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Topic: [Flag] Organized Ethnic Hatred against the Turkish Section, ~Timelord2067 (Read 2255 times)

legendary
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Flag against Timelord2067 here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=702
(Update: flag is now withdrawn purely based on the procedural objections raised by many valuable members through this thread & elsewhere).


because of the frivolous attitudes, this flag is invalid.

 my flag support and the negative turst attached i am withdrawing.

The timelord was sufficiently disclosed.
legendary
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This is just a signature spammer-shitposter that has not read the last couple of posts of Chipmixer's thread and left a trash post. He gave me neg feedback when I asked where to write a complaint about him.

Since when began to believe shitposters? What kind of racism? Look what he writes: I supposedly asked for the Chipmixer campaign, they didn’t take me and so I am angree. You better calculate how much he has already earned on this incident, because YObit pays for all this nonsense.
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1657
Unlike you, I don't live on this forum
Seems like ad hominem personam type of argument, don't you think so?

Indeed, the "grand inquisitor" needs to taste a bit of her own medicine, as Ivan Karamazov would say  Wink wouldn't you agree ?

Special note to my Russian fans watching these debates as I'm certain you are Grin : I have much respect for the Russian people, and the trust feedback I left for Vadi2323 has absolute 0 to do with his personality / character or opinions.

He lied about me to cause financial harm, I highly distrust people like that, in general and especially in business,
I'm 100%+ certain that's the same in Russia as anywhere else.

All the Best
legendary
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Unlike you, I don't live on this forum
Seems like ad hominem personam type of argument, don't you think so?
legendary
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Great! I'm glad I helped you find your life's goal. Don't forget to point out my vile racism in whatever complaint you're gonna cook up.

Unlike you, I don't live on this forum and only react to these petty DT dramas when they are directly threatening my financial proclivity on BTT,

so false verdict on your part again, as per usual, dear Bitcointalk nanny...
legendary
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https://bpip.org
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Great! I'm glad I helped you find your life's goal. Don't forget to point out my vile racism in whatever complaint you're gonna cook up.
legendary
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Merit: 1657
someone is extremely untrustworthy for me and should not be taken seriously in business, if he tries to interfere with someone's financial gains through lies and slander because of personal spite and hurt feelings. Now if you are satisfied in your endless inquiries detective, please proceed to remove your exclusion as per usual  Wink.

You don't need to worry about that, it's permanent this time. You can proceed to tag everyone who looks at you crooked or says a bad word about you, I don't have to care anymore.

Duly noted  Smiley, I have far better ideas about how to make this forum a more fair and decentralized place.

In fact, I believe theymos might discover great benefits in redistributing most of your 1000+ sMerit / month allocation to some of the more intellectual members who have completely checked out of the trust system simply because they have no stake in it. I see many excellent members with brilliant posts everywhere on this forum, and yet they are not participating at all in these Meta & Reputation discussions...

I understand you might be probably the most proactive member on BTT, but for a more inclusive and robust system, I believe it will be in the interests of everyone if the sMerit allocation at least gets a bit more standardized and / or more spread out among a certain number of qualified members. And then perhaps you won't feel so strongly as the self appointed nanny of the forum anymore...

The current massive asymmetry in sMerit distribution is unnaturally skewing almost every Trust and meritocracy debate in this forum...
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
someone is extremely untrustworthy for me and should not be taken seriously in business, if he tries to interfere with someone's financial gains through lies and slander because of personal spite and hurt feelings. Now if you are satisfied in your endless inquiries detective, please proceed to remove your exclusion as per usual  Wink.

You don't need to worry about that, it's permanent this time. You can proceed to tag everyone who looks at you crooked or says a bad word about you, I don't have to care anymore.
legendary
Activity: 2128
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It means that you shouldn't neg-trust someone for calling you a Pakistani if you're taking this DT thing seriously.

Let's test it out, think of some despicable (in your opinion) nation and call me that. Will I (a) neg-trust and flag you up the wazoo, or (2) call you a moron and be done with it?

