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legendary
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September 11, 2014, 08:04:56 AM
#52
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You do understand that consumer adoption follows media exposure, right?


So, just to eliminate any doubt in my mind, since last year we had:
1.  Increasing media exposure.
2.  Increasing adoption.
3.  Falling exchange rate.

 If (1) and (2) continue, the exchange rate is going to continue on its present trajectory, i.e. falling.

Huh

I don't remember using the word price in that sentence.

I don't remember using the word "price" in this entire thread.  What made you bring it up?

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I would say personally that adoption is lagging compared to merchant integration, and speculators are selling more than buying resulting in us being at the bottom of a bear market. I think merchant adoption is actually largely irrelevant to the price at current levels of trade.

User adoption is rising and once the price turns and heads back up past 800 a new larger tranche of users will discover how easy it is to buy, save and use bitcoin. They and you will drive the next bubble. As you well know it is a price cycle - not a strict mathematical formula.

Are you saying that user adoption is driven by the price (higher BTC exchange rate will cause greater adoption), and not vice versa?  If so, I'd say you're in the minority.

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Your points would have been equally valid last year after the run to 266 and dive to 60, for a time. Shortly afterward they became very wrong indeed, as I suspect they will again.

I posted a list of [what I believe to be facts], (1) through (3), and a conclusion following from the premise that BTC exchange rate was in a causal relationship with (2).

Like so:
A -> B
~B
A
~(A -> B)

...so not sure what you mean by "your point."  What point do you think I'm trying to make?

I am posting this from an ipad so apologies for formatting.

Exchange rate = price. Hence the mention.

Your argument seems to be: continued bitcoin media exposure together with rising adoption equals a falling price. Therefore bitcoin is going to continue falling.

Now since the price previously topped that correlation exists. Correlation does not equal causation. Simply widening your timeframe tells a different and opposite story where the price has risen instead.
sr. member
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September 11, 2014, 07:56:01 AM
#51
...
You do understand that consumer adoption follows media exposure, right?


So, just to eliminate any doubt in my mind, since last year we had:
1.  Increasing media exposure.
2.  Increasing adoption.
3.  Falling exchange rate.

  If (1) and (2) continue, the exchange rate is going to continue on its present trajectory, i.e. falling.

Huh

I don't remember using the word price in that sentence.

I don't remember using the word "price" in this entire thread.  What made you bring it up?

Quote
I would say personally that adoption is lagging compared to merchant integration, and speculators are selling more than buying resulting in us being at the bottom of a bear market. I think merchant adoption is actually largely irrelevant to the price at current levels of trade.

User adoption is rising and once the price turns and heads back up past 800 a new larger tranche of users will discover how easy it is to buy, save and use bitcoin. They and you will drive the next bubble. As you well know it is a price cycle - not a strict mathematical formula.

Are you saying that user adoption is driven by the price (higher BTC exchange rate will cause greater adoption), and not vice versa?  If so, I'd say you're in the minority.

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Your points would have been equally valid last year after the run to 266 and dive to 60, for a time. Shortly afterward they became very wrong indeed, as I suspect they will again.

I posted a list of [what I believe to be facts], (1) through (3), and a conclusion following from the premise that BTC exchange rate was in a causal relationship with (2).

Like so:
A -> B
~B
A
~(A -> B)

...so not sure what you mean by "your point."  What point do you think I'm trying to make?
legendary
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September 11, 2014, 07:39:08 AM
#50
Shortly afterward they became very wrong indeed, as I suspect they will again.



It's different this time, since we no longer have Gox manipulating the price, pulling the rest of the market in its direction. There won't be a new rally.

It's different this time, eh? Ha.

sr. member
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September 11, 2014, 07:37:58 AM
#49

pretty sure i didn't say anything about what ebay accepting bitcoin would do to the price. just pointing out how whatshisface was lying about how ebay was not considering using bitcoin. maybe learn to read before replying?


