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legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
May 30, 2022, 03:43:29 PM
#40
It's shame that user like BADecker is No. 2 most posts made user on Bitcointalk. He derails almost every topic in P & S board, but he haven't done enough to get banned. His posts is usually nonsense shit, but often he post on topic, even if it's completegarbage.
Now I can't remember what situation on that board was when it had dedicated mod. Was it better?

What's up with BADecker and why is he here anyway? 96.2% of his posts belong to P&S and Off-Topic. I don't blame him for not talking about bitcoin often; it's obvious that he doesn't know what is he talking about. Also, does anybody know why he ends each post with a "Cool" smiley?

I've been wondering did he ever made post about Bitcoin and yes, he did. But I think it's good that he stick with Politics and society board and not posting nonsense in other boards. And yeah, it's interesting for me too what is purpose of this smiley in his every post.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 30, 2022, 11:53:17 AM
#39
BADecker would always take the most absurd position on almost every topic
Isn't he just trolling?

Sometimes, likely, may not be his main intent though as he seems to genuinely believe at least some of the stuff he's posting. He gets trolled a lot too when  others lose patience with him.

In any case, as long as it's not disruptive to the discussion, I wouldn't particularly care how the opinion is expressed.
legendary
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May 30, 2022, 09:28:51 AM
#38
BADecker would always take the most absurd position on almost every topic
Isn't he just trolling?
legendary
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Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
May 30, 2022, 07:55:07 AM
#37
I can't speak for my cycle-mate, but I have reported BADecker's posts with all sorts of violations, including plagiarism. The only thing that is handled properly is multiposting, everything else is ignored.
That means that the staff are checking the reports, they just don't agree with your point of view. They only agree when you report posts to be merged, but not not the off-topic cases. I didn't pay too much attention to what he wrote about Russia's occupation of Ukraine because I couldn't care less what he thinks about it. But it seems the staff don't mind it, for whatever reason. But that plagiarism that o_e_l_e_o found definitely needs to be addressed.  

This has been going on for years. BADecker would always take the most absurd position on almost every topic (except he was not a flat earther, go figure), which is not a bad thing in itself. However it doesn't mean he should have free reign derailing every thread. He also tends to create needless new threads when similar topics already exist; it's low level copypasta-but-with-links-so-technically-not-plagiarism garbage and he's basically doing this to bypass the multipost rule.

I think mods' indifference is caused by their lack of engagement, lack of feeling for the flow of discussion and disruptions thereof. That's why I think that a person from outside who is not actually invested in keeping P&S clean and usable (not just for copypasta trolls) would not do well as a moderator there, and that's basically what we're seeing now. That's why FH was a good choice for a moderator regardless of his political views.

I had talks with HF about this very topic and I believe he truly tried to remain impartial as possible.

He did and P&S was a much more adequate board under his supervision. I've had some discussions with him on the subject of moderation as well, and I liked his reasoning even if I disagreed with him.
legendary
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May 30, 2022, 06:35:33 AM
#36
It's impossible to have any kind of discussion on P&S without him derailing it. He just goes through every thread and posts off topic nonsense. Reported about a million times, nothing ever happens.
I have to say that P&S section is part of my ignore list so I don't see most of BADecker posts, and this board is probably with low radar inspection from forum moderators.
You can always ignore only BADecker account if you don't like his off-topic posts, but I guess every place have one of those weirdoes  Cheesy
Funny thing about him is that he is doing everything for free, so he obviously have a lot of free time and motivation for this.
I wouldn't ban him if I was moderator even if I don't like his action, and he probably has few altaccounts that would continue to do something similar in future, maybe even harder then before.
legendary
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Merit: 7065
May 30, 2022, 04:52:22 AM
#35
I can't speak for my cycle-mate, but I have reported BADecker's posts with all sorts of violations, including plagiarism. The only thing that is handled properly is multiposting, everything else is ignored.
That means that the staff are checking the reports, they just don't agree with your point of view. They only agree when you report posts to be merged, but not not the off-topic cases. I didn't pay too much attention to what he wrote about Russia's occupation of Ukraine because I couldn't care less what he thinks about it. But it seems the staff don't mind it, for whatever reason. But that plagiarism that o_e_l_e_o found definitely needs to be addressed. 
legendary
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May 30, 2022, 04:38:50 AM
#34
He has to to get banned.

