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Quote from: tiCeR on October 02, 2023, 11:57:42 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 02, 2023, 01:20:25 AM

Although a casino has the right to choose which client they want and which client they don't want, I think they're mostly happy that clients are playing. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. If these high rollers win, of course the casino will not be happy. But these casinos know that luck doesn't linger. They know that sooner or later, this luck will expire and its their turn to make money. House edge always prevails in the end.

OP and everyone, at the end of the article, it says "Contrary to rumours, he is not actually prohibited from visiting any of the city’s popular areas; rather, he simply encounters significant roadblocks from some locations that wish to keep him out." Dana White clarified that “It’s not that I’m banned from casinos, it’s just that they don’t want me to play there.”

He's just given a certain limit. He's not banned.

Yes but they do offer high roller gaming in the first place, which shouldn't surprise them that high rollers also come to them.

But think about the interesting complexity here: on the one hand they want players to know that their casino is provably fair and that there are huge payouts possible because those payouts get very likely publicly known. Maybe not necessarily who won it, but that someone won it, which then again is good advertisement for them. On the other hand if they restrict or ban players who won big time, how will other high rollers react to that? They have reason to believe that they get banned as well. Although I assume that in any case they pay the player the money. But if those machines are provably fair, I don't fully understand why a casino would ban a high roller. He was lucky and that was part of their calculation.

Casinos do what they can to distinguish from a gambler that just got lucky and won big and a professional gambler, on the first case they will do what they can to keep that gambler as their customer, as given enough time they will recover their money, this is the comp system that you see at regular casinos and it is why you are offered free drinks, food or even a hotel room in order for you to keep gambling with them, however if a casino identifies you as a professional gambler then you will get banned, as you represent a loss of money for casinos in general.

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Quote from: tiCeR on October 02, 2023, 11:57:42 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 02, 2023, 01:20:25 AM

Although a casino has the right to choose which client they want and which client they don't want, I think they're mostly happy that clients are playing. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. If these high rollers win, of course the casino will not be happy. But these casinos know that luck doesn't linger. They know that sooner or later, this luck will expire and its their turn to make money. House edge always prevails in the end.

OP and everyone, at the end of the article, it says "Contrary to rumours, he is not actually prohibited from visiting any of the city’s popular areas; rather, he simply encounters significant roadblocks from some locations that wish to keep him out." Dana White clarified that “It’s not that I’m banned from casinos, it’s just that they don’t want me to play there.”

He's just given a certain limit. He's not banned.

Yes but they do offer high roller gaming in the first place, which shouldn't surprise them that high rollers also come to them.

But think about the interesting complexity here: on the one hand they want players to know that their casino is provably fair and that there are huge payouts possible because those payouts get very likely publicly known. Maybe not necessarily who won it, but that someone won it, which then again is good advertisement for them. On the other hand if they restrict or ban players who won big time, how will other high rollers react to that? They have reason to believe that they get banned as well. Although I assume that in any case they pay the player the money. But if those machines are provably fair, I don't fully understand why a casino would ban a high roller. He was lucky and that was part of their calculation.

They offer high roller gaming of course. They offer all kinds of VIP treatments and privileges. That doesn't just come in an exclusive table, lower house edge, high maximum, etc. This also come even in non-gambling related perks like complementary presidential suites, wine, meals, etc. But all of this is with the assumption that the casino would earn from them because the rule is that the house always prevails.

The house edge always wins in the end. But when luck comes into play and these high rollers are racking up millions, that's the time the casino would start to worry a little and do certain things to somehow control the lucky gambler. Limiting bets is one of them. The expectation is that these rich people are just throwing money away for having nothing else to do with their time and riches. But sometimes luck changes things.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 02, 2023, 01:20:25 AM

Although a casino has the right to choose which client they want and which client they don't want, I think they're mostly happy that clients are playing. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. If these high rollers win, of course the casino will not be happy. But these casinos know that luck doesn't linger. They know that sooner or later, this luck will expire and its their turn to make money. House edge always prevails in the end.

