https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203127460-ClusterCoin-Doing-the-Right-Thing
Since the problem is solved now, may be OP should lock this thread.
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The following is Bittrex's announcement regarding to this incident.
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203127460-ClusterCoin-Doing-the-Right-Thing
Since the problem is solved now, may be OP should lock this thread.
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203127460-ClusterCoin-Doing-the-Right-Thing
Since the problem is solved now, may be OP should lock this thread.
This all link to Shimal H and Wulfcastle ie the same person, the Simpson id was the giveaway.
The same scammer is involved in Burstcoin and Crypti, you fools need to go there.
The same scammer is involved in Burstcoin and Crypti, you fools need to go there.
why u asking for scammers. scammers gonna scam. u cant find em.
TKS, we get a refund
BitcoinEXpress is showing himself what a rat he is
He ruthlessly attacked the Auroracoin dev and forked it based on his own OPINION it was a scam and now is playing the "oh we can't do this, this is unthinkable..." card.
He ruthlessly attacked the Auroracoin dev and forked it based on his own OPINION it was a scam and now is playing the "oh we can't do this, this is unthinkable..." card.
You're wasting your time. Get a warrant.
A warrant is useless. IP's are useless (https://www.torproject.org/).
But if POD have a low score bittrex will pay scamdev anyway? Bad to Bittrex
And in another way if POD have a high score and dev is a scam nobody will believe in Crypto Asian POD more... (Bad for POD)
And in another way if POD have a high score and dev is a scam nobody will believe in Crypto Asian POD more... (Bad for POD)
They claimed the terms are informal. And they were agreed to modify the terms to add POD must be done. Therefore, they can help us more like adding more strict terms to avoid a scam because they can talk with the scam dev. BTW, if it is a scam, bittrex will also take responsibilities because they host the ICO
Bittrex's responsibility is to uphold their terms and conditions of the ICO (Wallet, Blockchain and Blockexplorer) which have been met... that is all
If bittrex refund everyone after all the ICO terms are met then they are legally liable.
If it is a scam and bittrex send the devs the btc then they are NOT liable because the ICO terms that ALL parties agreed to have been met. YOU AGREED TO THESE TERMS WHEN YOU BOUGHT CLSTR
Really bad move on Bittrex part if they fail to execute the deal because buyers had a change of heart.
~BCX~ (totally correct)
It's called doing the right thing.
Snipped a lot of text trying to support position
That's just a matter of perspective and your own unproven fears.
Has anyone proven this is a scam?
It's not Bittrex's position to determine what is a scam and what is not.
~BCX~
That's just a matter of perspective too. Some would disagree with your view.
They are simply the escrow.
The escrow is there to ensure a service/product is delivered before the money is released to the provider. If Bittrex willingly release those funds knowing full well that the product/service won't be delivered then they have failed in their escrow duty. No?
Bittrex has to follow TO THE LETTER the terms of the escrow agreement.
They simply look at the agreement, then look at if that agreement was met.
IF the terms are met, they release the BTC to the dev
IF the terms are not met, they dont
IT IS THAT SIMPLE
I am so sick of people asking/expecting Bittrex to just break the agreement because this Cluster dev because it looks like he is a scammer.
Bittrex has a job to do. Their job is to follow the agreement TO THE LETTER.
I lost, or Im pretty sure that I'm going to lose a decent amount of BTC because of this.
But I would be and idiot if I expected Bittrex to commit a god damn felony and break the terms of the the agreement to save my ass.
ALL I had to do was look up the post history of the cluster coin dev and I would have known right then and there that it was a scam.
I DIDNT = I LOSE
It was my carelessness that caused me to lose my BTC. I don't even blame the damn dev, yeah hes an ass hole, but it was me who was lazy and I learned an expensive lesson on this one.
You people who are asking Bittrex to break the law to save your ass because you didn't do your due diligence are complete idiots.
