BAMT version 0.5 - Easy USB based mining Linux with farm wide management tools - page 69.

Inaba

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Whatever. My rantings.. heh. I'm trying to a) get answers that will b) eventually lead to an improved BAMT. Screw you.

Go on being a dick, I don't need this shit, got enough of my own to deal with.

Have fun with whatever you're doing. I'll check it out again when it matures to the point of being usable for larger installations, instead of disabling every feature that makes it worth while. I'm sure it's great for people who need a lot of hand holding to install linux, though. I know that apt-get can be daunting Huh

to use.

neo_rage

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bamt is awesome for multiply set up of mining rigs.

lodcrappo

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Quote from: boozer on March 02, 2012, 03:44:19 PM

I was looking into getting 7970's... Does BAMT support them natively or do i need to install drivers? I searched around a bit and only found this unanswered thread, but I very well could have missed the answer elsewhere:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/7970-rig-66560

BAMT comes with driver version 11.6 and SDK 2.4. I honestly don't know what drivers/sdk/etc are required for 7xxx cards, but I think you need something newer than what we supply.

Installing a new driver is very easy, simply download and run the .sh file from ATI's website. New SDK is a bit more involved, but any guide to "how to set up mining" for debian or ubuntu should suffice.

I'm also not sure if phoenix has kernels for the 7xxx series, or if you need something special there, or what else might be required.

Long story short: I'm sure it can be done, but it will take some work.

boozer

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I was looking into getting 7970's... Does BAMT support them natively or do i need to install drivers? I searched around a bit and only found this unanswered thread, but I very well could have missed the answer elsewhere:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/7970-rig-66560

max in montreal

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The point of BAMT is to make it easy for most who try to use it.

I have used linuxcoin in the past and it worked fine, but I had to put so much time reasearching to do little things that it was not worth the effort.

BAMT is easy, and works for most of us. You cannot make 100% of the users happy, no matter who you are.

he has given us his time and his help and for the amount of views this thread has, there must be a lot of users. There are a few complaints, but over all he has done an excellent job.

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Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

Yeah, it is a waste of your time to try to sort out why BAMT is failing, you're right.

Inaba, don't like it? Here's a solution for you. Don't use it.

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

They are trivial to install and can be updated without the need to basically rely on you to provide updates.

Great idea! Do it yourself.

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

I already made my point. With all the features of BAMT disabled, it seems to offer little beyond additional headaches for updating the software (without further breaking the BAMT integrated updating system).

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

So basically, you are saying that instead of working to improve the software and make it more compatible, it's better to try and belittle me with red herrings and barely alluded to "features." Gotcha!

Only for "speshul" people like you inaba.

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

..instead of working to improve the software

Way to show you know what you are talking about. Those of us that having been using BAMT know the truth.

Because lodcrappo is being too nice, I'll step up and say it. Shut the fuck up inaba. Go find some other thread to troll.

lodcrappo

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Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 02:48:43 PM

Quote from: lodcrappo on March 02, 2012, 01:55:06 PM

christ man, this is a waste of my time.

use your head. think about it.

does stock linux have the ATI drivers, the SDK, the openCL libraries, atitweak, amdoverdrivectl, phoenix and cgminer preinstalled and ready to run?
does stock linux provide updates to this software via an automatic patch system?
etc,etc.

If you have a point, please make it. Otherwise, this is just silly.

Yeah, it is a waste of your time to try to sort out why BAMT is failing, you're right. I mean, why would you want improve the release?

No, stock linux doesn't have those, but so what? They are trivial to install and can be updated without the need to basically rely on you to provide updates.

Yes, stock linux provides updates to the software via an automatic system.

etc.etc..

I already made my point. With all the features of BAMT disabled, it seems to offer little beyond additional headaches for updating the software (without further breaking the BAMT integrated updating system).

So basically, you are saying that instead of working to improve the software and make it more compatible, it's better to try and belittle me with red herrings and barely alluded to "features." Gotcha!

Thanks for doing what you have with BAMT, it's nice that you have. It's too bad you choose not to focus on the important bits and instead focus on the fluff! But then again, I'm sure a healthy cross section of the small time miners are not interested in the features that would make BAMT suitable for large farms, so it doesn't much matter.

I haven't tried to belittle you. I've tried to figure out wtf you are on about, and frankly I still haven't found any sense in your rantings.