OP and everyone, at the end of the article, it says "Contrary to rumours, he is not actually prohibited from visiting any of the city’s popular areas; rather, he simply encounters significant roadblocks from some locations that wish to keep him out." Dana White clarified that “It’s not that I’m banned from casinos, it’s just that they don’t want me to play there.”

He's just given a certain limit. He's not banned.

Yes but they do offer high roller gaming in the first place, which shouldn't surprise them that high rollers also come to them.

But think about the interesting complexity here: on the one hand they want players to know that their casino is provably fair and that there are huge payouts possible because those payouts get very likely publicly known. Maybe not necessarily who won it, but that someone won it, which then again is good advertisement for them. On the other hand if they restrict or ban players who won big time, how will other high rollers react to that? They have reason to believe that they get banned as well. Although I assume that in any case they pay the player the money. But if those machines are provably fair, I don't fully understand why a casino would ban a high roller. He was lucky and that was part of their calculation.

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Although a casino has the right to choose which client they want and which client they don't want, I think they're mostly happy that clients are playing. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. If these high rollers win, of course the casino will not be happy. But these casinos know that luck doesn't linger. They know that sooner or later, this luck will expire and its their turn to make money. House edge always prevails in the end.

OP and everyone, at the end of the article, it says "Contrary to rumours, he is not actually prohibited from visiting any of the city’s popular areas; rather, he simply encounters significant roadblocks from some locations that wish to keep him out." Dana White clarified that “It’s not that I’m banned from casinos, it’s just that they don’t want me to play there.”

He's just given a certain limit. He's not banned.

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Quote from: Wapfika on October 01, 2023, 09:02:03 AM

The problem is most of the casino is connected to each other so they share information about certain customers that gives them a hard time then later on him too. The person we are talking about here is a high roller with a very good analysis skills which means this person is a threat to casino industry.

Not only physical casino but also online casino is banning user or limiting their bets if they are winning too much. No business will allow someone to continuously drain their bankroll while they have a lot of customers contributing to the profit which they can focus on.

Yes, that information will be shared with other casinos to be careful of people with such high luck. Every casino owner will protect his business and limit the bets of people who usually win a lot of money. And if casinos can limit those people's bets, they can still gain an advantage over other gamblers who will lose more often.

Well, it's okay for people who are limited in their gambling and it might be an opportunity for that person to reduce their gambling activities. Think of it as a way to prevent a gambling addiction that the person may already have.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 01, 2023, 03:29:59 PM

I don't think that the casinos are going to go bankrupt though, they just want to not lose money that's it. Dana is really a dog at every thing he does and very lucky as well. However, Dana can still continue to other casinos if I'm not mistaken and then continue his gambling activity.

Yes, bankruptcy is not an issue as these mentioned casinos are well-known and big.

Dana won't choose to play there if, in the first place, these casinos are not popular and top-rated. He can actually contest the verdict of these casinos but why should he? Waste of time indeed. There are lots of casinos he can choose from and he's always welcome there.

Having Dana as one of the whales of that casino is a big marketing too and can lure more whales on that casino.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 30, 2023, 10:12:51 AM

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.

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He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits. The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Very normal approach on which business something like this doesnt really like into those people who do constantly win or have that huge winning gambling profit and as a business-owner then you would really be definitely
trying to get rid of that person no matter how influential or popular you are on which you would really be still be banned no matter what. They are running a business and it would really be just that a common impression that if a certain gambler that constantly wins or making huge revenue impact then its a normal thing to be done or approach that they would really be needing to deal with.

If we do talk about sports betting then they cant really be able to throw about cheating or whatsoever issues correlated to it but if we do speak about those casino slots and other gaming
then it might be potentially be accused that you had been affected with some bugs on the machine that been used or card counting when you do deal up with some card games or whatsoever.
Its not really that new anymore and there's nothing you can do once they do make out such decision.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 30, 2023, 07:33:42 PM

If that was the casinos decision to ban Dana White on their premises, nothing Dana can do but just have fun on them. The casino can do that anytime in a professional way. Since Dana is now damaging the overall revenue of the casino, they decide to kicked him out. Maybe at first, the said casinos are happy that there's a big whale spending money on them but later on, Dana now become a big threat lol.