I didn't know we were obligated to explain to you the specifics of every trust decision, but I'll oblige since you are asking so nicely instead of immediately putting me to your exclusion list, oh wait you just did that again a couple hours ago  Grin

what a fantastic decentralized way to realize theymos' trust vision  Smiley...

in any case he got a neg rating for falsely complaining about me to yahoo because none of my messages were spam or "shitposts" as he calls it, he did it out of spite for 1) getting rejected on the chipmixer campaign
2) losing an argument and looking bad on the chipmixer thread

someone is extremely untrustworthy for me and should not be taken seriously in business, if he tries to interfere with someone else's financial gains through lies and slander because of personal spite and hurt feelings. Now if you are satisfied in your endless inquiries detective, please proceed to remove your exclusion as per usual  Wink.

Take care.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
this must be the granddaddy of all off-topic remarks, but even the mods will think twice going against the sMerit queen  Grin,

his first reaction was to call me a "Pakistani", even guys actually from Pakistan called him out on it, all of these posts are deleted now...

Vadi guy still thinks I'm from Pakistan because apparently I'm wearing a signature, what does that even mean suchmoon, are you also from Pakistan  Wink ?.

It means that you shouldn't neg-trust someone for calling you a Pakistani if you're taking this DT thing seriously.

Let's test it out, think of some despicable (in your opinion) nation and call me that. Will I (a) neg-trust and flag you up the wazoo, or (2) call you a moron and be done with it?
legendary
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Vadi2323 is another "racist" getting a neg-trust treatment from our DT1 friend Vispilio:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=982288



Granted Vadi2323 is quite a troll but this is uncalled for.

this must be the granddaddy of all off-topic remarks, but even the mods will think twice going against the sMerit queen  Grin,

his first reaction was to call me a "Pakistani", even guys actually from Pakistan called him out on it, all of these posts are deleted now...

Vadi guy still thinks I'm from Pakistan because apparently I'm wearing a signature, what does that even mean suchmoon, are you also from Pakistan  Wink ?.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Vadi2323 is another "racist" getting a neg-trust treatment from our DT1 friend Vispilio:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=982288

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Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

Granted Vadi2323 is quite a troll but this is uncalled for.
legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
Let me preface this by that I have a lot of Turkish friends and customers.

My dislike and distrust of Timelord2067  is also reasonably well known.

But I have to disagree with reason given for the flag.

I think there is a mis-understanding over the purpose of the flags.
Theymos was quite clear that flags should relate to trade related issues only.

It's the end of Trust Tags Relate to Opinion Conflicts
You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.

Abuse on Flags should be avoided
Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed.

The point is to damage the person's forum existence in order to deter future scamming. This is a very serious action which should have a very high bar.
As I mentioned in the flags topic, there are three very separate scopes for trust which need to be kept separate. For scammer flags, the point is to damage the person's forum existence in order to deter future scamming. This is a very serious action which should have a very high bar. Because it's so serious, I only want actual agreements considered here. In legal systems, there's additionally such a thing as tort law and statutory law, but the forum is very far from having the kind of cohesive legal system which could handle such things in a halfway-reasonable way. The only thing that approaches clear-cut scamming is violation of an agreement. If non-contractual offenses are allowed in the scammer-flag space, then we're going to get factions of forum users constantly fighting each other, which is exactly what I'm trying to stop. I'm sick and tired of big escalations and never-ending feuds over highly-subjective and/or relatively minor things.

For non-agreement issues, use a newbie-warning flag and give them a negative trust rating. These actions are in the different scopes of warning newbies or informing other users of your opinions, which have less severe consequences and therefore lower bars.

I hate having to "defend" BSV and BCH, which were created with deception in mind, are technologically bankrupt, and are run by huge assholes, but you can't say that their supporters broke a contract with you when they didn't. Give them a newbie-warning flag if you want, but not a contract-violation flag unless they actually broke a contract with you. (Note that you might have a case for breach of implied contract if you were actually tricked into buying one of these coins instead of BTC.)



Flags
However repugnant you find someones opinion - flags should not be used for non trading issues.

Trust ratings
Trust ratings (also referred to as tags) - positive, neutral and negative trust is more flexible as to what it covers.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49306851

Trust list
Likewise your trust list can be used to indicate which people you distrust by adding a ~ before their names.