They claimed the terms are informal. And they were agreed to modify the terms to add POD must be done. Therefore, they can help us more like adding more strict terms to avoid a scam because they can talk with the scam dev. BTW, if it is a scam, bittrex will also take responsibilities because they host the ICO
Really bad move on Bittrex part if they fail to execute the deal because buyers had a change of heart.
~BCX~ (totally correct)
It's called doing the right thing.
Snipped a lot of text trying to support position
That's just a matter of perspective and your own unproven fears.
Has anyone proven this is a scam?
It's not Bittrex's position to determine what is a scam and what is not.
~BCX~
That's just a matter of perspective too. Some would disagree with your view.
They are simply the escrow.
The escrow is there to ensure a service/product is delivered before the money is released to the provider. If Bittrex willingly release those funds knowing full well that the product/service won't be delivered then they have failed in their escrow duty. No?
Bittrex has to follow TO THE LETTER the terms of the escrow agreement.
They simply look at the agreement, then look at if that agreement was met.
IF the terms are met, they release the BTC to the dev
IF the terms are not met, they dont
IT IS THAT SIMPLE
I am so sick of people asking/expecting Bittrex to just break the agreement because this Cluster dev because it looks like he is a scammer.
Bittrex has a job to do. Their job is to follow the agreement TO THE LETTER.
I lost, or Im pretty sure that I'm going to lose a decent amount of BTC because of this.
But I would be and idiot if I expected Bittrex to commit a god damn felony and break the terms of the the agreement to save my ass.
ALL I had to do was look up the post history of the cluster coin dev and I would have known right then and there that it was a scam.
I DIDNT = I LOSE
It was my carelessness that caused me to lose my BTC. I don't even blame the damn dev, yeah hes an ass hole, but it was me who was lazy and I learned an expensive lesson on this one.
You people who are asking Bittrex to break the law to save your ass because you didn't do your due diligence are complete idiots.
Really bad move on Bittrex part if they fail to execute the deal because buyers had a change of heart.
~BCX~
It's called doing the right thing.
Snipped a lot of text trying to support position
That's just a matter of perspective and your own unproven fears.
Has anyone proven this is a scam?
It's not Bittrex's position to determine what is a scam and what is not.
~BCX~
That's just a matter of perspective too. Some would disagree with your view.
They are simply the escrow.
The escrow is there to ensure a service/product is delivered before the money is released to the provider. If Bittrex willingly release those funds knowing full well that the product/service won't be delivered then they have failed in their escrow duty. No?
Not real sure whats going on here and not sure whats a IPO coin? These are the coins you have to buy upfront correct? If so does anybody remember getting physical letters in the mail saying if you send me $1 then once 25 people also send me $1 I will send $2?
So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me....
So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me....I think it all started after the ICO. People noticed the strange evidence and started selling. *correct me if i'm wrong.
This guy keeps deleting every single post even when I asked for an update several times he just deletes the post:
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Enough deleting posts and show some github updates since there are none.
4 developers working a project should easily provide some work in progress which until this point didn't.
Prove us wrong and show some work so all the fud goes away.
Thanks.
4 developers working a project should easily provide some work in progress which until this point didn't.
Prove us wrong and show some work so all the fud goes away.
Thanks.
This stinks of scam.
yes, but bittrex still doesn't admit these. bittrex is afraid being sue, although they did informal agreement.
Not real sure whats going on here and not sure whats a IPO coin? These are the coins you have to buy upfront correct? If so does anybody remember getting physical letters in the mail saying if you send me $1 then once 25 people also send me $1 I will send $2? So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me....
So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me....I think it all started after the ICO. People noticed the strange evidence and started selling. *correct me if i'm wrong.
This guy keeps deleting every single post even when I asked for an update several times he just deletes the post:
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You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.
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Enough deleting posts and show some github updates since there are none.
4 developers working a project should easily provide some work in progress which until this point didn't.
Prove us wrong and show some work so all the fud goes away.
Thanks.
4 developers working a project should easily provide some work in progress which until this point didn't.
Prove us wrong and show some work so all the fud goes away.
Thanks.
This stinks of scam.
