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July 07, 2014, 01:00:38 PM
#37
if you been paypal scammed then keep the money and let paypal reimburse them from paypal profits. afterall paypal have insurance, paypal make profit and paypal should have better security.. its their fault not yours.

unless your a scammer, never give back money to paypal.. let them lose out, not the honest people.

I only wish it was this easy with banks. Last year, someone sent me money by direct bank transfer, ACH payment with Chase bank. Once it cleared into my account, I released the bitcoins, then a few days later the transaction was reversed. I was under the assumption that ACH payments were cash equivalents and cannot be reversed once cleared. Shortly after, chase closed my bank account, flagged me as being involved in FRAUD so now they won't ever let me open an account with them. All in all, I lost a lot of bitcoins, money, got account closed, and labeled as fraud on their records. I have no idea what the scumbag reported to chase, but this is the worst possible outcome. Very expensive lesson for me.

Wow. That's intense!!
sr. member
Activity: 476
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July 07, 2014, 12:52:57 PM
#36
if you been paypal scammed then keep the money and let paypal reimburse them from paypal profits. afterall paypal have insurance, paypal make profit and paypal should have better security.. its their fault not yours.

unless your a scammer, never give back money to paypal.. let them lose out, not the honest people.

I only wish it was this easy with banks. Last year, someone sent me money by direct bank transfer, ACH payment with Chase bank. Once it cleared into my account, I released the bitcoins, then a few days later the transaction was reversed. I was under the assumption that ACH payments were cash equivalents and cannot be reversed once cleared. Shortly after, chase closed my bank account, flagged me as being involved in FRAUD so now they won't ever let me open an account with them. All in all, I lost a lot of bitcoins, money, got account closed, and labeled as fraud on their records. I have no idea what the scumbag reported to chase, but this is the worst possible outcome. Very expensive lesson for me.

I'm not sure that Chase is known to be Bitcoin freindly so maybe others have had similar experience with them to tell us about?
legendary
Activity: 812
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July 07, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
#35
if you been paypal scammed then keep the money and let paypal reimburse them from paypal profits. afterall paypal have insurance, paypal make profit and paypal should have better security.. its their fault not yours.

unless your a scammer, never give back money to paypal.. let them lose out, not the honest people.

I only wish it was this easy with banks. Last year, someone sent me money by direct bank transfer, ACH payment with Chase bank. Once it cleared into my account, I released the bitcoins, then a few days later the transaction was reversed. I was under the assumption that ACH payments were cash equivalents and cannot be reversed once cleared. Shortly after, chase closed my bank account, flagged me as being involved in FRAUD so now they won't ever let me open an account with them. All in all, I lost a lot of bitcoins, money, got account closed, and labeled as fraud on their records. I have no idea what the scumbag reported to chase, but this is the worst possible outcome. Very expensive lesson for me.
legendary
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July 07, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
#34
Some punk scammed me out of 4 BTC last night.
And this morning my Jalapeño died in a power surge.

Not cool.

That was my favorite (albeit useless) miner.

It's officially Bad Mood Monday.

Wow, very sorry to hear, hopefully it gets better!
hero member
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July 07, 2014, 12:25:45 PM
#33
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!

That is exactly why I like these kind of threads. When I found my way here I gained a ton of valuable knowledge just by reading about other people's experiences. I feel almost guilty saying it but I have used the hard lessons others have learned to avoid the costly mistakes people make when new to bit coin.

Rock on dude - better to learn on a thread than to learn the hard way!

Now I'm going to experiment and see how many times I can make my old Jally skip across a lake...


Well, we shot skeet with ours............................

Wink

Nice.
sr. member
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July 07, 2014, 12:13:09 PM
#32
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!

That is exactly why I like these kind of threads. When I found my way here I gained a ton of valuable knowledge just by reading about other people's experiences. I feel almost guilty saying it but I have used the hard lessons others have learned to avoid the costly mistakes people make when new to bit coin.

OH, my freind, profiting from the experience of others is EXACTLY what you should do!

Why try to reinvent the wheel?

It's like if some guy tells you, "Hey, if you do this shit, you're gonna get killed!"

You say, "Naw, I can do that shit!"

KA-BOOM!

You can't get into Heaven 'cause you killed yourself, so where are you then?

