cost for heating the house.



I run a garage setup


I run the solar array  which is a lot like an attic



the solar array the exhaust fans are on top of the gear.  so the wrapping of the  two racks  allows for the wind tunnel effect


venting from your garage to your attic   works if you are a ranch  so  the  run would not be too long.

you may need a ceiling exhaust in the garage and a gable fan in the attic

l
<<< fan
l
i
i          fan       attic
---------^-----------------------------
            ^
            ^
          miners    garage   

If I minimized the volume of the enclosure, then I assume the miners themselves could move enough air to adequately vent into the attic (will probably be less than 10ft).

I'd rather not have to add additional fans as each additional fan is just more kWh cutting into the profit. Will do whatever I need to, though.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
September 10, 2017, 01:25:08 PM
Phil your 2 racks are  fully wrapped with  the car insulation that is a heat and sound  barrier.

Anyone  can do that  even with bigger racks.  You have two three foot wide three foot high racks.

So you are six foot wide  three feet high   that is  6+6+3+3 = 18 ft of the  car insulation.

The photos look like you are almost on top of the two exhaust fans.

So a bigger operation  with 24,000 cfm fans would be hard to get the wind tunnel you get.

You have a point  and the barn /loft  gear is in is a big space.    say 60 by 24 or 1400 sf ft.

But we don't  inject any ac .  he can inject ac into the space.

So it means  his gear would get cooler air then my gear gets.

We triple heat shielded the racks.

The silver  tarp reflected heat and shed water if the rook leaks
The silver bubble warp reflected heat
The car insulation directed hot air to the fans which are 18 inches from the racks

This setup  really reduces heat in the loft.  If you sit by the gear you feel the suction of the two fans  and the temps are 8 f cooler then if you move to the left of the gear.
I was really proud that about  200 usd  in material reduced the  heat  so much.  and protected against a roof leak



Is there a benefit to fully enclosing the miners? Speaking more to a very small operation like mine (< 5 miners).

I'm kicking around ideas, but I am currently planning on building some type of enclosure that will funnel the hot air up from the miner enclosure in the garage into the attic. During the summer months, the heat in the attic greatly exceeds the heat in the garage, so even with the heat from the miners, the added circulation shouldn't increase the temp (and may even lower it due to the added circulation. And in the winter, it should represent a marginal reduction in the cost for heating the house.



I run a garage setup


I run the solar array  which is a lot like an attic



the solar array the exhaust fans are on top of the gear.  so the wrapping of the  two racks  allows for the wind tunnel effect


venting from your garage to your attic   works if you are a ranch  so  the  run would not be too long.

you may need a ceiling exhaust in the garage and a gable fan in the attic

l
<<< fan
l
i
i          fan       attic
---------^-----------------------------
            ^
            ^
          miners    garage   
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September 10, 2017, 01:11:14 PM
Phil your 2 racks are  fully wrapped with  the car insulation that is a heat and sound  barrier.

Anyone  can do that  even with bigger racks.  You have two three foot wide three foot high racks.

So you are six foot wide  three feet high   that is  6+6+3+3 = 18 ft of the  car insulation.

The photos look like you are almost on top of the two exhaust fans.

So a bigger operation  with 24,000 cfm fans would be hard to get the wind tunnel you get.

You have a point  and the barn /loft  gear is in is a big space.    say 60 by 24 or 1400 sf ft.

But we don't  inject any ac .  he can inject ac into the space.

So it means  his gear would get cooler air then my gear gets.

We triple heat shielded the racks.

The silver  tarp reflected heat and shed water if the rook leaks
The silver bubble warp reflected heat
The car insulation directed hot air to the fans which are 18 inches from the racks

This setup  really reduces heat in the loft.  If you sit by the gear you feel the suction of the two fans  and the temps are 8 f cooler then if you move to the left of the gear.
I was really proud that about  200 usd  in material reduced the  heat  so much.  and protected against a roof leak



Is there a benefit to fully enclosing the miners? Speaking more to a very small operation like mine (< 5 miners).

I'm kicking around ideas, but I am currently planning on building some type of enclosure that will funnel the hot air up from the miner enclosure in the garage into the attic. During the summer months, the heat in the attic greatly exceeds the heat in the garage, so even with the heat from the miners, the added circulation shouldn't increase the temp (and may even lower it due to the added circulation. And in the winter, it should represent a marginal reduction in the cost for heating the house.

legendary
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Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
September 10, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
Hello,
Is avalon 741 ok to run fan on high speed (5400-5600rpm) ?
i put ducting on mine to turn it into under-house heating about a week ago and so far no problems,but its running at 30C and fan 5400-5600rpm

thanks

did you use   a reducer  to shrink  the 6 inch fan to a 4 inch duct?

something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-s1-s3-s4-s5-s7-L3-Zeus-Lightning-Thunder-fan-air-duct-shroud-cooling-/152664040852?


