Topic: Ban evasion by scammy DT member - please permaban account - case #1 (Read 1541 times)

Oh yes your men are precious, ours are not worthless?
90 if you call your partners. or give 40+ next month

The good news is that LTU_btc got 10 more merits for that post after wolwoo brought it up here so it's been a positive impact albeit not intended.

I will continue to send merit in big batches to posters who are steady merit earners and need a boost for the next rank. Personally I don't care about ranks at all but some people do and if they are good posters I consider it my obligation to help them out, especially if our paths don't often meet for me to merit many of their individual posts.

What this has to do with the ban evading sockpuppets - remains a mystery to me.


I can send 50 max but thanks for pointing that out, much appreciated.

yoo bravo

you lick well
maybe they give you 90 merit, they make you a hero you deserve(!) it now

Was trying to get a hang of this drama, Came across @wolwoo arguing over a 50 merited post with Suchmoon raising question on his giving LTU_btc 50 merits.


This is what LTU_btc wrote:

There have been multiple instances where lot of users go without merit because their posts aren't seen by too many. LTU_btc is a fairly idenitifiable member because of the frequency of his posts. He frequently used to post in beginner sections which means he was helping out newbies. He missed being legendary compared to his peers by a pretty small margin. Keep in mind that getting legendary status was a random event above near-about 700 activity.
I think suchmoon saw that post and judged from his post quality that he was probably short changed when it came to becoming legendary. Merit sources who have huge quotas often find it difficult to spread it to all the users they would consider worthy. I think Suchmoon did it as a simple shortcut. Trying to find 10 merit-worthy posts from the thousands would be time consuming.

If he is a fairly known member, maybe he decided to grant him those merits. This is a subjective judgement that is understandable. Maybe consider LTU_btc lucky that suchmoon's eyes fell on that post. I won't say it is completely free from bias but it is what it is. Even TMAN proposed to offer a particular member 50 merits when he receives his refill. These are open instances of people knowing each other through the forum, not of people being relatives and then benefiting each other on the forum.

Your meriting a user 50 posts, and then those posts getting deleted isn't really all that convincing. This would be considered pretty shady for someone who is a DT1. Also, the fact that you accepted that those were people you knew makes it pretty bad.

Imagine if I am a merit source. If i made it a business to tell my family and friends to join and then merited their posts to up-rank them so that we could all earn more of "tokens", then that would be a pretty shitty thing to do.

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I don't know what you think Sathoshi wanted this forum for. What we do know is that there is a certain bit of idealism in that approach. There are elements of being upright, fair and transparent. Not doing things like copying articles and then calling it "Ohh, but its not a big deal, right?" Things that may be considered street-smart don't really make the cut when judged against uprightness.

Maybe if you or these other people actually owned up to these shortcomings and mistakes rather than make excuses, there wouldn't be a need for this endless defense and excuses of racism/ national insults (LOL, seriously??).

Don't make it about the country. From what I've heard about Turkey, its a nice country. This girl I know wanted me to watch this show that had main characters Hayat, Murat. Sweet, romantic stuff. I didn't watch past 3-4 episodes but the songs are good.

So you have nothing to say on the topic of goraset's ban evasion but you'll keep posting anyway? Gotcha.

Good job trying to heed yahoo62278's advice by posting a couple of paragraphs although that's probably not quite what he had in mind.

marlboroza spoke about cryptotalk, so I replied.
Why are you in the position of prosecutor questioning everything. you're the one who talks to the "Turks".

in the forum merit received messages are permanent, "delete merit from deleted messages" and open your request to @theymos. Why are you telling me? did I write the rules? You try to justify yourself by prolonging and demagoguery.

I understand you, this is a "busy shop", and you want to keep your position. you are a useful member but for some
You put a system in place and you don't want it to fail. You don't want someone like me who interrogates and opposes what you say. you have to be superior and you have to show it to everyone but you can't
You're really lucky because my English is weak or I'd knock you out with my words ...

I respect my campaign manager and leave my words here.
please do not give right to answer

You have 15 replies out of 42 in this thread which is roughly 33% of the replies in this thread.

To top it off, most of them are 1 liner trash. I'm ok with a user defending themself but this subject isn't even about you, yet you feel compelled to being the main topic for some reason?

Just because you type 2 words and go down a line then type 2 more words and repeat, doesn't make it not 1 liner trash.

9 shit posts 6 ok replies. Grow thicker skin man and move on unless defending yourself. This topic has nothing to do with you, let the person it's about defend themself.

Report this merit abuse to theymos then. Now can we get back on topic? Do you have the post that goraset merited? It's a very much yes/no question. Let's see how valuable it was.


I take it as a "no" regarding on-topic then. Luckily for you not-yobit pays quickly so you already got your 5 paid posts in and you won't suffer financial consequences once this gets cleaned up.

yes "cryptotalk" right!
and upper limit 5
I replied because he blamed it.

