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legendary
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banks are not pulling the rugs from under exchanges.
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I thought it cost like $1M for each state to get a money service business license, and that is just in the US.  Right?  Wrong?  You at least pretend to know something about it.
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if you cant afford to get the licences/insurance (FDIC) then maybe your not the right person to be looking after peoples investments

I don't have much interest in looking after other people's 'investments'.  OTOH, it seems like there are probably a fair number of talented people who could make a positive contribution to certain usability issues, but having them locked out by a banking/regulatory cartel because they don't have $50M excess funds kicking around is wrong.  It detracts from my ability to select value-adds for my investment by quashing them before they start.

It is also the case that I pay a fair amount of taxes without pitching to much of a bitch about it.  In addition to roads, I also want reasonable access to the legal system I pay for.  By locking out or forcing Bitcoin related businesses underground it becomes more cumbersome for me to leverage my legal system when I need to.  A side effect is that it opens up a huge market for criminal users who know that they have nothing to fear from law enforcement.

legendary
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How are bitpay and bitspend operating? They must need UK and Canadian bank accounts. Maybe they will be next.

bitpay have a secret way of how they convert the bitcoin into pounds. but i am hoping they are atleast following the regulations.

hero member
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How are bitpay and bitspend operating? They must need UK and Canadian bank accounts. Maybe they will be next.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
banks are not pulling the rugs from under exchanges.

exchanges dont even bother making rugs.. they just stand on the cold floor.

meaning they dont bother reading the regulations, getting authorised, keeping records or following any of the rules of handling fiat.

its like a majority of these exchanges are run by amateurs that have no previous experience in finance.

the community needs to up its game. its not difficult.

but being lazy by ignoring the laws and then blaming the regulators like its a total surprise is just reasons why i see the half assed attempts of making exchanges always fail.


I thought it cost like $1M for each state to get a money service business license, and that is just in the US.  Right?  Wrong?  You at least pretend to know something about it.

There is a balance of reason, and the cost of an MSB looks a bit more to me like something which is designed by those who already have their foot in the door to stifle competition rather than a legitimate expense required in keeping us safe from those 'evildoers'...or whatever the excuse for monitoring/managing the serfs happens to be at the moment.

if you cant afford to get the licences/insurance (FDIC) then maybe your not the right person to be looking after peoples investments
legendary
Activity: 4410
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good. banks tied to exchanges just make things traceable.

Want to buy BTC? sell a physical good to someone that has it. Want to sell btc? buy a physical good. Fuck the banks.

Just the way Fincen wants it. Use BTC for bartering essentially - don't mess around with fiat.

finally smart people yay. this is how bitcoin was envisioned.

if you want bitcoin.
you search "drop shipping" or "wholesalers" in google. find some products (legit of course) that will sell. and you start up a business / shop.

you price items in bitcoin. and as the orders come in you pay the dropshipper/wholesaler with your fiat and the products get delivered to your customers. while you keep the bitcoin.

if you have bitcoin but want fiat
you search out localbitcoins for someone that can trade you them or atleast meet you at the car fuel station to pay for your fuel and you pay them bitcoins. or at a grocery store to pay for your grocerys and you give them bitcoin.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Antifragile
I think as another mentioned we need exchanges to be a bit more professional and to follow the sometimes rules as closely as possible. In a sense some banks are protecting us from fraud but in a sinister way some banks are indeed probably trying to limit bitcoins effectiveness. I don't think it is any coincidence that England, a banking powerhouse, is trying to limit Bitcoin.

But, in the meantime for those exchanges without bank accounts (or with them), as I mentioned in another thread a very effective method (which is used at bitcoin.de + requires 2 factor Google authentication) is to just have account holders register their bank accounts and when coins are bought/sold they are frozen in an account until the money is transferred and received by the buyer. It is slower and not without pitfalls but it is also very very effective. It is a terrible setup if you want to daytrade as you can't, the coins are essentially frozen from 1 - 4 days or so (however long the transfer takes). You basically have 12 hours to mark your transfer as sent and then the receiver marks it as paid once the money is in their account.

So, a typical exchange looks like this. I buy bitcoins from a seller. But before I confirm it I make sure they have a good record (just like on Ebay, etc.). Likewise, the seller can make sure I have a good record before they sell to me. I check my email and send the money via an online transfer to the recipient, noting the transaction code in the online form. I have 12 hours to do this and then mark it as sent. The receiver can't use the bitcoins they sold me, they are frozen in "reserve". Once the money arrives and the seller marks it as such, the coins are tranferred into my account. Both a German transfer or EU Sepa transfer are accepted and FREE. (at least at many banks).

In this manner the banks are not dealing with bitcoin exchanges directly. Rather, sellers meet buyers. There is mostly low risk and the biggest problem is that the exchanges are just overwhelmed right now. I have had one person not transfer the money as the price dropped after I sold them and he chose to just get a bad star rating. (He will have to deal with the Karma of that.  Grin ) Bitcoin.de changed the wait time for sending payments from a then 24 hours to a now 12 hours. It would be nice if they change it to one hour but that would then mostly rule out paper transfers at banks and require things to be done almost exclusively online, which they probably are anyway.

Anyway, the banks can't stop person to person transfers. There is nothing in the transaction associated with an exchange and no mention of bitcoin, just a random code.

