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Quote from: 01BTC10 on October 21, 2012, 06:18:12 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

Quote from: Akka on October 20, 2012, 06:49:56 AM

Sure, I absolutely believe this is a serious offer. Roll Eyes

But just for the fun of it:

Proof of Identity?

Proof of existence of the company?

Official statement of the company?

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 08:38:04 AM

No proof of company. Never said anything about a registered company. It says "group of traders"
But I guess it will be a company in about same manners as most other companies in bitcoin world.

You will have a statement ready on Monday when we start accepting deposits or I would want to call it a contract..
I am setting this up now so those who are interested will have a chance to contribute to making a safe contract for all parties.

Proof of identity? Sure I could do it, but I guess I am risking to get in trouble with some government officials the same way like pirateat40 and GLBSE.. So I am not sure how to solve this problem. Should I also ask proof of identity from my customers?

In which way does it not sound serious to you?? Please tell me what you are wondering about and I will try to answer.

Hahahaha nice compilation 01BTC10 Grin

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Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 05:45:20 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

Seriously?

Ok, I'll ask again. Why aren't you doing this yourself??? Making the money and converting it to bitcoins to move out of the country?

Why are you offering to give so much of your own money to this community? Out of the goodness of your heart?

That is what I am trying to explain in post #39. but maybe I misunderstood your question before. Anyways, I am doing already, but now while expanding also changing transfer method to bitcoin. I could make the money myself slower, but this will give a kick into right direction so we can get our goods for better prices and keep everything going without breaks. So instead of working for some time to build decent amount of money this will be a shortcut to be able to work on the level we want to.

4,5% interest seems like a fair deal deal to me on a bond of this kind, and much easier to find investors.
The 7% level is more expensive, but it would be less work also. If everything goes smooth and fast then I think these costs are affordable. Because I loose quite a bit of money in "hawala" transfers or private loans for funding.
I don't think I would be interested of investing in this kind of project for lower return then that. That's why.

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

Quote from: Akka on October 20, 2012, 06:49:56 AM

Sure, I absolutely believe this is a serious offer. Roll Eyes

But just for the fun of it:

Proof of Identity?

Proof of existence of the company?

Official statement of the company?

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 08:38:04 AM

No proof of company. Never said anything about a registered company. It says "group of traders"
But I guess it will be a company in about same manners as most other companies in bitcoin world.

You will have a statement ready on Monday when we start accepting deposits or I would want to call it a contract..
I am setting this up now so those who are interested will have a chance to contribute to making a safe contract for all parties.

Proof of identity? Sure I could do it, but I guess I am risking to get in trouble with some government officials the same way like pirateat40 and GLBSE.. So I am not sure how to solve this problem. Should I also ask proof of identity from my customers?

In which way does it not sound serious to you?? Please tell me what you are wondering about and I will try to answer.

wirmola

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

You directly asked for it with each item in the OP

I was wishing for valid questions, not for accusations.
The people I am answering to don't really seem to care about the questions or my answers. In the next post I am just a scammer anyway.. :/

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

Seriously?

Ok, I'll ask again. Why aren't you doing this yourself??? Making the money and converting it to bitcoins to move out of the country?

Why are you offering to give so much of your own money to this community? Out of the goodness of your heart?

wirmola

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It's quite amusing to see all you ponzi/scam accusers having this laughable campaign against me.
Even though I am giving answers to your questions and doubts and you don't really have anything to come and argue with, still you guys come and whine on me..

wirmola

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Quote from: Korbman on October 21, 2012, 04:47:15 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 02:04:47 PM

I see you have your own investment project going on, afraid of competition or what?
What is true? what evidence do I have to show you? Who are you to judge anyone here or anywhere else?

BWAHAHA there's no competition here. I'm running a Mining Fund, you're running a Ponzi Tongue

My friend, there are a number of differences between what you're trying to do and what I am doing.
Just to name a few....
1. I own an actual company.
2. My information is out there for people to contact me, and I am not afraid to be known.
3. My business plan is incredibly well established, and previous, similar funds have been run quite successfully under the same model.
4. I have created formal contracts for my fund, legally binding my company (and me) with my investors.
5. My rate of return is realistic, because it's based on my own financial analysis, incorporating ASIC device predictions, future network hash rate and difficulty predictions.

Oh, and I see from all of your previous posts that you're a big fan of ponzi schemes Tongue

So if no competition then I understand even less why you are polluting my thread with baseless accusations and and unrelated BS, like your company.
" My business plan is incredibly well established" LOL... "My rate of return is realistic, because it's based on my own financial analysis" LOL...your own analysis

cmon..

