Topic: [Avalon ASIC] Batch #2 pre-Sale Thread - page 53. (Read 107712 times)

@MrTeal / PuertroLibre:

I stand corrected, but my point still stands with regards to this particular threat & post. I think PuertoLibre, you are doing a good job of extracting and exposing information about BFL but seriously this thread reeks of all sorts of crazy. Atleast BFL take pre-order payments via Paypal and chargeback can be done via CC but to ask for 100% down payment with BTC in this situation is nuts  and should raise all sorts of alarms for potential customers.

Uh, in case you missed the above. BFL are still taking orders. they are already up to 17k in their order number.

So your outrage should be universal and not one sided.

+1

More value, but not more BTC.

BFL has never stopped taking orders, so while they haven't started a second round of preorders that is only because their first round has never ended.

I too usually reserve my judgement but I got to say; while I do not believe that Avalon is in any way a scam, asking for more money upfront for a second batch when nothing from the first batch has shown up is very ethically dishonest:

1.) How can you justify asking your customer base to take 100% risk on diminishing returns? Anyone who is serious about investing into BTC mining knows that there will be a significant amount of hashing power added in the next 2 -3 months. Asking them to lock away $1500.00 ($200 more than the last btw) is sheer financial madness and quite ethically dishonest. I would understand if you took 20/80 or 50/50 deposits (down payment / upon finishing production) but to make your customers take that sort of risk and not provide any sort of proof that your product even works is crazy. Then add to the fact that at least 2 other ASIC companies have gone belly up and that you are asking for more money, I can't believe that you would even consider doing something like this. Its just doesn't make any sense in business terms.


2.)  While I don't care if I see a tracking number for anyone's order; I would like to know that Jgrazik atleast has his so that he can put to rest rumours of nothing being shipped. Not providing him or other customers with a tracking number and then letting your website become a bunch of squiggly lines is more then concerning. It simply destroys consumer confidence in your ability to handle this situation in professional manner.


I understand that BFL at this current time hasn't shown anything and they pretty much have nothing of substance to show, but atleast they aren't asking for a second round of 100% deposits on units when nothing has materialized. People of Bitcointalk, please don't buy into the second round until team Avalon shows something from batch 1. Any potential customer considering batch 2 needs to be aware that you will more than likely be on the losing end of that financial transaction and the risk you are taking with your BTC is simply put, not worth it. You may likely gain more value from just holding on to $1500.00 worth of BTC in the next few months.

The same way BFL and BTCFPGA did.

How the fuck can you take orders for batch #2, when no one even has their orders from batch #1 

Exactly. They can just put up a pre-order site that will take bitcoins indefinitely.

I don't think btcchina provide such kind of liquidity for millions of RMB, in the last 30 days it only exchanged 2.9 million RMB.
http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcnCNY.html

They may have other ways of bitcoin exchange plans, or the suppliers accept bitcoins.

So that is why I can never knock down all the milk bottles with the baseball. Doh.

I guess showing a demo unit in action or some other type of proof before selling batch #2 is highly insulting to the community.
Better not do that and save face.
I am thinking a parody thread would  be funny right about now.

I don't see this batch selling well.

* It's no longer price-competitive. Batch #2 should cost less to produce.
* Customer service has been horrible for Batch #1.
* Too long until scheduled shipping.
* No refunds.

Not all of us... just the 600 people who would put the coin down.

Fixed! (liked a horny dog that used to hump everything in sight, like the time he...)  

Next you'll imply that carnival games are rigged...sheesh.

This is why I used my AMEX... they are no bullshit about taking back funds

no proof, no order. i am scam intolerant. i have a disorder which does not allow me to send money to strangers without seeing proof.

Thanks a whole lot for the visual PG.

These things once read cannot be unread ya know.

Even Jeff and BTC Foundation may receive functioning Avalon, think twice before you order the 2nd batch:


Translation:

I will pay $10,000 for the list of names, their addresses, and phone numbers of each and every person who orders Batch #2 from Avalon. This is a sincere offer. No bullshit! I'll put together a deal they can't refuse, only available to those on the list.

• Bitcoin Only: My suppliers only accept bitcoins. Sorry 'bout this one.

• No Refunds: I have to fully custom built this shit from chicken scratch.

• No Proof: QED!

I just purchased shares of Bounty, for when Josh sees this thread he'll be squirtin' his computer, and will need mega-sheets to absorb the mess made.

Madness!

I agree.  That's why I'm a little surprised they didn't stop the orders at a higher number.... hey, wait a second.

Maybe there is no upper limit.  So customers think there is a cap at 600, but in reality, because there is no product, it is limitless.