You can't get into Hell because Satan figures you're too stupid to even stoke the fires and are therefore a safety hazard, so avoid all that shit by learning and profiting from both the successes and mistakes of others!
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 12:06:54 PM
#31
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!

That is exactly why I like these kind of threads. When I found my way here I gained a ton of valuable knowledge just by reading about other people's experiences. I feel almost guilty saying it but I have used the hard lessons others have learned to avoid the costly mistakes people make when new to bit coin.

Rock on dude - better to learn on a thread than to learn the hard way!

Now I'm going to experiment and see how many times I can make my old Jally skip across a lake...


Well, we shot skeet with ours............................

Wink
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
July 07, 2014, 12:05:16 PM
#30
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!

That is exactly why I like these kind of threads. When I found my way here I gained a ton of valuable knowledge just by reading about other people's experiences. I feel almost guilty saying it but I have used the hard lessons others have learned to avoid the costly mistakes people make when new to bit coin.

Rock on dude - better to learn on a thread than to learn the hard way!

Now I'm going to experiment and see how many times I can make my old Jally skip across a lake...
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 12:01:53 PM
#29
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!

That is exactly why I like these kind of threads. When I found my way here I gained a ton of valuable knowledge just by reading about other people's experiences. I feel almost guilty saying it but I have used the hard lessons others have learned to avoid the costly mistakes people make when new to bit coin.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
#28
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.

An errror or mistake represents a learning opporutinity.

Learn, live long and prosper!

Wink

Thus spake The Dutchman!
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
July 07, 2014, 11:50:42 AM
#27
I guess it's part of the fun of bitcoin. I'm sure in the early days of gold you just took it for granted that you'd get robbed and stuff. Part of the nature of irreversible currency.

I guess the important thing is to learn from the error, shake it off, then move on.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
July 07, 2014, 11:46:34 AM
#26
Some punk scammed me out of 4 BTC last night.
And this morning my Jalapeño died in a power surge.

Not cool.

That was my favorite (albeit useless) miner.

It's officially Bad Mood Monday.

Not entirely bad.

At least your Jally had the common sense to give up the ghost!

Damn thing was just a coffee cup warmer!

As far as being scammed through Paypal, by now everyone on this forum should know better than to use Paypal in connection with ANY crypto transaction of ANY kind.

Shame on you!

haha yeah I'm an idiot!


No, you are NOT an idiot!

You just had to learn the hard way and I've done that myself and lost much more than you but in other areas.

Armed with this new knowledge, get back to work earn and keep your ass covered!

Best wishes!
hero member
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July 07, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
#25
Some punk scammed me out of 4 BTC last night.
And this morning my Jalapeño died in a power surge.

Not cool.

That was my favorite (albeit useless) miner.

It's officially Bad Mood Monday.

Not entirely bad.

At least your Jally had the common sense to give up the ghost!

Damn thing was just a coffee cup warmer!

As far as being scammed through Paypal, by now everyone on this forum should know better than to use Paypal in connection with ANY crypto transaction of ANY kind.

Shame on you!

haha yeah I'm an idiot!
hero member
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July 07, 2014, 11:41:44 AM
#24
Hey thanks for all the advice and support.
I won't send the money back to the people. I'll let Paypal deal with it. You guys are right.

This is how it went down. I have a listing on eBay for a physical coin. Some guy asked if I would sell him bitcoin digitally. I said ok, but only if he paypal'd me the money as "friends or family". I thought that that was irreversible, but I guess I was wrong.

So he paid me for one btc, then he said that he had other friends who wanted in on it too since I sold the btc pretty much at spot price. I said sure, but so as not to confuse, I'd send him the btc and he would send it to his friends, after they paypal'd the money to me as friends or family.

This morning I woke up and one of the people had reversed their payment claiming their account was hacked. So far the other payments stand good, so technically I've only lost one btc at this stage. Suspecting it was just one guy who hacked other people's paypal accounts, I thought the other charges will be reversed soon.
But you have all assured me that that's probably not the case.

That's where I stand now. I did send emails to the other people asking them if they got their BTC.

And as far as the Jalapeño goes - I'm not gonna spend $10 on a new PSU, since it will never make back $10 at this stage hahaha!