You're right, and I'm sorry. I should've replied to inca or another bull.
sr. member
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September 11, 2014, 07:36:05 AM
#48
Shortly afterward they became very wrong indeed, as I suspect they will again.



It's different this time, since we no longer have Gox manipulating the price, pulling the rest of the market in its direction. There won't be a new rally.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
September 11, 2014, 07:28:37 AM
#47
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You do understand that consumer adoption follows media exposure, right?


So, just to eliminate any doubt in my mind, since last year we had:
1.  Increasing media exposure.
2.  Increasing adoption.
3.  Falling exchange rate.

  If (1) and (2) continue, the exchange rate is going to continue on its present trajectory, i.e. falling.

Huh

I don't remember using the word price in that sentence.

I would say personally that adoption is lagging compared to merchant integration, and speculators are selling more than buying resulting in us being at the bottom of a bear market. I think merchant adoption is actually largely irrelevant to the price at current levels of trade.

User adoption is rising and once the price turns and heads back up past 800 a new larger tranche of users will discover how easy it is to buy, save and use bitcoin. They and you will drive the next bubble. As you well know it is a price cycle - not a strict mathematical formula.

Your points would have been equally valid last year after the run to 266 and dive to 60, for a time. Shortly afterward they became very wrong indeed, as I suspect they will again.





sr. member
Activity: 336
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September 11, 2014, 07:12:06 AM
#46
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.

A paypal subsidiary called braintree will probably use bitcoin a a mobile phone payment option, but ebay/paypal is not considering bitcoin at the moment.

the ceo of ebay has been considering BTC for about a year, he likes btc a lot. pay pals reluctance is what has kept it from going through. they have a monopoly over ebay they don't want to give up. likely paypal sees its only a matter of time and is trying to position themselves as middleman in the setup.


eBay adopting BTC would result in increased sell pressure, hence falling prices. The PayPal announcement had the same effect. New merchants accept BTC all the time, and price keeps falling.

pretty sure i didn't say anything about what ebay accepting bitcoin would do to the price. just pointing out how whatshisface was lying about how ebay was not considering using bitcoin. maybe learn to read before replying?
sr. member
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September 11, 2014, 07:10:47 AM
#45
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You do understand that consumer adoption follows media exposure, right?


So, just to eliminate any doubt in my mind, since last year we had:
1.  Increasing media exposure.
2.  Increasing adoption.
3.  Falling exchange rate.

  If (1) and (2) continue, the exchange rate is going to continue on its present trajectory, i.e. falling.

Huh
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
September 11, 2014, 06:51:26 AM
#44
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.

A paypal subsidiary called braintree will probably use bitcoin a a mobile phone payment option, but ebay/paypal is not considering bitcoin at the moment.

the ceo of ebay has been considering BTC for about a year, he likes btc a lot. pay pals reluctance is what has kept it from going through. they have a monopoly over ebay they don't want to give up. likely paypal sees its only a matter of time and is trying to position themselves as middleman in the setup.


eBay adopting BTC would result in increased sell pressure, hence falling prices. The PayPal announcement had the same effect. New merchants accept BTC all the time, and price keeps falling.

You do understand that consumer adoption follows media exposure, right?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
September 11, 2014, 06:49:48 AM
#43
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.

A paypal subsidiary called braintree will probably use bitcoin a a mobile phone payment option, but ebay/paypal is not considering bitcoin at the moment.

the ceo of ebay has been considering BTC for about a year, he likes btc a lot. pay pals reluctance is what has kept it from going through. they have a monopoly over ebay they don't want to give up. likely paypal sees its only a matter of time and is trying to position themselves as middleman in the setup.


eBay adopting BTC would result in increased sell pressure, hence falling prices. The PayPal announcement had the same effect. New merchants accept BTC all the time, and price keeps falling.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
September 11, 2014, 06:31:10 AM
#42
If bitcoin goes up even $600, I will sell. Really, I will sell.