These "growing pains" are to be expected, really, does anyone expect a revolution in economics to take place without a struggle? The thing we have on our side is that currencies all over the world are collapsing as we speak. In the process (for years now actually) central banks are selling gold puts to artificially suppress the gold price so that people think things aren't too bad with paper money. They have also been "leasing" gold (actually selling it as it is never coming back) to make up the supply demand difference. Cypress actually has to sell like 400 million of their gold due to the "bail in" (theft), at now lower prices! That will probably follow suit in other countries... Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, Greece, etc. are on our side. The people are on our side for the most part. Those that aren't have just not yet been effected. As more banking crisis happen, the banks will have problems trying to control bitcoin, and letting it survive might actually help save their lives as there are going to be many unhappy people wanting at those criminals.

No more banks, no more wars...

It's About Sharing
newbie
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good. banks tied to exchanges just make things traceable.

Want to buy BTC? sell a physical good to someone that has it. Want to sell btc? buy a physical good. Fuck the banks.

good, but not everyone are miners, how can you sell something to a non miner if he can't get bitcoins?

You think the $1,000,000,000+ market cap is all just miners?
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1090
Learning the troll avoidance button :)
banks are not pulling the rugs from under exchanges.

exchanges dont even bother making rugs.. they just stand on the cold floor.

meaning they dont bother reading the regulations, getting authorised, keeping records or following any of the rules of handling fiat.

its like a majority of these exchanges are run by amateurs that have no previous experience in finance.

the community needs to up its game. its not difficult.

but being lazy by ignoring the laws and then blaming the regulators like its a total surprise is just reasons why i see the half assed attempts of making exchanges always fail.

+1000 couldn't have put it better.




True enough but laws tend to be behind when it comes to innovations Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
Adopt Bitcoin entirely and set up services like Bitspend to get round the problem, time for the movement to begin in earnest.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1090
Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Virtex is having a few problems same with Canadianbit with banks but their is still a market there
However it will be a battle for sure
Banks are trying to defend a banking monopoly and an upstart like Bitcoin that has growing traction is a big banks worst fear
Since it is undefined in the Bank Act in Canada regarding finance I would say a schedule IV would need to be added
Since its not really a schedule II or III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Act_(Canada)
Monetary policy will not be the same if they can't print more money to get out of short term problems and ignore long term ones Smiley
Also this strengthens international trade without having sovereign debt loads in case of economic collapses so no fractional reserve banking and EU style crisis perhaps a Japan style deflationary bubble is still possible but with Japan's debt the debt is mostly owned by Japanese and is domestic so their is no sovereign debt crisis like Greece in the EU, this keeps nations accountable to their money supply and that's why banks are afraid of it as less money is to be had from trading.
sr. member
Activity: 298
Merit: 250
banks are not pulling the rugs from under exchanges.

exchanges dont even bother making rugs.. they just stand on the cold floor.

meaning they dont bother reading the regulations, getting authorised, keeping records or following any of the rules of handling fiat.

its like a majority of these exchanges are run by amateurs that have no previous experience in finance.

the community needs to up its game. its not difficult.

but being lazy by ignoring the laws and then blaming the regulators like its a total surprise is just reasons why i see the half assed attempts of making exchanges always fail.

+1000 couldn't have put it better.


sr. member
Activity: 298
Merit: 250

Anyone know David Rothschild?  If the Rothschilds get interested, they can call off the attack dogs.  After all, they founded the whole concept of a medium of exchange with no intrinsic value.

Can't tell if serious..
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Clearly not. People who quote Rothschilds as bring people of influence are digging it out of a manual of financial paranoia or a history book. The Rothschilds (I've met a few) were a family of huge influence in the past centuries, but like most of the 'old families' have little influence in todays financial world. Global finance is dominated by large global firms and they are almost all exclusively run by random professionals with no historic ties to the 'families' and who get shifted about with regularity. The most 'controlled' global firm is Santander from Spain, which is the largest bank in Europe and has been controlled by the Botin family for decades.
hero member
Activity: 873
Merit: 1007
good. banks tied to exchanges just make things traceable.

Want to buy BTC? sell a physical good to someone that has it. Want to sell btc? buy a physical good. Fuck the banks.

Just the way Fincen wants it. Use BTC for bartering essentially - don't mess around with fiat.
hero member
Activity: 614
Merit: 500

Anyone know David Rothschild?  If the Rothschilds get interested, they can call off the attack dogs.  After all, they founded the whole concept of a medium of exchange with no intrinsic value.

Can't tell if serious..
newbie
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Anyone know David Rothschild?  If the Rothschilds get interested, they can call off the attack dogs.  After all, they founded the whole concept of a medium of exchange with no intrinsic value.
member
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Merit: 10
good. banks tied to exchanges just make things traceable.

Want to buy BTC? sell a physical good to someone that has it. Want to sell btc? buy a physical good. Fuck the banks.

good, but not everyone are miners, how can you sell something to a non miner if he can't get bitcoins?
member
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Merit: 10
good. banks tied to exchanges just make things traceable.

Want to buy BTC? sell a physical good to someone that has it. Want to sell btc? buy a physical good. Fuck the banks.
sr. member
Activity: 322
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Expected.  Just the begining.  Did you really think they were going to go down without a fight?

Wow, you really think they'll go down, period?
Just an expression.  Just an expression.

OK.  Because I was going to fold up some tin foil hats... lol
hero member
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No Maps for These Territories
I expected resistance, although I didn't think banks could refuse bank accounts in this way.
It's one of the reasons we need a system such as BTC in the first place.
sr. member
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Expected.  Just the begining.  Did you really think they were going to go down without a fight?

Wow, you really think they'll go down, period?
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