Ban appeal [Legendary] - 4 years passed

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Quote from: Eh Moo Nah on June 05, 2023, 01:15:22 PM

Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt on May 01, 2023, 07:18:28 AM

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If you are really sincere to not do the same thing and lift the ban of your Old Account maybe the best way is to Pay the Exact Amount that you have Received from the Campaigns you have Joined (with your 4 accounts which was mentioned on This Thread) or Maybe atleast send it to a Charity, I think this way the Higher ups can reconsider the Ban.

this is just only my Opinion.

That shouldn't change moderator's judgment of an account permanently banned for plagiarism, and I don't think it can make amends for it. The OP may be able to get consideration for being able to use his account again if he actually agrees to no longer have his signature space, and this is just one of the options I'm thinking of regarding banned accounts.

I read somewhere that mods offer that.

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Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt on May 01, 2023, 07:18:28 AM

Due to its decentralized nature, this forum provides a fair environment for all individuals. I anticipate that everyone will receive a second chance, including myself. Despite making several appeals, my account has remained banned for over 4 years.

Four years is an extensive period, and I request the moderators to consider my situation with empathy.

If you are really sincere to not do the same thing and lift the ban of your Old Account maybe the best way is to Pay the Exact Amount that you have Received from the Campaigns you have Joined (with your 4 accounts which was mentioned on This Thread) or Maybe atleast send it to a Charity, I think this way the Higher ups can reconsider the Ban.

this is just only my Opinion.

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Quote from: Woodie on June 05, 2023, 04:20:09 AM

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Besides having to let this account in means anybody who has waited a long time can get a second opinion as this will set precedent for everyone banned to get second opinion and get unbanned.

I think that here we should focus on what is the real problem, and that is the very justified suspicion that the BTT account in question is just one of a series of alt accounts that the OP owns or has owned, some of which have been permanently banned. Therefore, this is not about plagiarism exclusively, but the "problem" is much more layered, and if for 4 years no one felt that there was even the slightest doubt that the OP should get a second chance, then it will not happen in the next 4 years either.

Each case is a story in itself, and 99% of those who received a perma ban have long since forgotten about it and will not look for another chance.

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4 years is a longtime for anyone to get a clean sleeve , but with the kind of case which is almost irredeemable it doesn't look like you will be getting a second chance.

Besides having to let this account in means anybody who has waited a long time can get a second opinion as this will set precedent for everyone banned to get second opinion and get unbanned.

Off-topic: When making these appeals , shouldn't users be focused on what they have done for the forum besides getting sig paid and the alike to showcase the service rendered to the forum and their valuable standing here?

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Quote from: m2017 on May 07, 2023, 06:58:33 AM

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Have there been cases when, after the ban of a high-ranking account, a user has already risen to high ranks on a new account and restored his reputation?

If it will ever be known what are expectations for a new acc to not to be banned the same? It is called a ban evasion in the rules. So if you want to have a second account you should unban your banned one for first.

As we can see it is not about this case as there are probably many alternative accounts in here, but if to talk in general it is not allowed to start a new account (except to appeal for unbanning the banned one) after any of your accounts is banned.

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

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25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
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A similar topic with a request to unban an account after a few years has already come into my field of vision is not the first one, and I became curious. Have there ever been precedents with account recovery after violating forum rules? What gives hope to such users? Maybe some example with a specific forum member?

4 years of waiting is a long time. It would be more efficient to spend this time to start over and go through all the steps to becoming a legendary again, having a positive impact on the forum and restoring trust, as you say. Is not it so?

What matters is not what account and rank you have, but who you are in essence. If you try hard and have the necessary abilities, you will be able to go through all the stages of the ranked system in a new way. Although I can't even imagine how the community will react to this, knowing that your previous account was banned for violating the rules.

Have there been cases when, after the ban of a high-ranking account, a user has already risen to high ranks on a new account and restored his reputation?

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 07, 2023, 01:13:53 AM

I also question why he wants to return to bitcointalk now, with that specific account (I'm pretty sure he has others, likely still active). He's probably got plans to put it to use in some way, and my guess is that whatever he's got in mind will either lead to shitposts or some variety of shady activity. Not that the ban appeal process is a democratic one, but my vote is to let it stand as is.

There are no need to think all these negative things. The account must have a value for them. May be they want to feel proud that they have a legendary account, may be they want to join a good signature campaign to receive better payment, they may want to start a business, anything that could lead the account to a better one than it used to be.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 01, 2023, 10:43:34 AM

OP, you had plagiarism case. Many accounts were banned and many were receiving signature ban. But 4 years should be enough for salvation however honestly, I do not see you have a chance. You should accept it.

I don't remember the drama surrounding this member (not surprising since it was so long ago), but from what I've read here it looks like plagiarism might be only one rule that he broke, with the other major one being ban evasion. Can "salvation" be earned in four years? Certainly. Do I think OP has done anything to suggest that he's going to be any more honest than he was when he got permabanned? Nope.

