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Topic: BATA BTA ◈ OLD THREAD - NOW @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2297895.0 - page 65. (Read 283733 times)

legendary
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https://bata.io
thanks for your reply

to clarify, when you say

{"mapping has been done to ensure we will have a total number of coins"}

do you mean that the five million maximum will NOT CHANGE? or are you saying that the max cap will change?

please explain what you mean

I suggest that the max cap NOT CHANGE - after a cap is reached, I think the mining (whether it is POW  or POS or POW/POS hybrid) should be sustained by transaction fees and other fees but never by changing the cap AFTER a specified maximum cap was stated.

It is OK to have an unlimited supply coin as long as that was the stated policy from the start

But if the initial policy was a maximum cap of a specific amount, then it should remain fixed at that exact specific amount - the software can change but the max cap should never change after it has been advertised - - - just think about the mess if bitcoin decided "now we change software and the maximum bitcoins to be issued is 100 million" that would destroy the very idea of value by fixed deterministic mathematically bounded supply...




The issue would be if we reached 5 million coins, the blockchain would stop. We are at 4,889,260 BTA

I have always stated when questioned about the 5 million total, that if or when the time comes we will look at a solution as a community.

We as a community have had much discussion regarding the matter. 

Discussion regarding the rate of what rewards should be and how it would affect the overall growth of BTA.

Yes, is the short answer, the amount will change, but the number of users will multiply due to proof of stake not requiring special equipment, so the network will grow  therefore the mapping was done to ensure that we can maintain a reward and network growth.

We are looking at long term. The value of $BTA has been in the network, this will not change, but the added value will be the Barter System, where $BTA will replace the trade dollar.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 0
thanks for your reply

to clarify, when you say

{"mapping has been done to ensure we will have a total number of coins"}

do you mean that the five million maximum will NOT CHANGE? or are you saying that the max cap will change?

please explain what you mean

I suggest that the max cap NOT CHANGE - after a cap is reached, I think the mining (whether it is POW  or POS or POW/POS hybrid) should be sustained by transaction fees and other fees but never by changing the cap AFTER a specified maximum cap was stated.

It is OK to have an unlimited supply coin as long as that was the stated policy from the start

But if the initial policy was a maximum cap of a specific amount, then it should remain fixed at that exact specific amount - the software can change but the max cap should never change after it has been advertised - - - just think about the mess if bitcoin decided "now we change software and the maximum bitcoins to be issued is 100 million" that would destroy the very idea of value by fixed deterministic mathematically bounded supply...

legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
A key value proposition to some of the most successful cryptos is the concept of a guaranteed limited supply (bitcoin - only 21 million will ever  be created; similarly hard caps for NXT XRP, LTC MAID, SCJX and others...)

I would VERY strongly urge reconsideration of going to a POS system if that means the hard cap of ONLY 5,000,000 (five million coins) is lifted; low inflation is NOT a consideration - I want precisely ZERO inflation with respect to a maximum number of units that will ever exist

Instead i would focus on imposing some sort of transaction fee minimum or some other method.

I am working on supporting a group of coins and for that purpose I am only interested in coins with a hard cap... the reason I got some BTA in the first place was due to the 5 million hard cap - that goes away, and so does my interest in the coin...

If you can come up with a way to do POS WHERE THE MAX COINS THAT CAN EVER EXIST AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME REMAINS AT 5,000,000 then I am OK witht he concept of transitioning to POS

(just my two-cents for what its worth)

Thanks for your feedback. Your point is valid and correct.

Just to recap, it's POW / POS hybrid and yes mapping has been done to ensure we will have a total number of coins, which fits in with the POS / POW model.
This figures have been worked out and all will be revealed when before the switch. We are ensuring that everything works before it is released.

All details will be updated across all forms of communication available to $BTA.

We are nearing the 5 million Cap already, which would effectively shut down Bata's blockchain and future.

I have taken note of other coins and what happens with pure pos.

$BTA had a long pure POW period and it would only be fair to any newcomers and holders of $BTA that future ensures the same kind of returns, more details are provided previously about this in this forum.

After POW / POS is introduced, then we will see the Decentralized Barter System released and $BTA will then become a key component to replacing a "Trade Dollar", with a currency that is fully tradeable for many other cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin. $BTA can be used to leverage opportunity that a traditional Barter system cannot.
newbie
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Merit: 0
A key value proposition to some of the most successful cryptos is the concept of a guaranteed limited supply (bitcoin - only 21 million will ever  be created; similarly hard caps for NXT XRP, LTC MAID, SCJX and others...)

I would VERY strongly urge reconsideration of going to a POS system if that means the hard cap of ONLY 5,000,000 (five million coins) is lifted; low inflation is NOT a consideration - I want precisely ZERO inflation with respect to a maximum number of units that will ever exist

Instead i would focus on imposing some sort of transaction fee minimum or some other method.

I am working on supporting a group of coins and for that purpose I am only interested in coins with a hard cap... the reason I got some BTA in the first place was due to the 5 million hard cap - that goes away, and so does my interest in the coin...

If you can come up with a way to do POS WHERE THE MAX COINS THAT CAN EVER EXIST AT ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME REMAINS AT 5,000,000 then I am OK witht he concept of transitioning to POS

(just my two-cents for what its worth)
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io


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Hi thanks for reaching out.