Its not yobit, its Cryptotalk for one. It also does not REQUIRE anything. You can be paid for 5 posts per day, that does not mean you have to do 5.

Why are you the 1 speaking up for this fella and not he himself? Rules state if 1 account is banned, go away forever. If he has an alt banned, he needs to be the bigger person and walk away. Pretty simple.

Have a precedent in the judiciary, ask him to look at your own behavior when asking someone else

maybe it was a very valuable message, but yours is worthless and we all see it.

I didn't ask anything. Marlboroza asked to see the post that got 50 merits from goraset because the post is now deleted. Have you provided the post? Please do that. That would be on topic here. Instead you found a post that got 50 merits from me. That's off topic regardless of how you feel about it.

Here is the link of the deleted post that goraset sent merit to: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2932403

hahahaha do you think everyone is like yourself?
You asked for the account of 50 merits
I asked too


You will do anything not to lose your "strong" position here!

but everyone sees and knows everything.

It's definitely somewhere in that post, keep reading and don't post again until you figure it out.

This has nothing to do with this thread so in addition to your fallacious reasoning you're also breaking forum rules with your off topic posts even after being explicitly asked by the OP to stop doing that.

Where is 50 merit quality?


if you thirst.....

Fair enough. You have exceeded your daily post quota so see you tomorrow then.

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

If you write it properly, I will take care of it.
avoid accusations that do not give you the right to answer.

I win, pay up.

Perhaps you should go to thread where someone accused you of being someone's alt account to talk about accusation about being someone's alt account.

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.

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I just figured that I missed something in this post:
Cousin/friend has the same voice as goraset?

you may not have a alt account (maybe) they know (marlboroza and timelord)
I have been accused of a lot of

You're talking about sending it to your "friend and cousin", you're kidding for turkish "friends"
then you send 50 merits to an ordinary message

there is also no difference between sending pieces and sending them all at once

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon

Great analogy! 

What position? Everyone sends 50 merits to their cousin? Is LTU_btc my alt?

Try spending more than 30 seconds on your next post and figure out an excuse for goraset without resorting to fallacies. I bet you can't do it.

"Sending merits to a cousin and a friend is not forbidden"

Just saving our Turkish friends some time here so that they don't have to type that excuse.

So scammer and liar writes text wall and some users take that as a proof that they are telling the truth
...something mday used to say.
So you didn't read thread? They did not admit anything and it was more than one case of stealing.

Side note: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52907237. No merit for 3 high-level connected accounts(cheating, plagiarism, ban) ?

Double standards!  


Oh, why bothering with anything here, smart person once said:

Source: possibly KWH

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source: bpip.org

I can't find threads and 2 posts worth 50 + 10 merits:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2002907
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2932403

Does anyone know why are threads removed and 2 posts worth many merits disappeared? I would like to read post worth 50 merits, it must be great post!

Which part of that sounds like an apology?

Or is this the apology?


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

Or did he apologize (for something he definitely didn't do) at some point later somewhere else, where the affected parties can't see it perhaps?

very nice @Vispilio 
I hope @goraset will remain and benefit from your friendship, knowledge and experience.

I haven't merit, sorry bro
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wolwoos-merit-source-desire-5205906 

ok there are a few things going on in this situation which I believe the mods and admin should take into consideration before passing judgement:

1) goraset (he admitted this himself) did copy paste an entry on medium website for a bounty submission in the past (circa 2017), which happened outside of this forum, for this he got a neg rating from multiple members already, and this is the primary reason for the ongoing beef some members including Marlboroza have with him for several years..
He apologized for this infraction, said he was new to bounties at the time; what I note from that encounter is that he gave me some examples of many members back in those times, using copy pasted / plagiarized entries for bounty articles, and yet to his knowledge he was the only one who got a neg rating for an identical bounty submission... (I think the reasoning was that his own entries were submitted as links by other people and they got paid, so he had to resort to same in cutthroat competition of 2017 bounty environment)...

I'm just pointing all these out for 1 time as context because lack of interest and defense by some Turkish members on these incessant dramas should not be interpreted as a tacit admission to anything...  

2) the_doctor account: it's the first I ever heard of this account, but goraset recently gave a sincere explanation about this in Turkish which some members have already translated in part, take it for what it's worth.

3) All in all goraset strikes me as an intelligent rational human being with diverse and net positive contributions to the forum. He has made a mistake in the past, which he paid for by being blacklisted from bounties for 2-3 years (and counting). The fact remains that especially during bull runs, the bounties become extremely significant income sources in many parts of the developing world. It's not so outlandish and bizarre as some might think, that in these cases some knowledgeable members invite their brothers, cousins, close friends, wives and girlfriends   to open new accounts and partake from the financial potential presented by the crypto space.

If later one of these side / alt / indirectly related accounts or whatever you call it makes a dire mistake and gets banned, should you go hunting the original account owner, who introduced all these people into the world of crypto currencies, and make him suffer as well ?..