This sums it up perfectly.
And I think that the only reason he didn't get banned yet is because a huge lot of high rank users simply ignore the entire P&S section (imho this is a very important missing point in the Poll too), allowing that user fly under the radar.
hero member
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May 30, 2022, 04:23:22 AM
#33
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Don't want to get too off topic here, and I like your enthusiasm, but I would disagree strongly with the implementation of such an idea.

Merit is already treated by many as a "I like this/I agree with this" button rather than a "This is a constructive post/This adds to the topic at hand, regardless of whether or not I agree with it" button. A de-merit button would be treated the same, with many users using it on posts they do not like or disagree with, rather than posts which are simply spam, zero value, etc. There is no doubt people would use de-merit against users who accuse them of something, give them red trust, or simply disagree with them. I also have no doubt that there would be merit circles who would conspire to heavily de-merit users they do not like.

Having such a set up essentially turns us in to an echo chamber like Reddit, where the most popular opinions are the most visible, regardless of whether or not they are actually correct.

We already have (multiple) rules against this sort of behavior from BADecker. We just need to actually enforce them.
Couldn't have said it better myself, I understand the reason why de-merit could possibly be a solution, however, it won't be treated correctly, which is entirely understandable for the reasons o_e_l_e_o mentioned. On top of that, it could potentially be abused from higher tier members to lower ranked ones that may not like or agree with, resulting in a bullying situation, something we're certainly not striving for.

My two cents, moderate sections with controversial subjects, such as Politics & Society, handle any reports made fair and rightfully, without taking advantage of the moderator position (another user already volunteered to do it), encourage more self-moderated threads to avoid BADeckers, as an effort for thread creators to avoid spam and shitposting, not to enforce their opinion. It's totally fine by me to have an opposite opinion about Covid-19 or anything else, however, I can show numerous examples of BADecker and a few other users who share similar characteristics with him, trashing my threads.
legendary
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May 30, 2022, 03:33:20 AM
#32
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Don't want to get too off topic here, and I like your enthusiasm, but I would disagree strongly with the implementation of such an idea.

Merit is already treated by many as a "I like this/I agree with this" button rather than a "This is a constructive post/This adds to the topic at hand, regardless of whether or not I agree with it" button. A de-merit button would be treated the same, with many users using it on posts they do not like or disagree with, rather than posts which are simply spam, zero value, etc. There is no doubt people would use de-merit against users who accuse them of something, give them red trust, or simply disagree with them. I also have no doubt that there would be merit circles who would conspire to heavily de-merit users they do not like.

Having such a set up essentially turns us in to an echo chamber like Reddit, where the most popular opinions are the most visible, regardless of whether or not they are actually correct.

We already have (multiple) rules against this sort of behavior from BADecker. We just need to actually enforce them.
legendary
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Merit: 7340
Farewell, Leo
May 30, 2022, 01:34:10 AM
#31
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This sounds like a good idea, although I have a doubt, but it's not the core of the problem. The thing is, this proposal, disappointingly, reveals that this forum lacks on implementing these few rules it has. If a person plagiarizes, posts death threats, creates literally zero quality content and irritates the rest in a dozen other ways, we shouldn't just ignore him because there's a "Shitposter" below his username.

He has to to get banned.
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 08:39:34 PM
#30
I totally agree, maybe you know about King Scorpio, same league like BADecker.

Oh yes, of course.
Lips sealed

Wink


It would be a decentralized way how to solve the issue, don't require action from mods, would discourage bad posting and would be a 100% community driven consensus.