Looks like an interesting project, but my concern who be creating "fake worth", what mechanism do you have to combat that?

Are people holding for a long term investment of the particular coin, is it just pumped to be converted to BTC?

I had a quick look, but wanted to know more.

sr. member
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Dear BATA Investors-Developers

We would love to announce that your coin has been added to PumpMyCoin community public Votes.
you can participate in this vote on www.pumpmycoin.com to nominate your coin for the next PUMP.


sincerely
PumpMyCoin Team
We Pump But Never Dump


legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
when can you expect to finalise barter?

All I can say it that development team should be testing the platform during the holidays. Timelines are for full time, funded developers - we are making progress.




you are not alone in the team?

He is a member of the development crew. He is voice of the company, their comrade and a good friend of mine. If ICO gets derailed he will be taking bullets and shouldering all the responsibility for mistakes of his ancestors.

which IPO are you referring to sulfurtank?
hero member
Activity: 592
Merit: 500
when can you expect to finalise barter?

All I can say it that development team should be testing the platform during the holidays. Timelines are for full time, funded developers - we are making progress.




you are not alone in the team?

He is a member of the development crew. He is voice of the company, their comrade and a good friend of mine. If ICO gets derailed he will be taking bullets and shouldering all the responsibility for mistakes of his ancestors.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
I will make a quick note to add to the latest developments.  

Some of the code that I have implemented in the transition to PoW & PoS for BATA was tested in another coin upgrade.  I experienced some issues in the update and I am using this as a learning experience to avoid similar issues with the transition with BATA.

I need to solve the current issues with the other coin, and those improvements will be implemented in the BATA update also.

other coin is xmine?

Xmine is a coin that Midnight Miner recently has begun development on.
legendary
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I will make a quick note to add to the latest developments. 

Some of the code that I have implemented in the transition to PoW & PoS for BATA was tested in another coin upgrade.  I experienced some issues in the update and I am using this as a learning experience to avoid similar issues with the transition with BATA.

I need to solve the current issues with the other coin, and those improvements will be implemented in the BATA update also.

other coin is xmine?
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 500
We only want the FACTS!
I will make a quick note to add to the latest developments. 

Some of the code that I have implemented in the transition to PoW & PoS for BATA was tested in another coin upgrade.  I experienced some issues in the update and I am using this as a learning experience to avoid similar issues with the transition with BATA.

I need to solve the current issues with the other coin, and those improvements will be implemented in the BATA update also.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!

Thanks will update the forums and website soon Cheesy


Is there any forecast of the return of the POS?

Hi thanks for the question.

Just to clarify when have always been POW.

The implementation of POS & POW will be soon, some delays have been incurred due to the holiday season and the distractions & interactions.

We understand the urgency and will ensure that we will release a new type of POW / POS hybrid wallet.

Dev support has confirmed these details with me.

I personally also feel that a release during one of the largest Bitcoin rallies of recent, would not be benefit $BTA, or supporters.

Midnight miner may want to chime in to add anything further to this question.

Thanks again for your interest and question.

Thank you very much!

Your welcome.

One thing to add is that we can upgrade to the latest litecoin core, with all its developments at any time.
member
Activity: 107
Merit: 10
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!

Thanks will update the forums and website soon Cheesy


Is there any forecast of the return of the POS?

Hi thanks for the question.

Just to clarify when have always been POW.

The implementation of POS & POW will be soon, some delays have been incurred due to the holiday season and the distractions & interactions.

We understand the urgency and will ensure that we will release a new type of POW / POS hybrid wallet.

Dev support has confirmed these details with me.

I personally also feel that a release during one of the largest Bitcoin rallies of recent, would not be benefit $BTA, or supporters.

Midnight miner may want to chime in to add anything further to this question.

Thanks again for your interest and question.

Thank you very much!
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!

Thanks will update the forums and website soon Cheesy


Is there any forecast of the return of the POS?

Hi thanks for the question.

Just to clarify when have always been POW.

The implementation of POS & POW will be soon, some delays have been incurred due to the holiday season and the distractions & interactions.

We understand the urgency and will ensure that we will release a new type of POW / POS hybrid wallet.

Dev support has confirmed these details with me.

I personally also feel that a release during one of the largest Bitcoin rallies of recent, would not be benefit $BTA, or supporters.

Midnight miner may want to chime in to add anything further to this question.

Thanks again for your interest and question.
member
Activity: 107
Merit: 10
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!

Thanks will update the forums and website soon Cheesy


Is there any forecast of the return of the POS?
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!

Thanks will update the forums and website soon Cheesy
member
Activity: 120
Merit: 11
Bata has been added to the Hash Refinery multipool: http://pool.hashrefinery.com/site/gomining?algo=scrypt

Happy mining!
sr. member
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Merit: 250
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legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io


An example of a corporate model for Barter Trade. Bata (BTA) aims to replace a Trade Credit as per graphic with BTA, which is valued against Bitcoin. The Barter system is not owned by a company, but by peers, decentralising across the globe for local trade or international. The BTA Blockchain is secured by Proof of Work (POW), in addition we are adding Proof of Stake (POS), so that BTA is available to all, not just those with special hardware.
Leverage your stock, services & business relationships.

legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1000
https://bata.io
some progress with your platform?

Just waiting on an update from Dev support.

Keep tuned.
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