Lucky Dana. Even he's a whale, he still need that dn luck to win huge consistently.

I guess that’s the only way that certain casino can prevent their huge loss, through banning Dana White and make him out of the picture. I believe he’s an avid gambler ever since so I guess that surprised him that he can’t bet anymore and act like a big whale. But he’s still lucky that he managed to win millions of dollars on a single night a lot of times, so it’s not his loss anyway, and he also can’t blame the casino as well for banning him.

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Quote from: retreat on October 01, 2023, 01:59:09 PM

We think that what casinos do is unfair because everyone should be treated the same when entering a gambling place, but if we look at the casino business side we can understand that they do it for their business purposes. The presence of people who have a high win rate means that casino profits will decrease and that is quite dangerous for their business. So what the casinos do is quite reasonable considering that they are also businesses and need to make a profit.

Some less bank holding casino will do the mistake of making some big win to get huge number gambler into the game.But the fact is if anyone win the biggest winning,then they do the ban of the winner account.If the winning was made at the low value,both the gambler get money and the gambling site can run for the longer period.If the gambling site is good one,they will do the gambling winning which was afford by their holding.Then the gambling site won’t ban the winner gambling account at any point.

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 30, 2023, 10:25:27 AM

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

If you win constantly on a online gambling site, the site may put some restrictions on your account. But as long the gambling site have enough money, you will gamble at ease. People are generally loosing than winning on online casinos and this gives the gambling site advantage. But if a player is gambling and winning in a way he can bankrupt the gambling site, the same thing will happen, just like on land based casinos.

I guess it will be much more stricter when this happens online than on an offline casino. Since we are talking about a very high roller which is a president of UFC himself which we all know have a huge bankroll to bet with. Also, if this happens to an online gambling platform, the account may have been on hold and even a hold with account withdrawal but still it varies depending on how the platform will react to certain winnings streak for these kind of high rollers.

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I heard of such stories where the Casino goons escorted someone playing at the card table to their office to request him to stop playing and never return for winning too much. They do have some reasons but they suspect the guy is counting cards. Dana is not the first.

I doubt Dana has that serious skills. I guess he is just as lucky and not afraid to bluff and call because he has serious capital.

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 30, 2023, 10:25:27 AM

Actually this is nothing new for high roller or professional gambler, first the casino will limit the account, if he's keep winning and drain the casino's money, they will take the last step to ban the account.

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

I'm not saying the casino is bad or unethical for doing that, but they must do everything to make their business not going to bankrupt, right?

Well, since everyone has the same odds in probability games in gambling, there should be nobody winning constantly unless they are counting cards or something out of the ordinary. Such unexplained winning behavior obviously seem strange for the casino, and they protect their business by getting rid of the problem. In this case, they simply get rid of the gambler. For them this is problem solved. And they are within their right not to let you gamble. What they absolutely cannot do is take away your money without proof that it does not belong to you or that it is stolen/scammed.

Do I think that something like that should ever happen to any other kind of customer? No. But a casino that keeps banning the lucky winners along with the suspicious, constant-winners does not really care about maintaining long-term customer relations anyway.

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Quote from: asyakashi on October 01, 2023, 02:22:31 PM

I think it makes the bookie lose. but it would be great if there was a gambler who always won in his gambling. Well, if it were me, I would stop gambling because gambling is no longer challenging, in fact they are afraid of someone who always wins at their gambling. I would try new challenges if I were him.

The guy in this discussion is Dana White which is the president of UFC. He is playing gambling just for entertainment because he is facing many challenges on his business and personal life. I doubt he is challenging casino that’s why he gamble but rather he is just having fun and play accurately with his analysis skills.