This has a potentially nasty side effect of silencing unpopular opinions. Perhaps some additional limits would be needed. Similar to how you can't send more than 50 merits per month to a single user, a limit of 5 or 10 demerits per user per month should apply.
+1
Something like that.
Before introducing it, a detailed community discussion would be beneficial where various points could be evaluated.
By doing so we could see if there's community support for it or not.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
May 29, 2022, 08:29:13 PM
#29
I totally agree, maybe you know about King Scorpio, same league like BADecker.

Oh yes, of course.

It would be a decentralized way how to solve the issue, don't require action from mods, would discourage bad posting and would be a 100% community driven consensus.

This has a potentially nasty side effect of silencing unpopular opinions. Perhaps some additional limits would be needed. Similar to how you can't send more than 50 merits per month to a single user, a limit of 5 or 10 demerits per user per month should apply.

But I doubt any such changes are forthcoming.
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 07:23:33 PM
#28
Have you reported the posts?

I can't speak for my cycle-mate, but I have reported BADecker's posts with all sorts of violations, including plagiarism. The only thing that is handled properly is multiposting, everything else is ignored.
I totally agree, maybe you know about King Scorpio, same league like BADecker. He's a troll from our german section but luckily he's not much active anymore because he's busy with his failed shitcoin (?). But we have some additional idiots, also from a shitposting perspective.
There was already borderline plagiarism and the affected account was told how to quote properly but he just doesn't care. There are tons more of derailing comments. We really don't need such negative-value trolls and should find a decetralized solution to discourage them. Could also be used for shitposters.

We should really think about how to solve that issue and a decentralized solution to get rid of their troll- and spamposts could be some sort of a de-merit system.
Yes, it has been discussed very controversely but if we do it right, we could get rid of some problems caused by low-quality posting, trolls, topic-derailing and similar.

How could we achieve a fair solution, difficult to get abused:

  • Peg sendable de-Merit to earned Merit. For every earned Merit, 0.25 spendable de-Merit will be earned and earned de-Merit could be spent for low-quality posts, misleading content or troll spam. Pegging de-Merit to earned Merit would make sure to allocate a steady flow of spendable de-Merit to accounts knowing how to evaluate quality posts (and shitposts).
  • If a low-quality post receives 1 de-Merit, his Merit score will be reduced by 1 and so on
  • Ranking down is activated
  • Negative total Merit count = posting disabled (new Forum Rank "Shitposter"  Cheesy)

It would be a decentralized way how to solve the issue, don't require action from mods, would discourage bad posting and would be a 100% community driven consensus.
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 06:27:01 PM
#27
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Btw as out there as badecker can be every once in a while he drops a golden nugget of info.
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Which is 100% not relevant due to his plagiarism.
For whatever reason the mods due not want to stop him.

Probably for the same reason that the altcoin / tokens sections are allowed to fester the way they do.
More posts = better to sell ad space and keep the forum up in google and other rankings.

Just my cynical view.

-Dave
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 06:14:47 PM
#26
I don't think it should be that difficult. There are plenty of people in P&S who post absolute nonsense, but at least manage to mostly stay on topic and can make a coherent post, even if the content of that post is moronic. And then there are people like BADecker and Tash who just post low quality and off topic trash which contributes absolutely nothing to any thread.

We delete off topic posts and posts which add nothing in other boards. Why not P&S?
I do agree somewhat, there's definitely a few cases of pretty straight forward off topic replies, or just genuinely low quality posts. Although, I do think you need someone in the P&S section that probably doesn't care all too much about politics, otherwise personal beliefs, and views can get in the way.

FH was a left-wing Bernie bro, and IIRC was a supporter of communism. That is far from moderate, and he did care about politics.

IMO, it is more important for the P&S mod to be able to moderate in a way that is viewpoint neutral, and will not allow his views on topics of discussion interfear with his decision making.