if so  you will kill the fan way way way faster

you need to buy this  stick the fan end into it and a little of the metal  box seal it by wrapping the duct with a bit of duct tape

http://www.homedepot.com/p/10-in-x-25-ft-Insulated-Flexible-Duct-R6-Silver-Jacket-F6IFD10X300/100142376?



then inject into your heating 

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/e4/e4d28c45-41b7-4b99-af65-3b1eab5bdd7a_1000.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/p/8-in-Round-Tee-T8X8X8/100128619
member
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September 10, 2017, 09:52:52 AM
Hello,
Is avalon 741 ok to run fan on high speed (5400-5600rpm) ?
i put ducting on mine to turn it into under-house heating about a week ago and so far no problems,but its running at 30C and fan 5400-5600rpm

thanks
legendary
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Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
September 10, 2017, 08:43:24 AM
Phil your 2 racks are  fully wrapped with  the car insulation that is a heat and sound  barrier.

Anyone  can do that  even with bigger racks.  You have two three foot wide three foot high racks.

So you are six foot wide  three feet high   that is  6+6+3+3 = 18 ft of the  car insulation.

The photos look like you are almost on top of the two exhaust fans.

So a bigger operation  with 24,000 cfm fans would be hard to get the wind tunnel you get.

You have a point  and the barn /loft  gear is in is a big space.    say 60 by 24 or 1400 sf ft.

But we don't  inject any ac .  he can inject ac into the space.

So it means  his gear would get cooler air then my gear gets.

We triple heat shielded the racks.

The silver  tarp reflected heat and shed water if the rook leaks
The silver bubble warp reflected heat
The car insulation directed hot air to the fans which are 18 inches from the racks

This setup  really reduces heat in the loft.  If you sit by the gear you feel the suction of the two fans  and the temps are 8 f cooler then if you move to the left of the gear.
I was really proud that about  200 usd  in material reduced the  heat  so much.  and protected against a roof leak
sr. member
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September 10, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
 Phil your 2 racks are  fully wrapped with  the car insulation that is a heat and sound  barrier.

Anyone  can do that  even with bigger racks.  You have two three foot wide three foot high racks.

So you are six foot wide  three feet high   that is  6+6+3+3 = 18 ft of the  car insulation.

The photos look like you are almost on top of the two exhaust fans.

So a bigger operation  with 24,000 cfm fans would be hard to get the wind tunnel you get.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
September 10, 2017, 08:25:10 AM
400amp 220 volts sounds better

5 amps a unit  

derate 20%

320 amps  divide by 5 =  64 max


so running 55 is possible  


now  1100 watts = 4000 btu

55 x 4000 btu =  220,000 btu

you need lots of exhaust fans    

as for network  a 5 port   lan  router  one from the modem  then connect to 2 x   16 port switches

do  5 miners to a rasp pi3    put   6 rasp pi's on each switch  if the gear dies you can move all the rasp pi's to one switch.



Thanks @philipma1957!!, thats the kind of info I was looking for. Cheers
We have two 24" 24,000 CFM fans we were thinking of using somehow. I am seeing from your calculations, thats no where near enough to keep the pressure ratio correct.

Any suggestions??


@bdog1234 "Hope you are to too old - you might not live long enough to see them. "
 Grin Grin Grin Grin

I hope you hear back from them also. We are exploring GPU mining, but the cards are over priced locally, so we need to find bulk suppliers.

I just got an email from Canaan a few minutes ago as we requested their company registration info before wiring any money. Have you reached out to them? (sorry if a silly question), we have been very persistent with them, but always very pleasant.

Thanks @goose1072!

okay  my smaller solar array farm  has 2x 1600 cfm  

and is doing 4 avalons and 5 s-9s  about 10-11 kwatts  no ac air to inject  and with careful heat shielding it is okay.

so 3200cfm  can do 10kwatts

you have 15x the cfm I have

so I have 9 pieces

you can cool the gear off but  you need a tunnel effect



give me a few minutes to link photos.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21619449




https://i.imgur.com/Tg2MDNt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ob3GuCy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uVJ5986.jpg
newbie
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September 09, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
400amp 220 volts sounds better

5 amps a unit  

derate 20%

320 amps  divide by 5 =  64 max


so running 55 is possible  


now  1100 watts = 4000 btu

55 x 4000 btu =  220,000 btu

you need lots of exhaust fans    

as for network  a 5 port   lan  router  one from the modem  then connect to 2 x   16 port switches

do  5 miners to a rasp pi3    put   6 rasp pi's on each switch  if the gear dies you can move all the rasp pi's to one switch.



Thanks @philipma1957!!, thats the kind of info I was looking for. Cheers
We have two 24" 24,000 CFM fans we were thinking of using somehow. I am seeing from your calculations, thats no where near enough to keep the pressure ratio correct.

Any suggestions??


@bdog1234 "Hope you are to too old - you might not live long enough to see them. "
 Grin Grin Grin Grin

I hope you hear back from them also. We are exploring GPU mining, but the cards are over priced locally, so we need to find bulk suppliers.