I guess I'm a total idiot. I'm only gonna take cash for btc in future. Or just stick to exchanges.
sr. member
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July 07, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
#23
Some punk scammed me out of 4 BTC last night.
And this morning my Jalapeño died in a power surge.

Not cool.

That was my favorite (albeit useless) miner.

It's officially Bad Mood Monday.

Not entirely bad.

At least your Jally had the common sense to give up the ghost!

Damn thing was just a coffee cup warmer!

As far as being scammed through Paypal, by now everyone on this forum should know better than to use Paypal in connection with ANY crypto transaction of ANY kind.

Shame on you!
vip
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Merit: 1145
July 07, 2014, 11:24:21 AM
#22
rule of the street, if you wont simply hand a stranger on the street $2400... dont do it online

I thought I had it down. It didn't occur to me that he was hacking other people's Paypal accounts to pay me. So I'm doing what's right and returning their money to them.

no.. he is not hacking other peoples accounts..

thats what the chargeback kings always say to paypal "we have ben hacked" thats how they get their money back and keep the bitcoins

if you been paypal scammed then keep the money and let paypal reimburse them from paypal profits. afterall paypal have insurance, paypal make profit and paypal should have better security.. its their fault not yours.

unless your a scammer, never give back money to paypal.. let them lose out, not the honest people.

That sounds like a good idea in theory, but Paypal just takes the money out of your account first and then asks questions later...  If you have a 0 paypal balance, then your balance becomes negative and you can no longer use the account until you repay the overdraw amount...

Rumor has it that creating a new PayPal account is the hardest thing in the world to do  Roll Eyes, ergo protect your PayPal account at ALL cost.
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Nosce te Ipsum
July 07, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
#21
Some punk scammed me out of 4 BTC last night.
And this morning my Jalapeño died in a power surge.

Not cool.

That was my favorite (albeit useless) miner.

It's officially Bad Mood Monday.

Dint you use escrow ?

Escrow doesn't protect you from a payPal chargeback.
hero member
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Nosce te Ipsum
July 07, 2014, 11:16:05 AM
#20
rule of the street, if you wont simply hand a stranger on the street $2400... dont do it online

I thought I had it down. It didn't occur to me that he was hacking other people's Paypal accounts to pay me. So I'm doing what's right and returning their money to them.

Sorry for your loss!!

Happened to me last week! Wasn't as bad as your ass kicking though! He wasn't hacking, you were caught up in a "man in the middle" scam. He offers to sell someone Bitcoin and gives them your PayPal id, then contacts you and says he either sent, or is sending you money for Bitcoin and gives you an address to send the coins to. When the guy that paid you doesn't get his Bitcoin he does a chargeback and you're left holding your dick!

Worst part about my situation is, the guy who sent me the money on PayPal and did the chargeback was a total dumb fucking douche nozzle piece of shit! He was so fucking stupid that he thought that I was the one who scammed him even after I explained the whole thing to him with proof, and offered to send him $100 in Bitcoin even after PayPal issued the refund! Some people are just born stupid!
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July 07, 2014, 11:14:19 AM
#19
rule of the street, if you wont simply hand a stranger on the street $2400... dont do it online

...So I'm doing what's right and returning their money to them.
"I'm choosing to give away money that rightfully belonged to me"

Barring irrefutable evidence of his claims, the OP is the real scammer in this thread, as far as I'm concerned.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
July 07, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
#18
rule of the street, if you wont simply hand a stranger on the street $2400... dont do it online

I thought I had it down. It didn't occur to me that he was hacking other people's Paypal accounts to pay me. So I'm doing what's right and returning their money to them.

no.. he is not hacking other peoples accounts..

thats what the chargeback kings always say to paypal "we have ben hacked" thats how they get their money back and keep the bitcoins

if you been paypal scammed then keep the money and let paypal reimburse them from paypal profits. afterall paypal have insurance, paypal make profit and paypal should have better security.. its their fault not yours.

unless your a scammer, never give back money to paypal.. let them lose out, not the honest people.

That sounds like a good idea in theory, but Paypal just takes the money out of your account first and then asks questions later...  If you have a 0 paypal balance, then your balance becomes negative and you can no longer use the account until you repay the overdraw amount...
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