What is it exactly that you want? And what are you willing to contribute to make it happen?

Inaba

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Quote from: gnar1ta$ on March 02, 2012, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 11:57:19 AM

Additionally, by my statement, I meant that people are suggesting to disable the features of bamt, such as gpu monitoring, mgpu monitoring, use cgminer (and basically disable the monitoring features, etc...) and just use cgminer directly. But at that point, why even bother with bamt? I guess I'm asking, with all of that disabled, what does bamt offer that my regular install I have been using for a year not offer?

Inaba if you use the settings I posted you will still have gpumon and mgpumon support, you will still have quick acces to reconfigure, to miner screens, and to fixes. detect_defunct: 0 just disables restarting the rig on a hung GPU - which is a fairly new feature anyway - and it sounded like a good place to start troubleshooting your issues.

Thanks gnar1ta$, I will give it a shot this weekend.

lodcrappo

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Quote from: max in montreal on March 02, 2012, 02:41:45 PM

I have a suggestion...

With so many cards being used I wish I had the ability to name them. Its great that i see its a 5970, but i think if i had the option to add or change the name somewhere, telling me that this 5970 is number 8 or this is my XFX card...I always find myself asking ok...what card was that, then running into the garage to check...

also some sort of tool that you can use to identify what card is what...as an example

you start gpu identify, i want to know which is gpu 1, so i indicate somehow that it is 1 i am looking for...shut down all other fans, and max out the fan on the gpu i am looking for...

I do not know how easy this would be, but in the past i have edited my config and put all fans to 0 and one to 100% just to check...

You think this might be a good idea or no?

a field you can put anything you want in, like the miner_loc field for the miner would be easy to add.

I could make a tool that uses fan to ID cards, actually thought about it before but there is always some reason not too. Can't remember what it is at the moment though.

Inaba

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Quote from: lodcrappo on March 02, 2012, 01:55:06 PM

christ man, this is a waste of my time.

use your head. think about it.

does stock linux have the ATI drivers, the SDK, the openCL libraries, atitweak, amdoverdrivectl, phoenix and cgminer preinstalled and ready to run?
does stock linux provide updates to this software via an automatic patch system?
etc,etc.

If you have a point, please make it. Otherwise, this is just silly.

Yeah, it is a waste of your time to try to sort out why BAMT is failing, you're right. I mean, why would you want improve the release?

No, stock linux doesn't have those, but so what? They are trivial to install and can be updated without the need to basically rely on you to provide updates.

Yes, stock linux provides updates to the software via an automatic system.

etc.etc..

I already made my point. With all the features of BAMT disabled, it seems to offer little beyond additional headaches for updating the software (without further breaking the BAMT integrated updating system).

So basically, you are saying that instead of working to improve the software and make it more compatible, it's better to try and belittle me with red herrings and barely alluded to "features." Gotcha!

Thanks for doing what you have with BAMT, it's nice that you have. It's too bad you choose not to focus on the important bits and instead focus on the fluff! But then again, I'm sure a healthy cross section of the small time miners are not interested in the features that would make BAMT suitable for large farms, so it doesn't much matter.

max in montreal

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I have a suggestion...

With so many cards being used I wish I had the ability to name them. Its great that i see its a 5970, but i think if i had the option to add or change the name somewhere, telling me that this 5970 is number 8 or this is my XFX card...I always find myself asking ok...what card was that, then running into the garage to check...

also some sort of tool that you can use to identify what card is what...as an example

you start gpu identify, i want to know which is gpu 1, so i indicate somehow that it is 1 i am looking for...shut down all other fans, and max out the fan on the gpu i am looking for...

I do not know how easy this would be, but in the past i have edited my config and put all fans to 0 and one to 100% just to check...

You think this might be a good idea or no?

lodcrappo

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Quote from: Splirow on March 02, 2012, 02:13:31 PM

Lodcrappo,

I think it would be a great idea to post on bamter all bamt.conf scripts or codes and their functions so people can decide which one to use. I know most of them are on the conf file already. But i think it will help the bamt community and new users instead of going through many pages of both threads.

All the options are documented in the example configuration in /opt/bamt/examples on every BAMT machine. They are also documented in the BAMT wiki on the examples page --->> http://bamter.org/redmine/projects/bamt/wiki/Examples

If people can't be bothered to look on their own machines or on the bamt support website... well... what is it going to take? what more can be done?