Yes I invested in that ponzi before and happened to make some money from it... What is the problem? I have also invested money in passthroughs before, that time I lost.

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What you are trying to do is gain people's trust, accumulate a large amount of bitcoins, and then disappear.

Just calling it what it is. Wink

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Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 04:41:09 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 04:33:37 PM

By using bitcoins for (most) money transfers will lower our costs. because we are now using expensive underground "hawala" transfer system when countries like India, Vietnam and Burma are involved.. very difficult to transfer money from these countries. :/

Sorry, but you are not going to be lowering costs by 240% - 480% (your new numbers). Your story doesn't make any sense, and the fact you don't know your own numbers is scary as hell. Make the money yourself, then transfer it to bitcoins to move it out.

If you've been making those returns for a long time, you certainly have the money to do this yourself. You want us to believe you are some sort of godly saint that is giving this community a chance to become rich at your expense just because.

You and dank will probably become life long karma friends.

LOL, obviously I am not going to be able to lower my costs with with that much from money transfers, but it will make a significant difference in both speed and economy.
LOL, The numbers I gave you was a quick estimation, in which way could you give a more accurate estimation when you don't know how many operations, or quantities or exact products. Would be hell of a lot scarier if I gave you exact estimations at this point..

Read the thread again if you need, I am no saint. I am trying to expand my business and implement bitcoin in to it. If I can make this to work out then we are all able to make some proper money from it.

I don't know Dank but I am sure we will not be karma friends.

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 02:04:47 PM

I see you have your own investment project going on, afraid of competition or what?
What is true? what evidence do I have to show you? Who are you to judge anyone here or anywhere else?

BWAHAHA there's no competition here. I'm running a Mining Fund, you're running a Ponzi Tongue

My friend, there are a number of differences between what you're trying to do and what I am doing.
Just to name a few....
1. I own an actual company.
2. My information is out there for people to contact me, and I am not afraid to be known.
3. My business plan is incredibly well established, and previous, similar funds have been run quite successfully under the same model.
4. I have created formal contracts for my fund, legally binding my company (and me) with my investors.
5. My rate of return is realistic, because it's based on my own financial analysis, incorporating ASIC device predictions, future network hash rate and difficulty predictions.

Oh, and I see from all of your previous posts that you're a big fan of ponzi schemes Tongue

Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 04:41:09 PM

If you've been making those returns for a long time, you certainly have the money to do this yourself. You want us to believe you are some sort of godly saint that is giving this community a chance to become rich at your expense just because.

You and dank will probably become life long karma friends.

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 04:33:37 PM

By using bitcoins for (most) money transfers will lower our costs. because we are now using expensive underground "hawala" transfer system when countries like India, Vietnam and Burma are involved.. very difficult to transfer money from these countries. :/

Sorry, but you are not going to be lowering costs by 240% - 480% (your new numbers). Your story doesn't make any sense, and the fact you don't know your own numbers is scary as hell. Make the money yourself, then transfer it to bitcoins to move it out.

If you've been making those returns for a long time, you certainly have the money to do this yourself. You want us to believe you are some sort of godly saint that is giving this community a chance to become rich at your expense just because.

You and dank will probably become life long karma friends.

BitcoinINV

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Pablo Escobar had the same problem. But he over came it, i'm sure you will too.

wirmola

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Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 03:49:00 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 02:15:38 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 08:44:20 AM

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 03:05:30 PM

Naah, not like this my friend. I will not allow too much deposits, I can not handle too much BTC volume and I am definitely not willing to pay dividends for bitcoins which are not in use, that would obv become too expensive. So a more realistic scenario is that you make a deposit, and I will not let you deposit more until the current operation is finished and the new op is starting. this way your annual interest will be max 364% if you would not re deposit in between the ops. And I can tell you 364% is not a biggie in this business. Each one of my main products gives me more profit then this already..

So you are limiting early deposits? That's another sign of a ponzi my friend (#8). You have quite a few of them.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-identify-a-ponzi-100696

And a decent explanation to it..
Would be worse to accept too much funds when I know there's limits of what I can handle.. :/

Ok, let's say your max payout is 364% per year like you claim.

You borrow $1000, do your thing, and return $4,640 to the lender.
Why wouldn't you just invest $1000 of your own money, and not give away $3,640?

Let's say you get 10 people stupid enough to "invest" in you - that's 5,000BTC or approx $50,000
You are now paying out $182,000 that you wouldn't otherwise have to.