This seems to be the most likely scenario in goraset's case, although it's not my style to pursue these details like an obsessed detective, so it's up to the staff & admin to decide naturally.


All the Best

for me the case is closed

If 2 Turks are involved in ban evasion do you suggest marlboroza should expose only one of them? Which one?

Or perhaps instead of shooting at the messenger you could care more about the integrity of the Turkish DT members. You're DT1, might want to start acting like one. Now that you have finally learned (I hope) that ban evasion is not allowed you can educate others on your board about it. Just a suggestion, without any racial prejudice.

1 year ago, the subject "new" as if it presents the search for intent.
If you open a title about 2 Turks in 1 day, I'll look for intention in this.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-organized-ethnic-hatred-against-the-turkish-section-timelord2067-5181723  >>

And ban evasion is forbidden, as you've been told many times. Stop inventing your own rules and try to learn something. If you're having problems understanding English that's not racism and not an attack on your nation.

don't provoke!
goraset is a good person to me, I don't care what you think!
10th anniversary contest, DT1 memberships, source of merit...
You're just jealous! You melting!
these places were satoshi's legacy for you! you lose, humanity will win

I also say again: don't portray yourself as the king of these places because you are not!

It is always cool story. More accounts - more family members, sometimes pets are included.

It depends on admin. Are you defending scammer again?

So once it's forbidden, will it be a lifetime ban? Like burning coins? no return?

It's not about multiple accounts, it's about being banned.  When one of your accounts is banned, you as an individual are banned from using the forum.

"multi not forbidden"  r u understand?


"Multiple Membership Usage
There are no restrictions on the use of multiple memberships in the forum. On the contrary, if you feel more comfortable expressing yourself, you are encouraged to open a new account and write it independently from your main account. "

tl;dr:


Cool story.

Here you go
I'm tired of translating,
some of you

Nice finds there Yoshie.

OP: which is the "Banned" account Your thread says "Ban Evasion", but I'm a little unclear which account is banned?

*edit*

Never mind: Found it: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=the_doctor (Time for coffee)

Your finding is very good, but please, lets keep this thread for goraset's accounts, unless there is solid connection between Dontcry. and goraset. Also, don't forget to read edited post number 3.

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Twilight zone  

Do you really want to beat him up.

Let's see how many Alt accounts he has.

ETH address used by: Dontcry, very clearly @Dontcry has a backup account.

Proof:


http://archive.is/bS5kB

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Accounts Connected:

1. KenannT
2. heleloy06

Proof:


http://archive.is/d8ECI

Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52395564

@Dontcry and @goraset.
Using the same Twitter account, as you found in post 2.


http://archive.is/TpyEC


http://archive.is/1r7FO

There is also possibility that they are alt accounts, but I won't take this as solid proof, just observing things...
It is strange that both users misspelled "cripto", one for account and one for social networks, but it is not really a evidence. I didn't check merit transaction yet because it is almost never proof of anything, but sometimes it helps to connect some accounts, if not directly "A with B with C with D" then "A with B" and "C with D".
Be my guest lol

There's a probability that he just copy-pasted the recent post above him, anyways that is a banned user.

How about this user criptoturk, seems he has past merit transaction between the two above, probably merit abuse. See the reference of his bpip information: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=criptoturk

I'll edit this reply if I found something on my investigation, hopes this isn't a way meddling with your investigation, just want to help though.

Reserved

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Connected account: criptoturk: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/criptoturk-1252009

Account goraset posted this (he posted many videos):

Following links, criptoturk (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8W-SDrmp-IwggkAU7f4Sw) is account goraset's channel and ICO_World is account criptoturk's channel.

Both have the same video stile at the beginning of videos, some spinning text and similar music, but, this is much better connection between them:

Video on account criptoturk's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2WivRUZx6g
Video on account goraset's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNuifgfWQVk

Mr. Admin Sir, please watch both videos and please LISTEN! It is the same person speaking on both videos  

Reserved in case there is more accounts

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Not sure if Dontcry. just copy/pasted previous post, but I'll drop it here anyway (quotes redacted):



Surprise surprise, Dontcry. is also banned (I forget to mention that all 3 users can be found in Turkish local, so there must be something...).

Account the_doctor https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thedoctor-512705
Account goraset https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/goraset-158678
Connection via twitter account: https://twitter.com/the_doctor18

Account the_doctor joined campaigns using this twitter:


Oh, account goraset joined campaign just under the account the_doctor:



The_doctor used this twitter here:


account goraset used the same twitter here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14745611 (it is quoted but message from goraset surprisingly magically disappeared!)

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TL,DR:

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PS 2

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/ebe405615e5d54ce/addresses and addresses which are part of that wallet:


Goraset:

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Alt account: criptoturk

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Source for banned account: https://bpip.org/