I also question why he wants to return to bitcointalk now, with that specific account (I'm pretty sure he has others, likely still active). He's probably got plans to put it to use in some way, and my guess is that whatever he's got in mind will either lead to shitposts or some variety of shady activity. Not that the ban appeal process is a democratic one, but my vote is to let it stand as is.

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Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt on May 01, 2023, 07:18:28 AM

Due to its decentralized nature, this forum provides a fair environment for all individuals. I anticipate that everyone will receive a second chance, including myself. Despite making several appeals, my account has remained banned for over 4 years.

You are appealing to get your account banned as 4 years have passed since you did plagiarism, but i would not be surprise if you remain banned for another 100 years with your account remains to be banned. With plagiarism, don't expect that you will be unbanned after certain number of years. You ban was permanent so it will remain permanent.

If theymos started to unban people based upon the time period, then you know every other banned account would appeal to give them the second chance and it would not serve any good purpose to the forum.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on May 05, 2023, 03:16:04 PM

Why did you decide to wait that long on an account??.... for over four years??.., when the only option you've got left with is creating a new one?
I understand why some peeps feel too weary on creating a new account (especially those that existed before the inception of the merit system); Truth be told, most of 'em old OPs don't even have what it takes to build an account, NO!.... They were massively mobilized under the liverage, during the introduction of the merit system. C'monnnn,I'm not putting it on everyone, but alot haven't been able to have 50 merits as the Least for themselves aside the airdropped merits. Peeps like this be begging for years to get access through an old account again....
Edit: This is actually one of the reasons I don't joke with core legends like Dmr, LFC, Jay, fillipone, oeleo, Malek etc.... It ain't fuckin' easy to keep a standard for years without wavering..

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If the accusations in his other thread are true, OP might still have some bought/farmed accounts and this account only represents value to him. I suspect he's still active on the forum with another account and a VPN and it's simply worth it to ask for that legendary account. After all, it doesn't hurt, nor cost anything. If pleading works, there will be another account to enter a campaign with, or sell to someone unaware of the account's history.

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OP, I think you should read this ban appeal thread and hopefully learn something: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-regulushr-and-discussion-on-topic-good-for-the-forum-as-a-whole-5097792

His mistake was much smaller than yours, he sincerely apologized and received a lot of support from the local and global community. Even all that together was not enough for him to be forgiven right away, but he waited two years for the admin's answer.
Honestly, while comparing his case and yours, I don't see much hope in your case, but of course you are free to try your luck again after 4 years.
In addition, it seems to me that in the opening post you were not completely honest about the reasons for your permaban.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on May 05, 2023, 03:16:04 PM

Why did you decide to wait that long on an account??.... for over four years??.., when the only option you've got left with is creating a new one?
I understand why some peeps feel too weary on creating a new account (especially those that existed before the inception of the merit system); Truth be told, most of 'em old OPs don't even have what it takes to build an account, NO!.... They were massively mobilized under the liverage, during the introduction of the merit system. C'monnnn,I'm not putting it on everyone, but alot haven't been able to have 50 merits as the Least for themselves aside the airdropped merits. Peeps like this be begging for years to get access through an old account again....
Edit: This is actually one of the reasons I don't joke with core legends like Dmr, LFC, Jay, fillipone, oeleo, Malek etc.... It ain't fuckin' easy to keep a standard for years without wavering..

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Hope you are well aware that starting a new account @Sandra_hakeem is ban evasion so I don't think it is a piece of good advice. I don't also believe that the reason why members with high rank want thier accounts back after a ban is usually because they can't get merit. Yes, the main purpose of the forum is to learn about Bitcoin and contribute to the forum but it will be difficult to start as a beginner after enjoying the privileges enjoyed from a high-rank account. It will take an act of extraordinary courage to start as a newbie after being a Senior+ member.

@OP ensure you follow the rules of the forum as you appeal for the unbanning of your main account because committing more blunders might complicate your canvas of getting your desire.

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Why did you decide to wait that long on an account??.... for over four years??.., when the only option you've got left with is creating a new one?
I understand why some peeps feel too weary on creating a new account (especially those that existed before the inception of the merit system); Truth be told, most of 'em old OPs don't even have what it takes to build an account, NO!.... They were massively mobilized under the liverage, during the introduction of the merit system. C'monnnn,I'm not putting it on everyone, but alot haven't been able to have 50 merits as the Least for themselves aside the airdropped merits. Peeps like this be begging for years to get access through an old account again....
Edit: This is actually one of the reasons I don't joke with core legends like Dmr, LFC, Jay, fillipone, oeleo, Malek etc.... It ain't fuckin' easy to keep a standard for years without wavering..