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Lodcrappo,

I think it would be a great idea to post on bamter all bamt.conf scripts or codes and their functions so people can decide which one to use. I know most of them are on the conf file already. But i think it will help the bamt community and new users instead of going through many pages of both threads.

gnar1ta$

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Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 11:57:19 AM

Additionally, by my statement, I meant that people are suggesting to disable the features of bamt, such as gpu monitoring, mgpu monitoring, use cgminer (and basically disable the monitoring features, etc...) and just use cgminer directly. But at that point, why even bother with bamt? I guess I'm asking, with all of that disabled, what does bamt offer that my regular install I have been using for a year not offer?

Inaba if you use the settings I posted you will still have gpumon and mgpumon support, you will still have quick acces to reconfigure, to miner screens, and to fixes. detect_defunct: 0 just disables restarting the rig on a hung GPU - which is a fairly new feature anyway - and it sounded like a good place to start troubleshooting your issues.

lodcrappo

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Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 01:48:02 PM

I'm not familiar with either. I know of LinuxCoin, but the last time I looked at it, it was a horrible mess. I don't know anything about Kano's process, got a link?

Let me ask another way - how does BAMT differ with all those features disabled, from a stock Linux install onto a USB?

christ man, this is a waste of my time.

use your head. think about it.

does stock linux have the ATI drivers, the SDK, the openCL libraries, atitweak, amdoverdrivectl, phoenix and cgminer preinstalled and ready to run?
does stock linux provide updates to this software via an automatic patch system?
etc,etc.

If you have a point, please make it. Otherwise, this is just silly.

Inaba

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I'm not familiar with either. I know of LinuxCoin, but the last time I looked at it, it was a horrible mess. I don't know anything about Kano's process, got a link?

Let me ask another way - how does BAMT differ with all those features disabled, from a stock Linux install onto a USB?

lodcrappo

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Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 01:00:17 PM

I'm asking someone to detail what advantages there are, if all of the things I listed are disabled? What does BAMT bring to the table besides those things?

I'm not sure what the difficulty is. BAMT without the extra features would be equivalent to the end result of Kano's USB cgminer process or to LinuxCoin, except easier than doing Kano's process and more update to date than LinuxCoin. Unless you believe those other two projects bring nothing to the table?

Inaba

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Quote from: lodcrappo on March 02, 2012, 12:09:35 PM

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 11:57:19 AM

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What does this mean? Can you be specific?

Well, this for one thing:

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The 32 vs 64 bit thing has been done to death. For people that want 8 gpus per rig, bamt will not be an option.
However, given how little economic sense an 8 gpu rig makes, and therefore how rare they are, and with the impending switch to FPGA based mining, I just don't see this as a very big problem.

Little economic sense? 8 GPU rigs are the most economic sense for large scale operations, anything less makes poor economic sense. It might not make sense for small operations, but it's really the only option for effecient GPU farms. The argument for FPGA is compelling, but I don't think we're going to see GPUs die out in the future, and the FPGA argument actually bolsters the 8 GPU requirement, since GPUs will have to become more competitive in the face of FPGAs and block reward cuts, meaning even the small farms are going to have to increase effeciency. The only way to do that is to reduce power consumption and increase density, both of which basically require increasing GPU count per node.

None of the large scale miners I talk with are using 8 gpu rigs. Maybe you know something they don't. After an overwhelming majority of BAMT users reported that they do not use 8 gpu rigs and a very large farm (and some smaller users) indicated a need for 32 bit support, the choice was pretty easy.

Who are you talking to and what are they using? 32 bit support is ludicrous as a requirement. Whoever these large scale miners are that you've talked to clearly have no idea what they are doing and have too much money and not enough sense, that's about all I can say on that subject.

Quote from: Inaba on March 02, 2012, 11:57:19 AM

Additionally, by my statement, I meant that people are suggesting to disable the features of bamt, such as gpu monitoring, mgpu monitoring, use cgminer (and basically disable the monitoring features, etc...) and just use cgminer directly. But at that point, why even bother with bamt? I guess I'm asking, with all of that disabled, what does bamt offer that my regular install I have been using for a year not offer?

If the advantages of BAMT are not obvious and appealing, I strongly agree that one should not use BAMT.

I'm asking someone to detail what advantages there are, if all of the things I listed are disabled? What does BAMT bring to the table besides those things?

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