I just got an email from Canaan a few minutes ago as we requested their company registration info before wiring any money. Have you reached out to them? (sorry if a silly question), we have been very persistent with them, but always very pleasant.

Thanks @goose1072!
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
September 09, 2017, 10:19:11 PM
Hello all,

Im brand new to the forum and joined to ask for some opinions and feedback. We just placed an order for 60 Avalon 741's (if it's ever processed by Steve Tongue), and are planning to build a small farm with them. (we also ordered a couple L3+'s, four S9's and two D3's so far, but thats another story).

We hope to run ~55 Avalon 741's at any given time with plans for another bulk order, hoping for about 40BTC/year for a couple years while we can (insert sarcastic 'HA' here)

We have a steel prefab warehouse available, approx 750 sq-ft. We're installing a dry fire suppression system, 24hr security cams, there are guards on the compound, 30,000 btu HVAC with filters and exhaust fans.

I was told the warehouse is connected to 400w 3 phase power and is wired for 220v (IIRC)

Electricity is dirt cheap in my country (like 0.001 USD), and my business partner owns a fire/safety/electrical industrial (Oil/Gas) service company, so we have a certified electrician and network/IT admin assisting with the setup/networking.

I wanted to get some feedback/pointers/tips on:

Power Requirements
Network Requirements

Is there any special network hardware that may be needed to run 50+ miners? (or is it as simple as a simple LAN network, three 24 port switches and an internet connection??)

help an old guy out Smiley
Much appreciated.

400amp 220 volts sounds better

5 amps a unit  

derate 20%

320 amps  divide by 5 =  64 max


so running 55 is possible  


now  1100 watts = 4000 btu

55 x 4000 btu =  220,000 btu

you need lots of exhaust fans    

as for network  a 5 port   lan  router  one from the modem  then connect to 2 x   16 port switches

do  5 miners to a rasp pi3    put   6 rasp pi's on each switch  if the gear dies you can move all the rasp pi's to one switch.

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September 09, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
So.......Anyone recalculated the revenue with the 25% diff increase next week?

the problem with that number  is that in ten minutes all the extra hash can shift to BCC  and the increase drops.

Last jump  diff was -28%  at block 400 of the 2016 blocks  late the hash left  BCC and cam back to btc and the  final number was 3.3%


look here

https://pool.viabtc.com/

we are at

BTC 7674p or 7.674E
BCC 1056p or 1.056E

It is no longer possible to know  what the diff will be since some times

BTC drops to 4500p and BCC jumps to 3900p

that can happen in an hour from now.

Damn it Phil, you're killing me!
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September 09, 2017, 10:14:43 PM
Hello all,

Im brand new to the forum and joined to ask for some opinions and feedback. We just placed an order for 60 Avalon 741's (if it's ever processed by Steve Tongue), and are planning to build a small farm with them. (we also ordered a couple L3+'s, four S9's and two D3's so far, but thats another story).

We hope to run ~55 Avalon 741's at any given time with plans for another bulk order, hoping for about 40BTC/year for a couple years while we can (insert sarcastic 'HA' here)

We have a steel prefab warehouse available, approx 750 sq-ft. We're installing a dry fire suppression system, 24hr security cams, there are guards on the compound, 30,000 btu HVAC with filters and exhaust fans.

I was told the warehouse is connected to 400w 3 phase power and is wired for 220v (IIRC)

Electricity is dirt cheap in my country (like 0.001 USD), and my business partner owns a fire/safety/electrical industrial (Oil/Gas) service company, so we have a certified electrician and network/IT admin assisting with the setup/networking.

I wanted to get some feedback/pointers/tips on:

Power Requirements
Network Requirements

Is there any special network hardware that may be needed to run 50+ miners? (or is it as simple as a simple LAN network, three 24 port switches and an internet connection??)

help an old guy out Smiley
Much appreciated.

You will need some of these:
http://www.parallelminer.com/product/rev2-ultimate-2400watt-power-supply-kit-for-gpu-mining-94-platinum-efficiency-200v240v-w-32pcie-plugs/

As for networking you can build a few Rasberry Pi, they have a how to a few pages back by Philip. Canaan site state 20 miners per controller but I would do 8 per controller, it would be 2 daisy chains per usb port. Network is fairly simple doesn't require much to setup. Good luck on getting the 60 Avalon' s it's been quiet from Canaan lately.
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September 09, 2017, 10:12:05 PM

help an old guy out Smiley


Hope you are to too old - you might not live long enough to see them.

Given the inability of these folks to deliver I think it is wiser to build GPU miners and convert to BTC. I have ordered the components to build eight 6 card rigs and will have it all on Monday.

I have a 741 and it works great but I can't sit around and wait forever on these jokers. Time is money especially in this market. I would be damn surprised if anyone gets anything from the Aug 31 order before mid October. I ordered 5 figures worth of miners from them but I am not holding my breath on getting them. I went ahead and bought a bunch of GPU rigs and when or if they ever get around to my order and asking for payment I may or may not go through with it.
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