You can find your trust list here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust



legendary
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Meh.
Keep your head up Timelord, if you'd go through life without encountering haters you would be doing something wrong. Fuck this noise and look forward Smiley.
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
Timelord2067: "TECSHARE has made a very thinly veiled threat to stalk me unless I remove my *neutral* trust/feedback post (last paragraph and his "PS") in this now archived post:

Should be negative, not neutral.  :/

Cool story insane canukistani stalker. Didn't you literally just get done lecturing me about ethics?
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Timelord2067: "TECSHARE has made a very thinly veiled threat to stalk me unless I remove my *neutral* trust/feedback post (last paragraph and his "PS") in this now archived post:

Should be negative, not neutral.  :/
legendary
Activity: 3318
Merit: 2008
First Exclusion Ever
and again...


Timelord2067: "TECSHARE has made a very thinly veiled threat to stalk me unless I remove my *neutral* trust/feedback post (last paragraph and his "PS") in this now archived post:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190908033629/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.msg52379325 "

Yes, everyone knows threats are often proceeded by "please". Hey cupcake, you are the one who suggested I was responsible for guiding you. You literally suggested I should have been monitoring you. Can you make up your mind what you want or do you just spew words meaninglessly? Have a discussion with me like an adult in the thread instead of shitting up my trust page with your spazz out little boy.
legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
This is not what these flags are for. You are free to leave ratings on his profile if you insist, but this is also frowned upon unless the intent is to prevent fraud. This has nothing to do with fraud and is just retribution for a disagreement, righteous or otherwise. You can not use flags like this because it devalues the entire rating system. This is an invalid flag that reflects more poorly on its creator than its target.

Funny I don't recall you (or anyone for that matter) making this beautifully virtuous and enlightened comment when Timelord2067 just the other day opened not 1 but 7 abusive flags that "devalue the entire rating system"

How would you suggest I should respond, when there is blatantly obvious double standards and highly selective treatment going on, to the complete detriment of the local section participants of the forum, who have not, as of yet (and also because of lack of interest for the incessant dramas) been very active in meta & reputation...

I had no knowledge of these flags. Upon review they are also invalid, so I have opposed all of them except for one which seems to be a valid application regardless if it is correct or not. You are both wrong. Timelord2067 is known to be overzealous with his use of the trust system, as a result he is heavily excluded. Unless you drop this flag and stop using the flag system this way, you are destined to join him. Unfortunately drama is an indivisible part of managing the trust system here and it is something you will have to learn to deal with. In the future I would suggest simply starting a thread over the issue and discussing your complaints publicly rather than jumping right to abusing the trust system. If you can argue your point, and you are correct in your assertions, people will generally support you.


EDIT (Re: Vispilio) : I see that you have now withdrawn your flag. Thank you for being reasonable. This is the kind of behavior that gets you more respect from the community when you demonstrate your willingness to cooperate and follow the terms of the system in place. Timelord2067 is known to go too far, and as a result his reputation suffers, there is no reason to join him.

EDIT #2 (Re: Timelord2067 ) : I just noticed this on my trust ratings page -

Timelord2067: "Users, such as your good self, sit back and say nothing when you could in fact have stepped up to the crease/plate and guided my posts. Then, far too late, want to lecture from on high."

This is why no one ever steps up to say shit, because of people like you with the mentality of children who pout when they are told they are wrong and lash out. I am not your babysitter. I have no obligation to look after you or anyone else here. When I have free time I review some of these posts.

Sit back? Really? I have been one of the most, if not the most vocal long time opponent of trust system abuse on this forum to the point of paying continual personal costs in the form of being stalked and abused by the people I have called attention to for their abuse.

I learned a long time ago that your ratings were unreliable and frankly just mostly ignore them. I was satisfied to mind my own business since it seems to be motivated from genuine overzealous mistakes and not a need to abuse other users for retribution, however I think you are changing my mind. Maybe I will decide to be more active in monitoring your activities if that is really what you want. Is that what you want sweet summer child?

P.S. Please just get rid of that childish retaliatory rating. You have every right to leave it if you insist on acting like a child, just don't be surprised when you get treated like a child.
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Racism is a bad business.
I agree with you.
So are accusations like
Let's not waste any more time with these dramas.

+1
legendary
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Be A Hope
Racism is a bad business. If you have doubts about people talk to them before. It's not good to slander them. I think that's understood. Let's not waste any more time with these dramas. Thank you to everyone.

I deleted support. I think @Timer he realized that he had made a mistake.
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