As I stated he was a buddy of mine and while he was definitely further left than I agree with, he is a good person who absolutely did not support communism. He just believed in bigger government than I see being ideal personally. Theymos and him didn’t agree on much, but still hired him which imo says a lot about them both. I had talks with HF about this very topic and I believe he truly tried to remain impartial as possible. It stressed him out with all the meta threads against him as it was always “HF is impartial etc etc”. Truth is mods delete stuff all the time. I’ve had plenty of stuff deleted I didn’t agree with but it’s a tough job and I know they do their best.

However I agree with you. I think, as Loyce always says, a Sweden type would prob be ideal. Then no one can
claim political bias in Meta.
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
#25
I know BADecker very well and I can say that he is a very passionate person when he participates in a discussion, and that when he starts explaining or proving something he never gives up.
This applies not only to discussions in the PS part of the forum but also in the offtopic, more specifically on religious topics.
Take for example this topic I started in offtopic 8 years ago, and which I thought would last a couple of days or weeks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.10360
Thanks almost exclusively to BADecker, who had to discuss with every member of the forum who would disagree with his opinion in this topic, this topic has been active for 5 years and already has 519 pages  Grin
Given the decline in activity on this forum in recent times, forum administrators may not have anything against such discussions that keep the forum alive, but I see that in this stage, many members simply gave up the discussion with BADecker in this topic.
What the solution is and whether something needs to be done, I’m really not sure and I don’t know.
This is probably more of a question for forum moderators.

copper member
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May 29, 2022, 12:56:54 PM
#24
I don't think it should be that difficult. There are plenty of people in P&S who post absolute nonsense, but at least manage to mostly stay on topic and can make a coherent post, even if the content of that post is moronic. And then there are people like BADecker and Tash who just post low quality and off topic trash which contributes absolutely nothing to any thread.

We delete off topic posts and posts which add nothing in other boards. Why not P&S?
I do agree somewhat, there's definitely a few cases of pretty straight forward off topic replies, or just genuinely low quality posts. Although, I do think you need someone in the P&S section that probably doesn't care all too much about politics, otherwise personal beliefs, and views can get in the way.

FH was a left-wing Bernie bro, and IIRC was a supporter of communism. That is far from moderate, and he did care about politics.

IMO, it is more important for the P&S mod to be able to moderate in a way that is viewpoint neutral, and will not allow his views on topics of discussion interfear with his decision making.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
May 29, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
#23
Personally I would be willing to modify that section.

What is the pay? Theymos can pm me if he wants to let me modify it.

I am willing to give theymos my kyc etc.

Btw as out there as badecker can be every once in a while he drops a golden nugget of info.

So at whomever is in charge of moderators please contact me via pm if you want me to modify that section.

I take it you mean "moderate", not "modify", but I don't know if it is equivalent where you live in the US.

What about modifying or moderating the WO thread? You are a regular there, and suchmoon was complaining recently, as you may have seen.

My iPad auto correct is crazy I will correct the error.

I thought about modding a few times. If I do mod.

It would need be in threads/boards I do not post much in.

So the btc mining the alt coin mining and the wo/economic area I would not want to do.

BTW the wo thread can be very off the wall at times.

Well I will see if theymos and staff want me to try on P+S board.
legendary
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May 29, 2022, 11:19:45 AM
#22
Personally I would be willing to modify that section.

What is the pay? Theymos can pm me if he wants to let me modify it.

I am willing to give theymos my kyc etc.

Btw as out there as badecker can be every once in a while he drops a golden nugget of info.

So at whomever is in charge of moderators please contact me via pm if you want me to modify that section.

I take it you mean "moderate", not "modify", but I don't know if it is equivalent where you live in the US.

What about modifying or moderating the WO thread? You are a regular there, and suchmoon was complaining recently, as you may have seen.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
May 29, 2022, 10:22:17 AM
#21
Personally I would be willing to moderate that section.

What is the pay? Theymos can pm me if he wants to let me modify it.

I am willing to give theymos my kyc etc.

Btw as out there as badecker can be every once in a while he drops a golden nugget of info.

So at whomever is in charge of moderators please contact me via pm if you want me to modify that section.


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