You want us to believe that you have the ability to make that kind of return, but you haven't done so yet on your own because......

..........?

We are planning to make at least 4-6 operations per year, which would mean the return back would be 60-80% for each project when completed for the investors. (correct me if I'm wrong here with my math)

By using bitcoins for (most) money transfers will lower our costs. because we are now using expensive underground "hawala" transfer system when countries like India, Vietnam and Burma are involved.. very difficult to transfer money from these countries. :/

I have been making this return for a long time, but I have only been doing it in smaller quantities and once or twice a year. But these are the money I have been living from most of the time. We want to make something bigger and more professional now.

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 02:15:38 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 08:44:20 AM

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 03:05:30 PM

Naah, not like this my friend. I will not allow too much deposits, I can not handle too much BTC volume and I am definitely not willing to pay dividends for bitcoins which are not in use, that would obv become too expensive. So a more realistic scenario is that you make a deposit, and I will not let you deposit more until the current operation is finished and the new op is starting. this way your annual interest will be max 364% if you would not re deposit in between the ops. And I can tell you 364% is not a biggie in this business. Each one of my main products gives me more profit then this already..

So you are limiting early deposits? That's another sign of a ponzi my friend (#8). You have quite a few of them.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-identify-a-ponzi-100696

And a decent explanation to it..
Would be worse to accept too much funds when I know there's limits of what I can handle.. :/

Ok, let's say your max payout is 364% per year like you claim.

You borrow $1000, do your thing, and return $4,640 to the lender.
Why wouldn't you just invest $1000 of your own money, and not give away $3,640?

Let's say you get 10 people stupid enough to "invest" in you - that's 5,000BTC or approx $50,000
You are now paying out $182,000 that you wouldn't otherwise have to.

You want us to believe that you have the ability to make that kind of return, but you haven't done so yet on your own because......

..........?

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Not sure if serious or Trendon Shavers.

wirmola

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Quote from: Vod on October 21, 2012, 08:44:20 AM

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 03:05:30 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 20, 2012, 02:03:04 PM

Quote from: wirmola on October 20, 2012, 02:58:55 AM

For this we are paying you between 4,5% interest per week. If you deposit more then 100BTC we will give you 5,5%.. 500BTC and up and you will get the magic number 7%!!!!!!

986% to 3372% APR? Nah, couldn't be a ponzi.... Grin

Naah, not like this my friend. I will not allow too much deposits, I can not handle too much BTC volume and I am definitely not willing to pay dividends for bitcoins which are not in use, that would obv become too expensive. So a more realistic scenario is that you make a deposit, and I will not let you deposit more until the current operation is finished and the new op is starting. this way your annual interest will be max 364% if you would not re deposit in between the ops. And I can tell you 364% is not a biggie in this business. Each one of my main products gives me more profit then this already..

So you are limiting early deposits? That's another sign of a ponzi my friend (#8). You have quite a few of them.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-identify-a-ponzi-100696

And a decent explanation to it..
Would be worse to accept too much funds when I know there's limits of what I can handle.. :/

wirmola

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Quote from: DoomDumas on October 20, 2012, 10:23:28 PM

How can someone gives BTC to this ? Must be really disoriented or wishing to lose wealth ! Cannot figure out why peoples are still getting trap in SO OBVIOUS Ponzi !

Unbelivable.

Anyone are willing to bet on BetsOfBitco.in for the date it will default ?? PM me, I'll bet !

are you trying to promote a betting site in my thread? a bit ugly :/

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Quote from: Korbman on October 21, 2012, 10:28:21 AM

Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 01:05:48 AM

PLEASE do not pollute this thread with your conspiracy theories.. Open up a new thread in scam accusations if you need to.

The Scam Accusation forum is where we accuse people after their scam. The securities thread is where we warn people not to invest in you.

And it's not a conspiracy when it's true...because you haven't shown any evidence to the contrary.

I see you have your own investment project going on, afraid of competition or what?
What is true? what evidence do I have to show you? Who are you to judge anyone here or anywhere else?

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Walks like a duck? Talks like a duck? Has go to be a golden goose! There is some bitcion philosophy for you lol

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Quote from: wirmola on October 21, 2012, 01:05:48 AM

PLEASE do not pollute this thread with your conspiracy theories.. Open up a new thread in scam accusations if you need to.

The Scam Accusation forum is where we accuse people after their scam. The securities thread is where we warn people not to invest in you.

And it's not a conspiracy when it's true...because you haven't shown any evidence to the contrary.

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