Not real sure whats going on here and not sure whats a IPO coin? These are the coins you have to buy upfront correct? If so does anybody remember getting physical letters in the mail saying if you send me $1 then once 25 people also send me $1 I will send $2? So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me....
So if im thinking along the correct lines people bought in these coins, now their worth crap and the escrow is giving all the money to some dev? Enlighten me.... That's just a matter of perspective and your own unproven fears.
Has anyone proven this is a scam?
It's not Bittrex's position to determine what is a scam and what is not.
They are simply the escrow.
~BCX~
It is a very interesting situation bitterex is in, and the community I see. People praising anonymous unregulated decentralized currency, but when they gamble and think they got scammed some members have been expecting and demanding regulation, accountability, and personal information. I think some precedents might be set here. If I was bitterex admin I would have demanded way more from dev to protect myself. Very risky escrow/investment type thing this ICO
Let me get this straight,
**all three accounts were created in the same week:
**all three stopped posting at the same week (two of them at the same day and time):
ShameOnYou
Essex343
HarryT1923
**all three shared the same IP at some point. - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8516705
**all three posted in the same threads many times.
Clearly those accounts somehow connected (either those are 2/3 or more users or even one user) and they are NOT typical user accounts
All three released some coin lately while 2 of them turned out to be scam (right?)
If that info alone isn't enough to raise a red flag for Cluster (their biggest profit?) then please, release the funds of 350BTC to Essex343 and get it over with.
**all three accounts were created in the same week:
**all three stopped posting at the same week (two of them at the same day and time):
ShameOnYou
Essex343
HarryT1923
**all three shared the same IP at some point. - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8516705
**all three posted in the same threads many times.
Clearly those accounts somehow connected (either those are 2/3 or more users or even one user) and they are NOT typical user accounts
All three released some coin lately while 2 of them turned out to be scam (right?)
If that info alone isn't enough to raise a red flag for Cluster (their biggest profit?) then please, release the funds of 350BTC to Essex343 and get it over with.
I was looking at Cluster Coin before ICO and I looked through Essex's posts starting from his first post
way back in the start when he first registered. The things he posted and where and what
he wrote made zero sense in relation to the coin ICO postings. I mean seriously go look right now...
What I am saying is I did my research and knew it was likely a very poor idea to buy that coin
and I didn't buy it based on what I learned from simply spending 10 minutes going through his post
history and trying to match anything from his older posts to his ICO posts.
His account was likely purchased. It's not certain but likely.
It sure appears that way to me at least.
Just my two satoshi.
I do this every day ---- Research.
A little will go a long way.
way back in the start when he first registered. The things he posted and where and what
he wrote made zero sense in relation to the coin ICO postings. I mean seriously go look right now...
What I am saying is I did my research and knew it was likely a very poor idea to buy that coin
and I didn't buy it based on what I learned from simply spending 10 minutes going through his post
history and trying to match anything from his older posts to his ICO posts.
His account was likely purchased. It's not certain but likely.
It sure appears that way to me at least.
Just my two satoshi.
I do this every day ---- Research.
A little will go a long way.
i think any dev making outright lies needs to be outed at the least.
crypto is not some elite liberal paradise where you can go around fucking people over for personal benefit.
ha.
I recall a while back an upstanding NXT member getting robbed and ended up outing the completely wrong dude for the theft.
All I'm saying is Bittrex should be very careful and think through what they give out.
That being said you can have two views (mostly dependant on if you got burned or not):
1) traders blame themselves <- my point of view, but then again I sold at a 10% loss.
2) bittrex refunds cluster ico (this should only be done if the product promised is not delivered regardless of what price it trades at - according to contract, else you kill your own crediblity as an escrow)
+1
I do believe that IF some substantial evidence is produced to bittrex clearly out lining that CLSTR is the same person as USE and it could be used to prevent legal action against bittrex then and ONLY THEN is it possible for bittrex to void the terms and conditions set out for the ICO.
At this point in time all agreements have been met and there is no substantial evidence to prove otherwise.
I'm glad to see bittrex acting to protect its users. Keep this good work Richie
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