In this way you will miss the rise to 3000$, just howl and wait.

Oh really? You believe that? Bitcoin to $3000? Hmmmm.. 2-3 years maybe..

Overly fanatics.. Come down here.. in reality.. There will be no way bitcoin will rise up to $3000. No way. Dont get your hopes up.

Last year no one thought it would reach 266. Then no one thought it could ever reach 1200. Now after the market is working off that exuberance and coins are being distributed from short term speculators to long term holders eventually supply will dry up once again.

How high will it go this time? Hint: most of the forum seems to be expecting it to plummet to 200-350.
member
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September 11, 2014, 02:26:08 AM
#41
If bitcoin goes up even $600, I will sell. Really, I will sell.

In this way you will miss the rise to 3000$, just howl and wait.

Oh really? You believe that? Bitcoin to $3000? Hmmmm.. 2-3 years maybe..

Overly fanatics.. Come down here.. in reality.. There will be no way bitcoin will rise up to $3000. No way. Dont get your hopes up.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 06:02:09 PM
#40
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.

A paypal subsidiary called braintree will probably use bitcoin a a mobile phone payment option, but ebay/paypal is not considering bitcoin at the moment.

the ceo of ebay has been considering BTC for about a year, he likes btc a lot. pay pals reluctance is what has kept it from going through. they have a monopoly over ebay they don't want to give up. likely paypal sees its only a matter of time and is trying to position themselves as middleman in the setup.
hero member
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Time is on our side, yes it is!
September 10, 2014, 06:01:43 PM
#39
+1, I for couldn't agree more with the OP.  It's not like this is new to anyone who whatces the other altcoins.  The price falls and people lose interest then once no one it looking the price rockets up and people that sold kick themselves.  If you beleive in Bitcoin you should be buying some right regardless of what the price is doing.  The hard part is hodling in my opinion.  Smiley

Risk what you can afford to lose and you will never regret it is the only way, just my 2 satoshi's
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 05:24:33 PM
#38
It is true that you do need balls of steel when it comes to bitcoin. You need to have the balls to be able to invest no matter what is happening and how much the price is dropping and to know that sooner or later that price will soon making a turning point and may just increase. It's always wise to invest what you know you can afford but never be afraid to as you may regret it if things do change!
member
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September 10, 2014, 04:58:07 PM
#37
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.

A paypal subsidiary called braintree will probably use bitcoin a a mobile phone payment option, but ebay/paypal is not considering bitcoin at the moment.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
#36
There are only two really valuable things in this universe: Energy and information. And Bitcoin users have shown our conformity in using this protocol and use the internet as a support to keep that valuable information. HOLD.
sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
#35
well WTF am I missing here ebay/paypal announces they are gonna take Bitcoin and usd price has dropped to $466 wtf am I missing here..jeez


What you're missing is that ebay/paypal hasn't announced that they are going to take bitcoin. Once they do actually announce they will be accepting bitcoin it might be a different story, but until it actually happens I wouldnt hold my breath.
member
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Merit: 10
Play Rock Paper Scissor Lizard Spock
September 10, 2014, 09:35:30 AM
#34
If bitcoin goes up even $600, I will sell. Really, I will sell.

In this way you will miss the rise to 3000$, just howl and wait.

Oh really? You believe that? Bitcoin to $3000? Hmmmm.. 2-3 years maybe..
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
September 09, 2014, 07:23:31 AM
#33
If we go up next year after a very long dry patch - the one we're currently experiencing, people who had those "Balls of Steel" will be the ones who are laughing! "Balls of Steel" can indeed be a good thing to actually pull through with your investment strategy, rather than emotionally trade your stash away.

I only hope that when we do go up, even those who invested in Nov 2013 make some serious money.  Smiley

Ian quite confident that as soon as we get back to $700-$800, we will also soon approach a new All Time High. That's when everyone (even or especially bears) go into bubble mode and will ride that rocket.
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