He has good source of income for his bankroll that probably exceeds or almost close to the casino which is why he can manage to stay on profit side due to his skills and good bankroll amount to give him more room for recovery through his early losses.

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 30, 2023, 10:25:27 AM

Actually this is nothing new for high roller or professional gambler, first the casino will limit the account, if he's keep winning and drain the casino's money, they will take the last step to ban the account.

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

I'm not saying the casino is bad or unethical for doing that, but they must do everything to make their business not going to bankrupt, right?

Yes, and I think Dana can't contest that as it totally based on casinos on who they want to play in their floor. And who can't blame them is Dana continues to win big as he is a whale and betting huge amount in black jack as the video is all over the social media?

I don't think that the casinos are going to go bankrupt though, they just want to not lose money that's it. Dana is really a dog at every thing he does and very lucky as well. However, Dana can still continue to other casinos if I'm not mistaken and then continue his gambling activity.

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That's a common ground for most of the gamblers that could get stopped by the casino that they're playing with. Big wins are like a threat to them even if there's a chance that these gamblers could lose it eventually later on.

The problem that they can see is after winning, they are not going to back and will take the cash with them. And for that reason, they're out and even before those gamblers are out, they're making them out first.

It also varies when they're seeing the activity of those gamblers are not in line with how much they've won. If they're not that active and yet they're winning, that might be a red flag to them.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 30, 2023, 01:00:54 PM

This is the problem with big player playing on a small casinos, and having that winning streak can make the casino bankrupt and that is why they have to make a precautionary action and their last resort is to ban you on their casinos and that’s reasonable as long as the casino did’t hold your funds and lets you withdraw it. I think the casino can have the power to do this in order to protect their business, but of course you should be able to get your money in full.

That is why it is wrong for whales that are the big players to play in small casinos,they risk their money as the casino cannot pay them,the small one will buy time by putting the withdraw at pending and hoping that the whale will continue to play.It is always advisable to play in big casinos as there are a lot of people playing there almost all the time and when a lot of people play the chances to win it big are higher than when playing when only few people are playing in the small casinos,I personally never play in small casinos and I love only playing in the bigger ones.

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I think it makes the bookie lose. but it would be great if there was a gambler who always won in his gambling. Well, if it were me, I would stop gambling because gambling is no longer challenging, in fact they are afraid of someone who always wins at their gambling. I would try new challenges if I were him.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 30, 2023, 10:12:51 AM

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.

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He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits. The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

I think in such a case as you have described, when casinos of that magnitude are involved, they can afford to ban players with big names because they are literally booked out regardless of whom they ban. If a casino here we know from Bitcointalk was provenly banning players who win a lot, it might have some impact on bitcointalk people to choose their casinos. But especially in Nevada the customer frequency is so high that nobody probably even knows about it. But what I think is odd is that they could just set account limits and rather sooner than later the player would probably become a losing player.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 30, 2023, 10:12:51 AM

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Dana White's consistent win is different from those gamblers who also consistently win.

Aside from the fact that he always wins, those wins are really huge amounts that in the long run, it can turn the table upside down against casinos. To solve that, the casino just put him on restrictions and did not allow him to play anymore on their casinos. What a plan lol.

As far as I know, as a popular personality, Dana White is always welcome to visit these casinos, but just not allowed to play.

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Quote from: alastantiger on September 30, 2023, 10:12:51 AM

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.

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He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits. The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

You do not know if the are cheating or not, especially with things like blackjack where it is just suspicion that somebody is engaged in card counting for example. Card counting is not illegal, but it will give an advantage to the player in a casino when every game has been engineered towards giving the house an edge. That article specifically says at the end, he is not banned from any of the casinos, but his buy in is most likely severely limited or he will be forced to play fixed amounts in certain games so he cannot use strategies that the casinos consider abusive. Casinos love high rollers, they are just as susceptible to the engineered odds as every other player but just pay out vastly bigger amounts when they lose.

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