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

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Quote from: light_warrior on May 03, 2023, 01:30:54 PM

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Mercy is a word for priests. It is their prerogative to negotiate with God and beg God for your forgiveness. But we are not in the church. One must take responsibility for one's actions. And as our esteemed global moderator hilariousandco said to another forum user:

Quote from: hilariousandco on August 17, 2018, 12:16:36 PM

It won't be unbanned. Create a new account and don't do the same thing again.

If he had done that right away, he would have already made himself a new Legendary account in 4 years.

P.S. This is not advice. It's a statement of fact Wink

Redemption is another word used by priests: "The action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil".

I'm not sure whether he is allowed to create a new account since I think I remember that a rule in the forum states that a ban for an account applies to all accounts of the same person. Although I may be wrong, because he has created a new alt and he is still writing from it.

But, continuing with the beginning of my post, in the case he was allowed, walking the road of ranking up a brand new account from zero could be interpreted by me as an effort worthy of redemption. It is just that, as you said, he hasn't even tried it: it takes way less work.

Anyway, good luck GreatOrchid, I think you've learned your lesson and I don't wish ill on anyone. Maybe I would have been a good priest, had it not been for the chastity thing.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on May 02, 2023, 07:45:54 AM

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I feel ashamed for my previous actions and have learned a valuable lesson. I assure you that I will not repeat the same mistake again.

My friend, please tell me, I became very curious, what were you thinking when you copied someone else's text and passed it off as your own in your posts? There must be some reason why you would knowingly violate forum rules by copying someone else's text? Or did you think that no one would notice?

Some time under the alcohol influence can make someone to make such mistake to copied someone else text without knowing that he or she has done something wrong at the moment. Not that am supporting what he did but if there is a way they can show him or her mercy in this mistakes, I believe he or she will not allow that thing to use he or she again.

Mercy is a word for priests. It is their prerogative to negotiate with God and beg God for your forgiveness. But we are not in the church. One must take responsibility for one's actions. And as our esteemed global moderator hilariousandco said to another forum user:

Quote from: hilariousandco on August 17, 2018, 12:16:36 PM

It won't be unbanned. Create a new account and don't do the same thing again.

If he had done that right away, he would have already made himself a new Legendary account in 4 years.

P.S. This is not advice. It's a statement of fact Wink

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Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt on May 01, 2023, 07:18:28 AM

Due to its decentralized nature, this forum provides a fair environment for all individuals. I anticipate that everyone will receive a second chance, including myself. Despite making several appeals, my account has remained banned for over 4 years.

Four years is not four days and i understand what you would have been feeling to this time concerning your account especially when you had invested so much in it, but getting unbanned is not my the numbers of appeal made, or your desire and desperation towards getting unbanned, the forum moderator decides what you're upto that lead to your ban, the level of your offence and the role you might have played to the forum in your contributions, after these had been taken into consideration, they decided wether to unban or leave it permanently banned, most people permanently banned have lower chances of getting unbanned except if it's a temporary one.

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Quote from: Zanab247 on May 02, 2023, 07:45:54 AM

Some time under the alcohol influence can make someone to make such mistake to copied someone else text without knowing that he or she has done something wrong at the moment. Not that am supporting what he did but if there is a way they can show him or her mercy in this mistakes, I believe he or she will not allow that thing to use he or she again.

Under the influence of alcohol?

More than once?

As if plagiarism is not enough, there are more offences highlighted which include ban evasion, account farming/cheating on bounties plus a possible change of hands of the account

Check this thread and see why OP might not have a second chance

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Quote from: light_warrior

Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt

I feel ashamed for my previous actions and have learned a valuable lesson. I assure you that I will not repeat the same mistake again.

My friend, please tell me, I became very curious, what were you thinking when you copied someone else's text and passed it off as your own in your posts? There must be some reason why you would knowingly violate forum rules by copying someone else's text? Or did you think that no one would notice?

Some time under the alcohol influence can make someone to make such mistake to copied someone else text without knowing that he or she has done something wrong at the moment. Not that am supporting what he did but if there is a way they can show him or her mercy in this mistakes, I believe he or she will not allow that thing to use he or she again.

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4 years is enough time to get over it. There has been very few cases of bans getting overturned that it makes it very improbable that yours would be, especially considering the circumstances leading to it

I'll vote for more leniency in the handling of banned users and the finality of their absence from the forum, a four or five year ban seems like deterrent enough and also leaves a small window to allow such users back into the forum after a while, if they are still interested at the time.
But my vote does not change the system.

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Quote from: GreatOrchid_alt on May 01, 2023, 07:18:28 AM

Due to its decentralized nature, this forum provides a fair environment for all individuals.

There is nothing decentralized with Bitcointalk forum, and there is no blockchain voting procedure that would remove ban from your profile.
If after 4 years you didn't receive a positive answer from theymos don't expect to get it any time soon.

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